brunoI realize we're missing the US networks, specially Detroit and NYC mesh.I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got funding from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to the pad.On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol@zenzeleni.net> wrote:Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that already seem obvious (Guifi.net...).- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in Nico's last email)- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council members to oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an formal letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think the letter should be from the Chair.I say go for it.Sol2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>:I tend to think we are making an issue out of this, when it should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious" candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned Paul Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/02/2018 11:09 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for insisting on
> this topic.
>
> From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of previous
> efforts and not being clear to me which groups or individuals were
> somehow "responsible" for blocking the process.
>
> Very practically, I feel for example like asking people from Freifunk to
> join or even to ask why they are not already requested themselves to do
> so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate that I am not aware of.
>
> In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are soon no obvious
> CNs missing from the list of organizations or at least if I understand
> why this is so :-)
>
> But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start working first"
> having these issues cleared out for me (and perhaps for others) along
> the way.
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
>> Hi Panos and all,
>>
>> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I agree on
>> inclusion in general, so I do believe some work in reaching out is
>> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs that have
>> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that seem like very natural
>> participants and they should be integrated asap.
>>
>> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach out to CNs
>> that are perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has
>> not been considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't
>> only end up reaching to the organisations we all know, but research
>> further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming at
>> some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further
>> than the norm.
>>
>> This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
>> duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not duplicate we need
>> to understand what we are doing and what has been/ is being done by
>> others. For me one of the first tasks we need to do (perhaps within
>> the WGs) is to understand what prior work/efforts are valuable to our
>> work. This may lead in some cases to rather partner/ have regular
>> meetings with other groups or organisations than to integrate everyone
>> into this SIG.
>>
>> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs that are
>> "obvious" candidates which have requested to be part of the CNSIG.
>> Maybe a council member formally nominates them and the council has a
>> short period to approve or object. For further reaching out, I would
>> first aim to create a comprehensive list of CNs and groups that are
>> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs) to get a clear idea of
>> what there is/ who is out there and what our relationship would be
>> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>>
>> What do you think?
>> Sol
>>
>> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis@nethood.org
>> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>:
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue and
>> Nico
>> just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
>>
>> So, I am answering!
>>
>> From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to start
>> contacting and here is a pad to "add" to the list (together with a
>> very
>> draft invitation text):
>>
>> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
>> <https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out >
>>
>> Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I
>> could do
>> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and
>> would
>> do it only if asked.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Panos.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we had no
>> > time to address is the reach-out process and candidates selection.
>> >
>> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community
>> networks
>> > we would like to invite.
>> >
>> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I
>> believe
>> > it is important to try to keep some regional balance in the
>> group over time.
>> >
>> > There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this list
>> > with the communities we would like to reach out to. I'd suggest
>> that we
>> > also add some contact names for each organization.
>> >
>> > So, starting the list:
>> >
>> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
>> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André Gaul...)
>> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
>> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar,
>> ...)
>> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
>> > - ...
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> > NicoEchániz
>> >
>> >
>> >
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