HI Siva 
I agree that we need to separate the 5G hype from reality,  impartial  analysis and a real cost analysis .  I see this typical with TVWS as the best solution since  sliced bread( or  roti)   but  none of this is written in plain english or other .  
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:50 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Glenn and Leandro. The pad lists some important points. Leadndro's paper is a useful research paper.  There have been some presentations in IGF and other fora where 5G policy issues were explained clearly. Pointers to some of those resources, even webpages / blogs might be helpful, not only to respond to this list participant, but in general to share with those who may not have a technical background.

In response to the question, the digitized books on Community Network would also help in providing a fair perspective. 

Would also helpful if some of you could join the list http://isocindiachennai.org/mailman/listinfo/moreinternet_isocindiachennai.org

Thank you.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Leandro Navarro <leandro@pangea.org> wrote:

I couldn't attend the session, but I participated in a joint paper some time ago about the 5G hype. Metaphorically and simplifying, if we are talking about thirst and lack of water, 5g is mainly a new type of drink cocktail, a new flavor to attract sophisticated consumers, as long as you live in profitable places for the service and you can pay for it. Renewal of communications equipment and devices is a business opportunity for manufacturers mainly, but not just the best "water" to the unconnected, rural, ... (non premium clients), even a problem as investment from operators gets first pushed by the trend towards satisfying high paying urban customers and not to spread connectivity to low pay social/universal inclusion customers, and definitely not network co-owners as in CNs.

https://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro/pubs/5G.pdf

Leandro.

On 23/04/2020 15:17, sivasubramanian muthusamy wrote:
Dear Jane,

Please see inline:

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:33 PM Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org> wrote:

Siva –

 

APC just did a great session on 5G.  I think the meet-up was recorded.

There rae a lot of issues related to 5G….

I think one thing that is key – we need to connect in a tech neutral way.  By focusing just on 5G, we divert attention away from immediate complimentary solutions – from 3G to 4G to Community Networks and the need for more IXPs.

 

I also am curious about the CAPEX/OPEX per kilometer based on population and average income related to 5G….


I will locate the video archive of the APC session on 5G and share it;  The summary information you provided is succinct, helps some of us who are well familiar with the issues and the governance process understand the important points. However, the request (in the list that was set up following the 'more' Internet Chennai Virtual event wherein you led a session on Community Networks) happens to be from academia, from someone who might not be familiar with the background.  What may be more helpful is to put together a list of links / documents / presentations that are more like "what is 5G - seeing through the hype" kind of title, which gives information both at a basic level, and at the same time gets into nuances such as '5G is a bundle of technologies otherwise available in collectable parts in open source',  '5G hype is about lobbying to project this as a unique breakthrough that qualifies for all the world's spectrum' etc.. 

When I post the resources in response to the query titled "Request for resources on 5G aka magic dust" I would not resist the temptation to quote Andrew Sullivan who said during the Chennai Roundtable "5G is like the new magic technology, right ? It is a floor wax, and it is also a dessert topping. It
will wash your clothes and make your dinner. A lot of the time, when you hear those kinds of claims about any given technology, for the internet, or really for anything else, you' re going to be disappointed."   

 

 

Best,
Jane

 

Senior Vice President, Internet Growth

Internet Society

+1.202.247.8429

www.internetsociety.org 

 

 

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Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 8:57 AM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Subject: [DC3] Resources on the 5G hype

 

A certain participant of an Internet Society India Chennai Chapter special mailing list seeking pointers: 

 

 to learn more about 5G's potential implications for democracy and human rights. (Very broad... I know). I wonder if anyone on this list has any resources to share on architecture or deployment, for instance: 

- a good high level overview of technical/architectural elements, 

- further information about potential resource conflicts in relation to 4g/6g/fiber, etc., 

-  risks around proprietary software, etc. 

 

Links, key words, directions towards initiatives or organizations to look at — anything would be a huge help!

 

Bringing that question to this list to seek help in answering that question.

 

Thank you

 

 

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