You're absolutely right, and it reflects the idea that the Internet is built and shaped in the image we create. So, physics notwithstanding, it's worth thinking of alternatives (which also may be better for communities, less resource intensive, more environmentally friendly, provide better service, and be less expensive). 

Good luck Bob, and I'm looking very forward to talking to you more in person at the next event.

-Michael

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Bob Frankston <Bob19-0501@bobf.frankston.com> wrote:

Thanks. It is a challenge to get people to think outside the idea of the Internet as something that flows through pipes. I appreciate any suggestions into how to better explain the concepts. I’m working on any essay now that positions the Internet as  byproduct of a fundamental conceptual shift (or, if you wish, paradigm)

 

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I really liked your post, Bob, specifically this line:

"We’re accustomed to thinking of networking as a service and networks as physical things like railroads with well-defined tracks. The Internet is more like the road system that emerges from the way we use any path available. We aren’t even confined to roads thanks to our ability to buy our own off-road vehicles. There is no physical network as such but rather disparate transports for raw packets which make no promises other than a best effort to transport packets."

 

Thanks for sharing!


Best,

-Michael

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Bob Frankston <Bob19-0501@bobf.frankston.com> wrote:

I’m active with the IEEE (board of governors of the consumer electronics society) but the organization is struggling to get past it’s hardware orientation. It is very difficult to get the traditional players to think of the Internet as anything but another telecommunications service. I failed with this IEEE initiative. You can get a sense of this in the enthusiasm for 5G (http://spectrum.ieee.org/video/telecom/wireless/everything-you-need-to-know-about-5g) vs what I wrote after CES (http://rmf.vc/5GATSC).

 

The Internet as a byproduct of software and as infrastructure is a very different framing. It would be good if the IMF could understand that and if you have suggestions for how to be heard I’m open to suggestions.

 

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HI Bob,

Historically the IEEE event is held one day before the Fall/spring World Bank/IMF meetings since the meetings are April 21-23 that leads me to think the IEEE meeting is on April 20, but best is to ask the IEEE.

It is also likely that the Fall meeting will be on October 12 since the Fall meetings are on October 13-15 2017

Best,

Judith

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On 2/17/2017 9:31 AM, dc3@bob.ma wrote:

April 20? I need to learn more ASAP because I was about to sign up for an event in California April 19-21st that has a deadline of today. But from my experience these events are set pieces rather than places to effect real change. And given the current policy climate …

I see some of the usual suspects on the list from last year – is it a good opportunity for effective hall conversations? It's really about the networking and conversations rather than the presentations. That's what made IGF so valuable – meeting the others on this list.

I have toyed with working with ISOC on organizing a workshop on connectivity as infrastructure but not sure if I can do any better. Having real deployments speaks a lot louder.

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Hi Michael,

This email was for last years event. The IEEE and the world bank hold this event twice a year timed with the fall and spring world bank/imf meetings. This year the meetings are April 20. I do not think the announcement is out yet about the April meeting. I will be attending. I have attended the two previous events

Best,

Judith

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On Feb 17, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Is anyone planning on attending this (including you Bob)? It might be a good networking/outreach activity:

IEEE, in conjunction with the World Bank, will be holding the Global Connect Stakeholders: Advancing Solutions event in Washington, DC, on 13-14 April


Best,

-Michael

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