You are a perfect speaker for whatever is wrangled together.
And, Luca is our Man-in-Guadalajara to make it happen with the iGF pipl.
We are some of your humble supporters and here to help make it happen ;)
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Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 11:06 PM
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Cc: "ermanno@gmail.com" <ermanno@gmail.com>, Steve Song <stevesong@nsrc.org>, Marco Zennaro <mzennaro@ictp.it>
Subject: Re: [DC3] IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!!
It’s more than a play on words and not just English. In Chinese tennis (net ball) and Internet both use
网. This is why I have
http://网.ws. (and, to be safe
http://網.ws).
This is better discussed at a workshop but I’ll make on effort to disentangle the concepts.
It is this ambiguity that is at the heart of challenge in coming to terms with the Internet as a discontinuity from telecommunications. The reason we implicitly assume networking is a service
is that in the days of telegraphy and telephony we relied on a provider to keep the message intact. The discontinuity came from our ability to use software to program-around providers. In that sense the Internet represents a return to the being social network
than a traditional telecommunications network. TCP is a cooperative protocol implemented at the edges and it’s a technique that allows us to program around whatever is in the path. The actual story is more entangled because telecommunications used the wires
merely to sell services so we still accept the idea that the Internet is a service we buy even if that’s very far from the truth. Today’s protocols build on that story.
Too many of the well-intentioned efforts focus on the physical network and extending the business model of telecommunications. Concepts like “access” are more about particular ways of using
the infrastructure that mirror traditional telecommunications services.
Guifi is a nice story but I’d be far more excited about communities that can use their standard governmental mechanisms to coordinate their efforts to support connectivity like they do
roads and sidewalks. This is why I framed my talk at Luca’s FGV in terms of infrastructure (http://rmf.vc/InfrastructureRio) rather than networks.
We have to be careful to see these efforts in the larger context of infrastructure as a basic function of (local) governments and as something paid for making it free to use and extend.
(I also need to finish http://rmf.vc/InfrastructureConnected about why “free-to-use” is so important and post it).
Efforts like Altermundi and Guifi have their place but we need to view them in the larger context of infrastructure.
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Subject: Re: [DC3] IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!!
Hi Bob –
Actually – networking in the sense of connectivity. Many of us are keen not to simply say “Community wireless” networks as there are some excellent examples of “community networks” like
some of the Guif.net networks that are not Wi-Fi only.
But, you raise an excellent point in English re networking. A nice play on words.
An event to bring a community of people together who help network communities.
Jane
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Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 6:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [DC3] IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!!
What is the sense of “Networking” in the phrase “community networking”? I presume it is in the social sense rather than the engineering sense.
I agree we need more time than a short session because there is a lot of learning and, perhaps, more unlearning.
If we are to achieve more of … part of the question is more of what. This is why I use terms like “connectivity” and “infrastructure” rather than “the Internet” or even because those terms
tend to limit us to more of the same and to framing the issues in terms of physical objects and problematic constructs like spectrum [sic].
So the first topic is understanding the question. What is an articulate version of the yearning for more “Internet” and how we can we get more of the secret sauce. I do argue that, at this
point, the issue is primarily economic and also escaping the framing of the web and “access”. We don’t even have open infrastructure for the first billion let alone the rest … but that’s a longer discussion. This is why I’m focusing my current efforts on an
economic/business model for an infrastructure that isn’t “pay to speak” nor the concept of authorization.
So, yes, a (social, educational) networking event would be great.
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Subject: Re: [DC3] IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!!
Luca and All –
Given the amazing energy around this great workshop, and that so many people may be in one place.
I wondered – should we take advantage of all of the great people coming to Guadalajara and hold a day-long Community Networking event?
We could focus in greater detail on topics related to:
-Community Building/Getting Started
-Business Case/Sustainability
-Tools for setting up networks/The “How”
-Tools for training/The “How” and sustainability
-Software/Hardware Tools
-Spectrum issues
-Legal/policy (as related to spectrum or authorizations)
-Other
We could do it
before, during, or after the IGF.
Or, if this complicates things – we could find another event – maybe ICTP has something in early 2017 where we could gather, meet/discuss.
Talk to me ;)
Best,
Jane
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<luca.belli@fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 7:09 AM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Subject: [DC3] IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!!
Hi all,
this is just to say that our proposal has been accepted!!
Thanks to all those who have participated in the elaboration of the proposal.
FYI, here are the workshop-proposals evaluation results http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf16-workshops/igf2016-workshops-evaluation-results
All the best
Luca