On 20/10/16 15:51, Luca Belli wrote:

Hi Leandro,

I agree with substituting square miles with km. Metric systems seems indeed slightly more widespread J

 http://www.zmescience.com/other/map-of-countries-officially-not-using-the-metric-system/

 

also a good idea to merge 2.e and 2.f (free peering and transit)

 

As regards 2.c (open design) and 2.g (free and open software and tech), I think you raise a good point I would not consider them as redundant. On the contrary, I would rather re-order them to stress that CN should be based on the use of free and open software and tech AND the resulting design should ALSO be published and accessible to everyone. So I suggest moving 2.g (free and open software and tech) right before open design.

Hi, but we have to decide if these items are a characterisation or our wish list, as these items are currently preceded in the doc by "...and are characterised by the following points". Unfortunately to my opinion too, many CN do not use free and open software and tech, at least not entirely. Therefore we are not "characterising" as we say but defining aims/ideals and therefore shortening the list of candidates. It's also contradictory to characterise and then describe this item as "are prefered". I doubt that this is a common characteristic, but I agree is a nice aim.

Open HW is still far away, with many hw designs and firmware still in closed source, even operating systems. Several CN partially or completely use commercial closed-source routers as black boxes (e.g. Ubiquity or Mikrotik or diverse optical equipment) just because it works or is easier for them, but still I believe these network infrastructures can be safely characterised as community networks.

Contrary to my personal values, but I'd prefer to define the list as essential/main features that describe existing community networks out there and let the communities learn, decide, evolve, improve, avoiding us having a restrictive characterisation. Of course, the definition should effectively delimit those that are clearly not CN, but being respectful to diversity and local choices.

Perhaps ideas like this would fit into section 4, as the promotion, adoption and development of FOSS and open hw solutions by industry, developers and communities would be very beneficial to all CNs.


Thanks a lot for the details about the events. I hope this would help everyone to plan their trips. My plan is arriving on the 3rd at midnight and leaving on the 11th.

See you, Leandro.

 

As regards, logistics, we have 5 confirmed events the Pre-event and Disco-Tech, on 5 Dec; our workshop (N 238 on Community Connectivity) and the DC3 annual meeting on 7 Dec;  and the Post-IGF event

Here my original mail on IGF Activities http://listas.altermundi.net/pipermail/dc3/2016-September/000307.html

And here the IGF programme http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/12/123

 

Best

Luca

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De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Leandro Navarro
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 19 de outubro de 2016 21:03
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Declaration on Community Connectivity v.1.0

 

Hi, edits, comments and questions:

I'd remove "of equal importance". It's a bit obvious/redundant (marked but not removed)

capitalized Internet, i18n: mile -> Km

Proposed (but not done):

e and f could be merged to make it more compact and readable:

e+f) Free traffic: transit and peering to other networks in reciprocal terms

g) as a preference comes directly from c) I'd remove

Alternative to the current h) to follow the pattern of: x) point: description
h) safety: security and privacy in the design and operation


Logistics:
- We finally don't have pre-event/day-0 event? (5/12)

- Anything to prepare/discuss for our workshop during IGF?

- I understand we still have the post-event on Saturday 10th on Community Nets. Any idea for the program to discuss?
 + We'd like to spend with you some time discussing training materials about community networks we're preparing, among other topics.
 + In the netcommons.eu project we've produced several studies that we can outline, and get help to generalize from a mostly European focus.

Any suggestion about accommodation? :-)

See you in Guadalajara, Leandro.

On 19/10/16 20:35, Luca Belli wrote:

Hi Nico, 
You are rising a valid point.
Perhaps (h) could be slightly rephrased as follows 
 
h)      the consideration of security and privacy concerns while designing and operating the network 
 
-----Mensagem original-----
De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Nicolás Echániz
Enviada em: terça-feira, 18 de outubro de 2016 21:23
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Assunto: Re: [DC3] Declaration on Community Connectivity v.1.0
 
 
regarding point h) security and privacy are components of network design and operation.
 
... although this sounds good, I don't see it generally implemented in most community networks I know of.
 
This could be a point for discussion for the future, but it seems incorrect (from our perspective) to express it in this way right now.
 
Maybe Christian, who added it has other information which makes this a valid point for the definition right now.
Maybe if we rephrase it to express an intention instead of something that's currently being done it is ok.
 
I also added on point c) of the Policy section something regarding Dynamic Spectrum for secondary use... this is not exactly unlicensed spectrum so I think the distintion is important.
 
 
cheers!
Nico
 
 
On 10/18/2016 06:29 PM, Luca Belli wrote:
Dear all,
 
Many thanks for your inputs on the Declaration.
 
I have tried to slightly edit the text (particularly the preamble) to 
improve readability.
 
I hope all comments are now reflected properly, particularly the 
latest comments provided by Federica, Coenraad and Marcelo. Please do 
not hesitate to modify the text using the pad or share any further 
feedback *by 25 October*.
 
https://pad.codigosur.org/GuadalajaraDeclaration
 
All the best
 
Luca
 
 
 
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