Hi !

Yes, the commons model is superior. CNs need to learn how to make their implementations work on a millions scale. At B4RN they say they give the best connectivity in the UK because they dedicate all their resources to that, and they don't have to pay others. They're not the only ones. In https://www.measurementlab.net/publications/2015-Braem-et-al.pdf with independent data from M-Lab, you can see that 3 CNs are among the best operators in their countries in quality (e.g. section 4.2 pg 5, Figure 10 pg 6). We say: "The three networks are among the top eight ISPs in download speed. guifi.net is ranked first in Spain both in median upload speed and best median latency; Ninux (FusoLab) is ranked second in upload, and fourth in best latency; AWMN (part of LANCOM) is first in upload speed, 8th in best latency. In the area of Barcelona, where guifi.net has its connections to Internet carriers, the results are excellent: first in upload speed (guifi.net 7.82 Mbps, the Academic network 4.23 and Cableuropa ONO 3.31), third in download speed (Cableuropa-ONO 18.1 Mbps, the Academic network 9.8, guifi.net 9.79) and first in best latency (guifi.net 14 ms, Vodafone 25, Cableuropa-ONO 35)".

That is something known in the world of free software. There are free implementations that are superior to commercial ones (Android is based on GNU/Linux, let's see when Movistar is based on the infrastructure of guifi.net...). All commercial software products are built from free software, built openly and cooperatively (as commons), because that seems to be the only way to have robust enough software infrastructures/libraries at a reasonable cost/quality to build stable products on top.

Cheers, Leandro.

On 16/8/18 17:27, Sarbani Banerjee Belur wrote:
Hi Sivasubramanian,

Community networks does exist in India and it is a sustainable initiative.
Gram Marg at IIT Bombay has set up one spanning 10 villages in Palghar,
Maharashtra, Digital Empowerment Foundation has set up some as well. There
are more going to be set up in this year and the next. These CNs are set
up in locations that have no mobile connectivity and are usually in
remote, rural villages of India.
Local ISPs have come to the rescue and provide bandwidth in such locations.

With regards,
Sarbani

In Chennai, India, I spoke to someone in an educational institution about
starting a Community Network. He argued that access is no longer a problem
as Telecom companies offer 3G and 4G services everywhere. He wouldn't
listen to arguments concerning the cost and clever pricing models of
access
that indiscernably amass huge sums by microscopic extraction,  wouldn't
listen to arguments about nominal and actual bandwidth.  He and some
others
take the position that a case does not exist for Community Networks here.

Happens to be an iconic opinion. It is a challenge to present arguments,
articles such as this are of ample help.

Sivasubramanian M

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 5:20 PM Marco Zennaro <mzennaro@ictp.it> wrote:

Interesting news:


https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ne5k5m/consumer-reports-broadband-company-ratings

Cheers,
Marco

Marco Zennaro, PhD // Research Officer // T/ICT4D Lab // ICTP //
wireless.ictp.it



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