Dear Luca & othersI would like to add DEF's wireless for communities (W4C) principles in etherpad document. But I am unable to add points. Kindly allow me to access ether pad.RegardsRituOn Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz@altermundi.net> wrote:So... let's start working on a pad towards a declaration text?
I've copied texts that have already been mentioned here:
https://pad.codigosur.org/GuadalajaraDeclaration
I also added AlterMundi's definitions.
We differentiate Free Network from Community Network with the goal of
targeting a bigger audience. A small commercial ISP could easily adhere
to the Free Network principles, while they could not be considered
Community Networks.
Maybe we can work a bit on ideas on this pad and then have an online
audio-conference at some point to share thoughts?
Cheers!
Nico
On 09/08/2016 03:00 PM, Steve Song wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Speaking personally, I favour a bold statement. Good practices are
> important but a declaration (I chose the word deliberately) is about
> something you believe in and are prepared to take a stand on. Here is a
> statement that Peter Bloom and I came up with last year:
>
> -----
> Up to 3 billion people in the world do not have access to communication
> infrastructure, and people in rural areas are unlikely to realize the
> benefits of access in the near term. There is no business case for
> extending coverage based on the current operational models of
> traditional network operators, and alternative strategies typically face
> nearly insurmountable regulatory hurdles. The access playing field has
> opened somewhat as Internet giants have entered the mix with
> infrastructure projects. But this raises further concerns about
> consolidation and neutrality. In order to reverse these trends and
> reclaim the role of the commons in networks, it is necessary to create
> the technology, policy and regulatory frameworks that empower
> communities and local entrepreneurs to solve their own connectivity
> challenges. Bottom-up strategies that embrace neutrality and diversity
> in the last mile will allow everyone to to play a role in bringing down
> costs and ensuring access.
> -----
>
> We called it Last Mile DNA (Diversity and Neutrality of Access). I
> recognise that there are many issues related to access and I am not
> claiming this is the most important one but it does happen to be the one
> that I am prepared to nail my colours to the mast for.
>
> Cheers... Steve
>
>
>
>
> On 8 September 2016 at 09:00, Instituto Bem Estar Brasil
> <instituto@bemestarbrasil.org.br
> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.> <mailto:instituto@bemestarbrasil.org.br>> wrote:
>
> I go with Bob, we need to differ the access from infrastructure when
> we talk
> about declarations, because I heard some speeches about lifeline and
> subvention the access through de telcos etc. Even here in Brazil
> there are
> talks about "bolsa internet" and this not empower the people, just
> replicate
> the message that we need to consume information from the market. An
> idea in
> the middle is to create means to create community infrastructure
> where the
> government can use it and share the costs with the community
> provider and
> this idea is about to create laws to digital cities and digital policies
> with democratic governance and sustainability through councils with
> liquid
> democracy methodology and a public fund for example.
>
>
> Atenciosamente,
> ________________________________
> Marcelo Saldanha
> Movimento de Espectro Livre / Movimento de Redes Livres
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> Skype : marcelo_secante
> ________________________________
> No campo das ideias, o limite é sonhar o impossível e no campo das
> realizações, basta perseverar.
>
>
>
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net
> <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>
altermundi.net
> <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] Em nome de dc3@bob.ma
> <mailto:dc3@bob.ma>
> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 18:51
> Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity'
> Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles
> and Good
> Practices on Community Connectivity
>
> It helps to have written songs for the Grateful Dead ...
>
> If we do declarations I strongly urge separating a declaration about
> connectivity as infrastructure from the more aspirational goals of
> "access".
> This separation has been the key to the success of the Internet by
> decoupling the technology from the applications.
>
> My focus is on the enabling/empowering infrastructure. The is a shift to
> paying for the common infrastructure as a community. For profit is
> fine. The
> problem is that today's profit is made by having a third party taxing
> speech. By paying for infrastructure as a community we align the
> incentives.
> We need to be wary about too much emphasis on examples of volunteers to
> avoid false dichotomies of public/private and us/them. Perhaps something
> that JPB can endorse.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net
> <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>
> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net
> <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] On Behalf Of Luca Belli
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 17:38
> To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
> <dc3@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
> Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good
> Practices on Community Connectivity
>
> I wholeheartedly agree with C.A.
> Best
> ________________________________________
> De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net
> <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>
> [dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net
> <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] em
> nome de Carlos Afonso [ca@cafonso.ca <mailto:ca@cafonso.ca>]
> Enviado: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 1:03
> Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
> Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good
> Practices on Community Connectivity
>
> Why, John Perry Barlow could do one, why couldn't we? :-)
>
> []s fraternos
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 06/09/2016 15:18, Jane Coffin wrote:
> > Hi All –
> >
> > I think we should definitely issue a document related to Community
> connectivity.
> >
> > One question for food for thought – if we call our output a
> > declaration we
> trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments in
> particular) may find challenging.
> >
> > Could we find another word? I would hate to have people oppose what
> > we
> are doing.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jane
> >
> >
> > Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
> <http://www.internetsociety.org>
> > Skype: janercoffin
> > Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 <tel:%2B1.202.247.8429>
> >
> > From: <dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net
> <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Luca Belli
> > <luca.belli@fgv.br <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>>
> > Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
> > <dc3@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
> > Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:16 PM
> > To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
> > <dc3@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
> > Subject: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good
> > Practices on Community Connectivity
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Over the past weeks, many list members have supported the elaboration
> > of a
> declaration of principles and good practices on community
> connectivity to be
> presented at the IGF.
> > So far, we have had some very good ideas coming up. Particularly, we
> > may start drafting a “Guadalajara Declaration” (proposed by Steve)
> > building on the excellent material circulated by Leandro (FONN
> > principles https://guifi.net/en/FONNC ) and Jane (RFC 7962
> > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt
> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt>)
> >
> > I would be very happy to facilitate the elaboration of an initial
> > draft to
> circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i)
> elaborate a
> common definition of connectivity as well as of community network
> (ii) and
> identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the
> deployment of community networks.
> > Is anyone interested in helping me facilitating the drafting process
> (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments and
> consolidating the comments we will receive)?
> >
> > As mentioned previously, we could elaborate the draft declaration over
> > the
> next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, and
> lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the IGF.
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Best
> > Luca
> >
> > [GV Direito Rio]
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