2018-03-12 17:54 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>:

On 03/10/2018 05:56 PM, Nicholas Kourtzis wrote:
> I was thinking, I haven't seen B4RN mentioned much around the group.
> Wouldn't they also be a good candidate member?

So far, our Bylaws have adopted a very minimalistic definition of
Community Networks, which is the one ISOC has used in their documents:
"network infrastructures built, managed, and used by local communities."

I understand B4RN[1], as well as other operators like many in the
FFDN[2] are not Community Networks in the same sense; they are not built
and managed by the community, but by a non-profit entity which is not
governed by the community itself.

Maybe I'm understanding it wrong. I haven't had the chance to meet
people from B4RN so far. Maybe someone else can shed light on this case.

Cheers,
Nico

[1] https://b4rn.org.uk/about-us/
[2] https://www.ffdn.org/en/members-fdn-federation

> 2018-03-05 15:15 GMT+02:00 bruno vianna <bruno@pobox.com
> <mailto:bruno@pobox.com>>:
>
> I realize we're missing the US networks, specially Detroit and NYC mesh.
>
> I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
> funding from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to
> the pad.
>
> bruno
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol@zenzeleni.net
> <mailto:sol@zenzeleni.net>> wrote:
>
> Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that
> already seem obvious (Guifi.net...).
> - Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in
> Nico's last email)
> - Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council
> members to oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
> - If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an
> formal letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think
> the letter should be from the Chair.
>
> I say go for it.
> Sol
>
> 2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz
> <nicoechaniz@altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>:

>
> I tend to think we are making an issue out of this, when it
> should be
> simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
>
> We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer
> this info:
>
> Organization:
> Country:
>
> Description:
> (Brief description of the Organization's involvement in
> Community Networks)
>
> Areas of Interest:
> (Areas of interest related to community networks)
>
> Representatives (up to three):
> (name <email>)
>
>
> I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious"
> candidates, so we can
> move forward.
>
> I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from
> SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
> send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about
> joining.
>
>
> I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about
> the CNSIG but
> as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case
> regarding who is
> entitled to represent their organization.
>
> I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned
> Paul Fuxjaeger).
>
> I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider
> obvious...
>
> I would also make emphasis in not having an
> over-representation of
> Europe in the group or we risk losing the global
> perspective. We can
> make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in
> other regions
> to try to keep some balance in the group.
>
>
> Cheers,
> NicoEchániz
>
>
>
> On 03/02/2018 11:09 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for
> insisting on
> > this topic.
> >
> > From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of
> previous
> > efforts and not being clear to me which groups or
> individuals were
> > somehow "responsible" for blocking the process.
> >
> > Very practically, I feel for example like asking people
> from Freifunk to
> > join or even to ask why they are not already requested
> themselves to do
> > so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate that I
> am not aware of.
> >
> > In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are
> soon no obvious
> > CNs missing from the list of organizations or at least if
> I understand
> > why this is so :-)
> >
> > But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start
> working first"
> > having these issues cleared out for me (and perhaps for
> others) along
> > the way.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Panos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> >> Hi Panos and all,
> >>
> >> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I
> agree on
> >> inclusion in general, so I do believe some work in
> reaching out is
> >> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs
> that have
> >> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that seem like
> very natural
> >> participants and they should be integrated asap.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach
> out to CNs
> >> that are perhaps not represented in other groups and
> whose input has
> >> not been considered before. My point here I guess is that
> we don't
> >> only end up reaching to the organisations we all know,
> but research
> >> further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" -
> maybe aiming at
> >> some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to
> go further
> >> than the norm.
> >>
> >> This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
> >> duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not
> duplicate we need
> >> to understand what we are doing and what has been/ is
> being done by
> >> others. For me one of the first tasks we need to do
> (perhaps within
> >> the WGs) is to understand what prior work/efforts are
> valuable to our
> >> work. This may lead in some cases to rather partner/ have
> regular
> >> meetings with other groups or organisations than to
> integrate everyone
> >> into this SIG.
> >>
> >> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs
> that are
> >> "obvious" candidates which have requested to be part of
> the CNSIG.
> >> Maybe a council member formally nominates them and the
> council has a
> >> short period to approve or object. For further reaching
> out, I would
> >> first aim to create a comprehensive list of CNs and
> groups that are
> >> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs) to get a
> clear idea of
> >> what there is/ who is out there and what our relationship
> would be
> >> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >> Sol
> >>
> >> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis
> <panayotis@nethood.org <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>

> >> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org

> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>>:
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding
> this issue and
> >> Nico
> >> just reminded me that there were no answers to the
> e-mail :-)
> >>
> >> So, I am answering!
> >>
> >> From my side, the list started by Nico is already
> good enough to start
> >> contacting and here is a pad to "add" to the list
> (together with a
> >> very
> >> draft invitation text):
> >>
> >> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
> <https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
> >> <https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
> <https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>>
> >>
> >> Personally, I know people from the three first
> networks, and I
> >> could do
> >> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead
> on this and
> >> would
> >> do it only if asked.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Panos.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was
> raised but we had no
> >> > time to address is the reach-out process and
> candidates selection.
> >> >
> >> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of
> the community
> >> networks
> >> > we would like to invite.
> >> >
> >> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to
> be global, I
> >> believe
> >> > it is important to try to keep some regional
> balance in the
> >> group over time.
> >> >
> >> > There were two candidates previously mentioned.
> Let's grow this list
> >> > with the communities we would like to reach out to.
> I'd suggest
> >> that we
> >> > also add some contact names for each organization.
> >> >
> >> > So, starting the list:
> >> >

> >> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> <http://guifi.net>
> (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
> >> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André
> Gaul...)
> >> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
> >> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava,
> Osama Manzar,
> >> ...)
> >> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
> >> > - ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers!
> >> > NicoEchániz
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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