15:05:47 From Sonia Jorge to All panelists : Looks like my link is ���attendee��� and not panelist; can someone change that? 15:06:27 From Jane Coffin to All panelists : Hi Luca - same. Just joined 15:07:06 From Jane Coffin to All panelists : Just need an upgrade so that I can speak/unmute, etc 15:07:34 From Jane Coffin to All panelists : Jane Coffin 15:08:34 From Senka Hadzic to All panelists : Still waiting for my upgrade :) 15:13:28 From Captioner to All panelists : Can you please assign me as closed captioner for this event? 15:13:28 From vIGF 2020 to All panelists : Judith can I make you a co-host. Just in case. 15:15:32 From Captioner to All panelists : Thank you 15:15:55 From Roberto Gaetano to All panelists : Sorry to be late - I had 18:20 on my calendar 15:16:24 From Roberto Gaetano to All panelists : Oh good - I thought to be late 15:17:01 From Captioner to All panelists : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=IGF-Room-II 15:17:15 From Jane Coffin to All panelists : Luca/Judith - I may have to drop at the top of the hour. A meeting that was supposed to be much later was not recalibrated for the time-change in the US��� 15:17:21 From Captioner to All panelists : I do not have that, sorry 15:17:26 From Captioner to All panelists : I can ask Caption First 15:18:15 From Glenn McKnight : hi Luca and all 15:18:23 From Roberto Zambrana to All panelists : Hello everyone. Nice to see you all. Greetings from La Paz, BOLIVIA 15:18:32 From Amali De Silva-Mitchell : hello 15:18:42 From Luca Belli to All panelists : hello all! 15:18:47 From Ucha Seturi to All panelists : Hi All 15:18:54 From Luca Belli : hello all!! 15:19:02 From Glenn McKnight : Calling in from Oshawa Ontario Canada a beutiful 16 C day 15:19:03 From Roberto Gaetano : Ciao Luca 15:19:07 From Glenn McKnight : very unusual 15:19:14 From Maureen Hilyard : Hi everyone 15:19:24 From Glenn McKnight : can not hear you luca 15:19:39 From Jabhera Matogoro : Hi All, receive our greetings from Tanzania Community Networks Alliance, a remote hub located in Dodoma, Tanzania. 15:19:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to All panelists : ahh hear now 15:19:44 From Glenn McKnight : i can hear you now 15:19:54 From Jabhera Matogoro : www.tzcna.or.tz 15:19:59 From D Gordon to All panelists : Hi Osama, Good to see you! 15:20:04 From Captioner to All panelists : The captioning side of this service does not have that link. Perhaps IGF IT side has it? 15:20:21 From Glenn McKnight : We had Dr Lee Mcknight present to VSIG the session on Internet in a Backpack a few weeks ago. Its on our Youtube playlist 15:20:35 From Roberto Zambrana to All panelists : I can do it 15:20:36 From Roberto Zambrana to All panelists : https://www.youtube.com/user/igf/live 15:20:52 From Glenn McKnight : The DCA Summit has been streaming their sessions on COnnecting the Unconnected 15:21:26 From Judith Hellerstein to All panelists : Stream text link is here for those just joining, https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=IGF-Room-II 15:22:00 From D Gordon to All panelists : Greetings Sonia! 15:22:11 From Roberto Zambrana to All panelists : https://youtu.be/qX22NhAb1Lw 15:22:14 From Judith Hellerstein : We have 28 people total here plus hub in Tanzania 15:22:34 From Roberto Zambrana to All panelists : This is the specific streaming link for this session: 15:22:36 From Roberto Zambrana to All panelists : https://youtu.be/qX22NhAb1Lw 15:23:57 From vIGF 2020 : Good evening from Accra Ghana. My name is Raymond Mamattah, I am your host providing technical support. Kindly note that this session is being recorded and hosted under the IGF Code of Conduct and UN Rules and Regulations. If you need any help please indicate in the chat. Enjoy the session 15:24:13 From Raquel Renno Nunes to All panelists : Hi again, Raquel Renno from Article 19. Glad to attend this very important meeting 15:24:38 From Jane Coffin to All panelists : @lJudith - I do not have to leave early���.we sorted the conflict out. 15:26:31 From Osama Manzar to All panelists : https://www.defindia.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/THE-VALUE-OF-INTERNET-OPENNESS-IN-TIMES-OF-CRISIS.pdf 15:27:16 From Judith Hellerstein to All panelists : Great Jane 15:27:16 From El Khoury Cynthia : hi everyone, thanks Luca. cynthia here - i am gender and women���s engagement coordinator for community networks with APC 15:27:47 From Judith Hellerstein : We now have 34 participants at this session so welcome a;; 15:27:53 From Judith Hellerstein : welcome all 15:29:50 From Roberto Zambrana : Hello everyone. I am Roberto Zambrana, coordinator of Bolivian NRI and MAG member. Greetings from La Paz, BOLIVIA 15:30:26 From Amali De Silva-Mitchell : please could the link to the book be put to chat 15:30:55 From Judith Hellerstein : https://www.defindia.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/THE-VALUE-OF-INTERNET-OPENNESS-IN-TIMES-OF-CRISIS.pdf 15:31:02 From Roberto Zambrana : If anyone of you wants to share this session streaming, you may use the following link: 15:31:03 From Roberto Zambrana : https://youtu.be/qX22NhAb1Lw 15:36:46 From Noha Abdel Baky to All panelists : interesting insight :) 15:45:02 From Raquel Renno Nunes to All panelists : Very important point, ms. Jorge. having reliable and detailed data is very important in an environment where not rarely, we see connectivity data being measured almost only by large telecom companies. 15:46:49 From Amali De Silva-Mitchell : should we talk about digital integration , within a cluster of differentiated user accesses ? 15:47:20 From Sonia Jorge : For more details see: https://a4ai.org/meaningful-connectivity/ 15:49:59 From Sonia Jorge : And for an application of Meaningful Connectivity in 4 countries, see: https://a4ai.org/in-conversation-with-chenai-chair-on-the-web-foundations-latest-womens-rights-online-research/ 15:50:34 From Sonia Jorge : Which shows how this concept also highlights different types of access by gender 15:55:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : excellent@Jane thanks! 15:56:07 From Amali De Silva-Mitchell : congratulations on recognition of CN@G20 15:56:23 From Luca Belli : https://www.anatel.gov.br/setorregulado/redes-comunitarias 15:56:42 From Jane Coffin to All panelists : I forgot to mention Brazil. It was so exciting ; ) 15:57:41 From Jane Coffin to All panelists : Time to shake things up - together ; ) 16:03:54 From Judith Hellerstein to All panelists : Can I get a copy of the slides so can use them for my report 16:09:20 From El Khoury Cynthia : here is the link to the article https://www.apc.org/en/news/beyond-connectivity-networks-care 16:09:38 From Adam Burns : I also want to remind people of a networking community resource (on community networking) that is now released through a print on demand service (as well as free online). https://www.netcommons.eu/?q=telecommunications-reclaimed best to all here today! 16:09:41 From El Khoury Cynthia to All panelists : sure Judith may i have your contacts please? 16:10:21 From Jane Coffin : Great points Cynthia. 16:10:28 From Jane Coffin : And, spot on Luca about access for all 16:10:32 From Judith Hellerstein to All panelists : judith@jhellerstein.com 16:12:09 From Carlos Alberto Afonso to All panelists : Carlos Afonso here, arriving late (sorry, another meeting), from Nupef and MAG/IGF. 16:12:23 From Andrey Shcherbovich to All panelists : wow 16:12:24 From El Khoury Cynthia to All panelists : thank you Jane 16:12:37 From Andrey Shcherbovich to All panelists : My and Anya's Russian paper published 16:12:58 From Andrey Shcherbovich to All panelists : THANKS LUCA!!! 16:13:19 From Jane Coffin : Great points Nico. Our strength is in the many vs the few 16:14:02 From D Gordon : Excellent points we are not working for access in order to give new markets to major platforms 16:14:53 From Luca Belli to Andrey Shcherbovich and all panelists : my pleasure Andrey. it is an excellent paper! 16:15:04 From D Gordon : Covid 19 is helping to create new dependencies that erode autonomy and self-determination. 16:15:17 From Luca Belli to Andrey Shcherbovich and all panelists : i told anya to invite you to present with her on friday 16:15:42 From Andrey Shcherbovich to All panelists : sure I will 16:15:59 From Andrey Shcherbovich to All panelists : on Covid maybe as well 16:17:01 From El Khoury Cynthia : can you share more D Gordon? 16:17:39 From Maureen Hilyard : Excellent points Sonia 16:18:59 From D Gordon : For example we have a scramble from major platforms to take over the education space. You need to ask if you want the control of education and related data to go to monopoly platforms. 16:20:02 From Maureen Hilyard : The uptopia.. :) 16:20:06 From Maureen Hilyard : utiopia 16:20:34 From D Gordon : Sonia are you working to give better market to monopoly platforms? 16:20:35 From Roberto Zambrana : +1 Nicol��s and Sonia. But meaningful connectivity concept came also to provide some contrast with statistics about Internet penetration, that seemed to be very positive at first, claiming that "almost 60%" is now connected, but it is clear that a portion of that people do not have meaningful connectivity, or don't have the money to afford to connect. 16:20:59 From Luca Belli to D Gordon and all panelists : Gordon you will be interested in this piece https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/scramble-for-data-and-need-for-network-self-determination/ 16:21:48 From Roberto Gaetano : The moment that we improve conditions in currently underserved areas, there are chances that well connected populations will be even better connected, so it will go on. But this should not be a reason for not fighting for getting equal level field 16:22:35 From Roberto Zambrana : And now, after the pandemic, we all know that "meaningful connectivity" means to be able to work from home, study from home, and remain in contact with relatives. 16:23:07 From Carlos Alberto Afonso to All panelists : Zambrana, these numbers are usually very biased by the numbers of people who connect using prepaid cell phones with miserable data caps. We might be hiding a sort of inequality similar to a caste system. 16:23:10 From Roberto Zambrana : Something that sadly, was not the case for more that 50% of hummanity 16:23:47 From Raquel Renno Nunes to All panelists : Thank you, Sonia. Glad to read the report you mention and to collaborate with the document soon to be publish about policies for Community Networks 16:23:53 From Maureen Hilyard : Small island developing states are still working towards more equitable connectivity for the small outer islands that miss out on what their main island internet users get access to. Slowly but hopefully surely.. 16:25:15 From Carlos Alberto Afonso to All panelists : In my view, we should be advocating policy for full access which enables users to enjoy the resources of the Internet without discrimination or censorship of any kind. The strategic goal is full access with quality compatible with the contemporary multimedia experience for every household. 16:25:30 From Carlos Alberto Afonso to All panelists : Community networks are a crucial asset for unconnected or poorly connected communities, but this is not a strategic goal which will provide *the* access and user experience solution. Some large projects which are excellent reference in autonomous connectivity are not replicable in every setting - to the contrary. 16:25:43 From Sonia Jorge : Roberto, the binary on/offline at least one in the last 3 months I(as internet use is currently defined) s not only outdated but most importantly mask the reality of connectivity across countries, groups of the population, etc. 16:25:47 From Carlos Alberto Afonso to All panelists : Let us remind ourselves that every government (local, provincial, federal) is migrating services to digital platforms -- which increases the situation of inequality for households with poor or no proper access. 16:26:33 From Judith Hellerstein to Amali De Silva-Mitchell and all panelists : is that a new hand or an old hand 16:30:11 From Amali De Silva-Mitchell : very good points 16:30:40 From Sonia Jorge : Migrating public services to digital platforms when the majority of population does not have affordable and meaningful connectivity can only contribute to further inequality and exclusion. We need to turn that trend into an opportunity and demand that policy makers and others to take actions and invest in ways that will increase access. We need to turn that trend into an opportunity for better universal access policy and actions 16:31:53 From D Gordon : Can someone give the links to the UN docs he is referring to? 16:32:08 From Luca Belli to D Gordon and all panelists : see the booklet 16:32:13 From Luca Belli to D Gordon and all panelists : they are referenced 16:32:17 From Luca Belli to D Gordon and all panelists : ;) 16:32:17 From Carlos Alberto Afonso to All panelists : Yes, Sonia, exactly. 16:32:19 From Roberto Zambrana : Exactly right Sonia. A huge and harmful MASK 16:32:40 From Roberto Gaetano : The hope is that the current situation can raise not only awareness, but will translate in a call for action, for better connectivity 16:32:57 From Luca Belli to D Gordon and all panelists : link of the book https://cyberbrics.info/the-value-of-internet-openness-in-times-of-crisis/ 16:34:25 From Roberto Gaetano : In other words, the raised interest in connectivity should translate into an irreversible push for wider access 16:35:15 From Roberto Zambrana : +1 Sonia, Roberto Gaetano 16:35:40 From Sonia Jorge : Exactly Roberto G. 16:43:40 From Carlos Alberto Afonso to All panelists : Pity we cannot download the chat stream. Actually is a standard feature of zoom which is disabled here. 16:44:11 From Luca Belli to D Gordon and all panelists : will download it and share on the dc3 list 16:45:35 From Raquel Renno Nunes to All panelists : Previous research made by this group can serve as good argument to show how large telecom companies failed to do the job in overcoming the digital divide in the last years (in contrast to CNs)