Dear Steve,Thank you for your kind words.I took time to respond to your message as I was spending time on http://villagetelco.org . Watched the video on the front page, and it was fascinating to learn that mesh potato also doubles as some form of a local telecom intranet.Long before messenger, skype and whatsapp, sometime during 2000, a friend from Montreal told me that his telecom provider bundled wireless in his cellular telephone, and provided the ability for the subscribers to use the phone as a phone, and also as a wireless handset, with options (don't recollect if it was for the extended cellular range or for the limited wireless range, and not sure if the wireless range was different from the cellular range) for each subscriber to choose five other subscribers as an inner network, flip a button and talk to any of them, and the four others in turn had the ability to choose their own circle of five friends.Mesh potato enhances the value of the Community Networks by enabling local communications. When the Internet of Community Networks is bundled with LAN features, and even more, with close circle network features, the value of the Community Network surpasses that of commercial networks. Just a thought. ( I am also reading your hardware specifications with interest.)Sivasubramanian MOn Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 10:50 PM Steve Song <steve@villagetelco.org> wrote:Dear Siva,Thank you for taking the time to review and make such thoughtful commentary on the draft paper. We will certainly take your feedback into consideration in producing the final version.Regards... Steve (and Carlos)P.S. Love the parking lot analogy!On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 at 12:34, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Jane,Please receive the attached comments on the ISOC Spectrum Paper together with some unverified thoughts.Sivasubramanian MOn Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 2:13 AM Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet@gmail.com> wrote:On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 7:11 AM Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> wrote:Hi Siva –
Brian Hall from NYC Mesh is included in this thread. He can help explain NYCMesh.
I fully agree that different connectivity models need to be considered and would add that different policy/regulatory models also need to be considered. It is something we are keenly in favor of 😉
Links to some recent papers on Community Networks also are below and attached is a Spectrum Paper we are looking for feed-back on by 24 August.
midnight DC time?Thanks._______________________________________________Steve Song, Carlos Rey-Moreno, Mike Jensen are the primary authors with direction/collaboration with our team at the Internet Society. Please send me an email if you do have comments for us to consider.
Other Resources:
Case Study/Article re CN in Georgia: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/05/technology/caucuses-mountains-internet.html
African CN Paper – Partnership with Carlos Rey-Moreno: https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/CommunityNetworkingAfrica_report_May2017_1.pdf
India – CN Paper – Partnership with DEF: https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/W4C-Policy-Paper_Dec2017.pdf
Licensing Brief: https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Unleashing-Community-Networks_Innovative_Licensing_Approaches-2.pdf
Spectrum Approaches for CNs: https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Spectrum-Approaches-for-Community-Networks_20171010.pdf
The inputs to the IGF from this Coalition are really great and Luca has the links.
Best,
Jane
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Date: Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:47 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net>, osama manzar <osamam@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated Broadband Company in America
Dear Jane,
Thank you for the informative messages and links. DEF has done considerable work in the area of Community Networks, and several networks such as the one that Sarbani has written about exist in India. However there are issues related to the scale and scope of operation, which revolve around the regulatory policies that make it a little difficult to create and operate networks.
If I understood well, the NY Mesh network has a supernode from the IXP and its bandwidth comes from the IXP. I am copying this thread to Osama Manzar of DEF to ask if there are examples of Community Networks in India that do not depend on agreements with Telecom Operators / telecom related ISPs, which may not wholeheartedly support Community Networks beyond the notion of small rural networks.
There are a few problems that need to be addressed, and a different connectivity model may be required together with ample support from the Telecom ministry for the spread of community networks in India.
Thank you.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:01 PM Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> wrote:
Apologies - I hit send before adding the links:
DEF: http://defindia.org/
Video on The Land of Zero Connect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq27X8CJLTM
Link to APC's Community Network Newsletter: https://www.apc.org/en/project/local-access-networks-can-unconnected-connect-themselves
ISOC's Community Network site: https://www.internetsociety.org/issues/community-networks/
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On 8/16/18, 11:52 AM, "dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net on behalf of Jane Coffin" <dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net on behalf of coffin@isoc.org> wrote:
To add - you will find a lot of interesting information here at the DEF site:
See also this video about a remote area of India and lack of connectivity and Community Networks coming in to help:
We often hear these arguments about "coverage". The issue is not just the mobile network footprint (coverage area), but whether the services are affordable, and if end-users have a choice. Community Networks are a viable option in
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On 8/16/18, 11:27 AM, "dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net on behalf of Sarbani Banerjee Belur" <dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net on behalf of sarbanibelur@iitb.ac.in> wrote:
Hi Sivasubramanian,
Community networks does exist in India and it is a sustainable initiative.
Gram Marg at IIT Bombay has set up one spanning 10 villages in Palghar,
Maharashtra, Digital Empowerment Foundation has set up some as well. There
are more going to be set up in this year and the next. These CNs are set
up in locations that have no mobile connectivity and are usually in
remote, rural villages of India.
Local ISPs have come to the rescue and provide bandwidth in such locations.
With regards,
Sarbani
> In Chennai, India, I spoke to someone in an educational institution about
> starting a Community Network. He argued that access is no longer a problem
> as Telecom companies offer 3G and 4G services everywhere. He wouldn't
> listen to arguments concerning the cost and clever pricing models of
> access
> that indiscernably amass huge sums by microscopic extraction, wouldn't
> listen to arguments about nominal and actual bandwidth. He and some
> others
> take the position that a case does not exist for Community Networks here.
>
> Happens to be an iconic opinion. It is a challenge to present arguments,
> articles such as this are of ample help.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 5:20 PM Marco Zennaro <mzennaro@ictp.it> wrote:
>
>> Interesting news:
>>
>>
>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ne5k5m/consumer-reports-broadband-company-ratings
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Marco
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