Thanks, Steve. Was only referencing India experience related to FB. And good for Carlos Rey-Moreno! Don > On Jun 22, 2018, at 2:19 PM, dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net wrote: > > Send DC3 mailing list submissions to > dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > dc3-owner(a)listas.altermundi.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DC3 digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 20 (Steve Song) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:19:22 -0300 > From: Steve Song &lt;steve(a)villagetelco.org&gt; > To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; > Subject: Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 20 > Message-ID: > &lt;CAD_CWO2wDmOQn07n13We7eeNhsuEnz0TaYDCJCcgD3aLQ1GZGQ(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Don, > > On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 at 16:29, Don Means &lt;don(a)digitalvillage.com&gt; wrote: > >> Related to CN?s and Free or Low Cost WiFi, the various approaches in India >> by Goog, MSFT and FB are interesting. Google, as you point out is >> installing WiFi on rail line fiber. Good for many, very many travelers. >> > > Agree. The stats are reasonably impressive > https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/07/google-says-over-8-million-people-use-its… > > >> FB?s free service hasn?t faired as well since it more or less followed the >> AOL model of walled garden. >> > > What is your evidence for this claim? Free Basics may have been stopped in > India but it is virtually everywhere I travel to in Africa, along with a > host of other app-specific zero-rating initiatives. I think the best we > can say at this point, because FB refuse to release any data on its uptake, > is that we don't know. I have not seen a single convincing study either > way to date. > > >> Microsoft?s depends on use of TVWS for distribution from fiber end >> points/interconnect points at regional gov?t offices. Then for TVWS as >> backhaul to extend into an unbelievable number of villages as WiFi clusters >> <https://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/microsoft-to-bring-low-cost-broadband-to-half-a-million-villages-in-india-745424> >> This is still pending gov?t spectrum approvals. >> > > Microsoft's Airband initiative is much more agnostic these days embracing > TVWS, WiFi, and any other convincing tranche of spectrum available. They > have even, thanks to Carlos Rey-Moreno, begun to consider non-profits as > startups which is cool. > > Cheers... Steve > > >> >> Regards, >> Don Means >> GigLibraries.Net >> >> On Jun 22, 2018, at 12:11 PM, dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net wrote: >> >> Send DC3 mailing list submissions to >> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> dc3-owner(a)listas.altermundi.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of DC3 digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. RES: DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 (Luca Belli) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:11:53 +0000 >> From: Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; >> To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity >> &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; >> Subject: [DC3] RES: DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 >> Message-ID: &lt;4B6296ABAE1FC944984F6C9FE996FE19016B296A9D(a)DC6010.fgv.br&gt; >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Bob and Peter. >> >> Just to clarify. Obviously I was NOT suggesting that Free WiFi and CNs are >> the same ting... >> >> That is precisely the resaon why I was suggesting to ? potentially ? >> include a representative from Google India in part 3 of the session, >> dedicated to exploring potential interactions/partnerships with different >> stakeholders >> >> To be even more explicit, what I had in my mind was the posibility to >> consider Google Free WiFi (or other free wifi initiatives) as a potential >> source of connectivity for CNs? >> >> De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto: >> dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de dc3(a)bob.ma >> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 09:23 >> Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity ' < >> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; >> Assunto: Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 >> >> I see it as not so much free vs. community as whether there is a >> sustainable model rather than one dependent upon a benevolent donor. A >> donor can play a role in establishing in idea if there is a path towards >> communities funding their connectivity be the community very local or >> national. The other issue is whether there is spotty coverage or a path for >> assuming what I?m calling Ambient Connectivity everywhere. Finally is this >> infrastructure or does one have to login which is what I call web-fi and >> not full connectivity. >> >> From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&lt;mailtolto: >> dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net >> <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> On Behalf Of Peter >> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 08:11 >> To: dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>; >> dc3-request@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-request@listas.altermundi.net >>> >> Subject: Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 >> >> Hard no on google. Free wifi and community networks are not the same thing >> On June 22, 2018 2:49:38 AM CDT, dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net&lt;mailtolto: >> dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; wrote: >> >> Send DC3 mailing list submissions to >> dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net&lt;mailtolto: >> dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> dc3-owner(a)listas.altermundi.net&lt;mailtolto: >> dc3-owner(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of DC3 digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Planning the DC3 Session (Luca Belli) >> 2. Re: Planning the DC3 Session (Jane Coffin) >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:18:53 +0000 >> From: Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>> >> To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity >> <dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> >> Cc: "donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>" < >> donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>> >> Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session >> Message-ID: &lt;4B6296ABAE1FC944984F6C9FE996FE19016B295747(a)DC6010.fgv.br >> <mailto:4B6296ABAE1FC944984F6C9FE996FE19016B295747@DC6010.fgv.br>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi all, >> >> A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 >> session. >> As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by >> default but we should send a draft session proposal by 29 June. >> >> As discussed at Rightscon< >> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391…gt;, >> the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following >> parts: >> >> >> 1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in >> the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the "CN Manual" mentioned in my >> previous email) >> >> 2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to >> understand the challenges they are facing >> >> 3. discussion with potential partners >> >> FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those >> who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting >> restauration of the 90 min slot!!). >> >> The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender >> balanced and geographically diverse. >> >> I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or >> maybe 3) in part 3. >> >> The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN >> Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN >> manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your >> name in the DRAFT session description. >> >> As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently >> developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names? >> >> As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing >> Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. >> CITEL or African Union. >> >> Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi >> at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a >> potential partner to be included in the discussion >> https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li… >> >> What do you think? >> >> Best >> Luca >> >> >> [FGV Direito Rio] >> >> Luca Belli, PhD >> Senior Researcher >> Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/> >> luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> >> +55 21 3799 5763 >> @1lucabelli<https://twitter.com/1lucabelli> >> >> [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Ondas.png] >> >> >> >>