Hi Luca, glad I brought this back in, then. No apologies needed, we all have a lot of stuff on our plates and these things happen....

I also agree on Steve's addition.

I am not sure about including references in a Declaration, it's the first time I'm part of one... :-S But if we do include one on the first sentence, we need to support the rest of info in the preamble.

best,

carlos

On 4 November 2016 at 17:39, Steve Song <steve@villagetelco.org> wrote:

Hi all,

I also agree, especially as the origin of problematic statement.  :)   The original text I posted should have read "Up to 3 billion people in the world do not have access to *affordable* communication infrastructure".  Access to communication is not enough, lack of affordability is effectively lack of access.  Unfortunately stats on affordability are a bit thin on the ground, especially when going beyond Internet access to telephony.

I suggest adding to Carlos' framing:

"Over four billion people may remain unconnected to the Internet, including around a billion who do not have access to basic telephony services.  Even for those with access affordability remains a challenge."

Cheers... Steve 

On 4 November 2016 at 10:01, Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br> wrote:

Hi Carlos, Leandro and all

My apologies for forgetting to include Carlos’ comment. Obviously, the comment is not only pertinent but also well-founded.

The Preamble has already been modified accordingly.

Best

Luca

 

De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Leandro Navarro
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 4 de novembro de 2016 09:52
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Assunto: Re: [DC3] Guadalajara Declaration and DC3 Report

 

I also agree, we should start with a clear, precise statement of the challenge/situation, if possible with references to recognized sources.

Regards, Leandro.

 

On 4/11/16 05:57, Carlos Rey-Moreno wrote:

Dear Luca, thank you very much for all you work on the declaration and the report.

The declaration does not incorporate the concern I raised  about the first sentence of the preamble ( "Over three billion people do not have access to communication infrastructure") being a potential source of discrediting the whole declaration as it is not accurate.

While there is common agreement that there are only 3 billion people connected to (using) the Internet, that does not mean that they do not have access to communications.  For instance, the ITU shows that coverage for both GSM and 3G networks is way beyond that number [1]. Other reasons may explain this gap, affordability, lack of relevant content, confidence/skills, etc, but not lack of access.  Thus, I propose, after the input from John Dada in the same email thread, to rephrase that sentence to:
"Over four billion people may remain unconnected to the Internet, including around a billion who do not have access to basic telephony services".

Regards,

carlos

[1] http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Pages/facts/default.aspx

 

 

On 3 November 2016 at 23:05, Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br> wrote:

Hi all,

 

Here is the v.3.0 of the Declaration https://pad.codigosur.org/GuadalajaraDeclaration

I think we have a very good text that we can submit to the IGF Secretariat as a DC3 outcome, together with the DC3 Report (or at least the Outline of the Report, in light of the fact that the Report is 172-page long)

You can find the Outline of the Report here https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/DC3_Report_Outline

 

FYI, free hard-copies of the report will be distributed at the DC3 session (the printing and editing is sponsored by CTS/FGV). The Report will also be available online under Creative Commons License.

 

Regarding the Declaration, although I was initially favourable to the use of square km rather than miles, some of you (particularly Bob) made some very good points on the usefulness of adopting/enhancing existing terminology. In this perspective, I think if could be wiser to speak about “first square mile” (see Preamble)

 

Lastly, as you may recall, the IGF Secretariat asked to submit 5 statements that describe our outcome and can be used to request feedback on the DC3 outcome to the IGF participants. I suggest we simply use the preamble and the 4 paragraphs of the Declaration as statements. Let me know if you have different suggestions on the matter.

 

Many thanks for your excellent feedback and for the great debate so far.

All the best

Luca

 

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