30 Mar
2019
30 Mar
'19
11:33 a.m.
Hi All
Interesting session at the IOT Meetup in NY
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Learn more at mgc.co/join for more information . He mentioned NYC MESH
in his presentation
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
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289-830 6259
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30 Mar
30 Mar
2:44 p.m.
Reading https://magic.co/network/ I see a lot of confusion – with a lot of the same memes
I see recurring in these efforts.
I do understand the very positive intentions but it is missing the high order bit of the
Internet – the strict separation of best efforts transport of anonymous packets from what
we do with them. This confusion is endemic as people try to fit the new concepts into the
old paradigms as in assuming the value is in the parts (or microparts) rather than only
existing in the whole. It is counter-intuitive in the idea of liberating people by doing
less for them in the facilities we use (AKA, “the network” as a thing).
It has all the old telecom concepts like quality of service (whatever that means), the
idea you can negotiate and buy preference form a network operator. It also has the idea of
paying for data as if ones and zeros have intrinsic value. It also assumes a network as if
it were like a railroad rather than like sidewalks.
This ‘cast on the history of money (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nZkP2b-4vo) resonates
in the way we went from thinking of gold as a currency with intrinsic value to the idea of
money as something abstract. In the same way we need to move from thinking of data as
physical objects to a more abstract way of thinking.
Bob Frankston
<http://frankston.com/> http://Frankston.com
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Hi All
Interesting session at the IOT Meetup in NY
Learn more at mgc.co/join <http://mgc.co/join> for more information . He
mentioned NYC MESH in his presentation
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org <mailto:glenn.mcknight@ieee.org>
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
5:23 p.m.
El 2019-03-30 09:44, Bob Frankston escribió:
Reading https://magic.co/network/ I see a lot of
confusion – with a
lot of the same memes I see recurring in these efforts.
I do understand the very positive intentions but it is missing the
high order bit of the Internet – the strict separation of best
efforts transport of anonymous packets from what we do with them. This
confusion is endemic as people try to fit the new concepts into the
old paradigms as in assuming the value is in the parts (or microparts)
rather than only existing in the whole. It is counter-intuitive in the
idea of liberating people by doing less for them in the facilities we
use (AKA, “the network” as a thing).
It has all the old telecom concepts like quality of service (whatever
that means), the idea you can negotiate and buy preference form a
network operator. It also has the idea of paying for data as if ones
and zeros have intrinsic value. It also assumes a network as if it
were like a railroad rather than like sidewalks.
This ‘cast on the history of money
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nZkP2b-4vo) resonates in the way we
went from thinking of gold as a currency with intrinsic value to the
idea of money as something abstract. In the same way we need to move
from thinking of data as physical objects to a more abstract way of
thinking.
Bob Frankston
http://Frankston.com [1]
Thank you Bob for bringing the sense of wholeness to the networking
community. It is the same dilema I have with people thinking that having
a little nonlibre (nonfree as in slavery) software is as good using only
libre software. (Suddenly extremism is being firm on our rational
positions.) The idea is freedom. If one part is a monopoly, it makes the
whole a monopoly. Of course, the above ideas do not deny the value of
the free parts. But what are the parts without the whole?
6:57 p.m.
Sorry for the error. Below I correct my typo.
Thank you Bob for bringing the sense of wholeness to community
networking. It is the same dilemma I have with people thinking that
using a little nonlibre (nonfree as in slavery) software is almost as
good as using exclusively libre software. (Some people call it extremism
an attitude of being firm and integral on our rational positions. But it
is not extreme it is just a position like any other.)
The idea is freedom. If one part of the whole is a monopoly, it makes
the whole a monopoly. Of course, the above ideas do not deny the value
of the nonmonopolic parts. But what are the parts without the whole?
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