Re: [LibreRouter] Access to open hardware?

Awesom Bruno, let us know how it is going. If you see any missing steps in any part of documentation please let us know. We wen't very detailed - you should be able to completely clone out Nodewatcher system and run it on your own if you wish and then build 10,000 MeshPoint devices if you wish. This is the point of this project - to keep it open so anyone can replicate it. On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:52 PM, bruno vianna <bruno(a)pobox.com> wrote: > Thanks, I'll try to build it. > > I checked and the stores here have v1.1 of the cpe210 for about 40 USD. > > Regards > Bruno > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Valent Turkovic <valent(a)otvorenamreza.org> > wrote: >> >> Link to Nodewatcher - https://nodes.wlan-si.net/ >> >> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Valent Turkovic >> <valent(a)otvorenamreza.org> wrote: >> > Hi Bruno, >> > just to our hackaday page you will find full instructions there - >> > >> > https://hackaday.io/project/10453-meshpoint-opensource-wifi-for-crisis-situ… >> > >> > Or just go to our Nodewatcher cloud server, create new account and >> > create few nodes and play around :) >> > >> > Are CPE210 V1 devices still available in Brazil? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Valent. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:39 PM, bruno vianna <bruno(a)pobox.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Valent >> >> >> >> Sorry to also hijack the list subject, but I'm also curious about >> >> meshpoint--- >> >> >> >> - What firmware do you use for the devices? Is it available anywhere? I >> >> couldn't find no reference. >> >> - In your network, do you run local services? Do you use a local server >> >> or >> >> autodiscovery applications? >> >> >> >> We have also been using the CPE-210 in our community networks in >> >> Brazil. >> >> It's a great device for a very good price. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Valent Turkovic >> >> <valent(a)otvorenamreza.org> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi Fred, >> >>> first I'm not part of Librerouter team so probably anyone from the >> >>> team will give you a more detailed answer. >> >>> >> >>> My project is called MeshPoint and we are working exactly to solve >> >>> part of your problems - to rebuild quickly failed internet >> >>> infrastructure. You can check us out at www.meshpoint.me and on our >> >>> hackaday page - >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> https://hackaday.io/project/10453-meshpoint-wifi-router-for-humanitarian-cr… >> >>> >> >>> But currently neither Librerouter or MeshPoint are ready to be send in >> >>> large numbers anywhere. But if you can get some cooperation from your >> >>> goverment and if they are interested in doing a pilot project to >> >>> research how would MeshPoint fit in their disaster recovery program >> >>> please don't hesitate to contact me. I would love to help you. >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Valent. >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:45 PM, fred <support(a)qo-op.com> wrote: >> >>> > Hi, >> >>> > >> >>> > Your project is somehow what I am looking for to build back Internet >> >>> > access in Dominica (Green Carribean West Indies island). >> >>> > How could I get more details and find hardware to bring there? >> >>> > >> >>> > I am also willing to integrate, recharge station and opens source >> >>> > network services to help rebuild phone (asterisk), social >> >>> > (mastodon), >> >>> > market (gchange) and free money system (duniter) for full >> >>> > operation... >> >>> > >> >>> > I have made prototypes with RaspberryPi, hacked TPLink router but >> >>> > any >> >>> > help is welcome to build a proposal to Dominica Government... >> >>> > >> >>> > Thanks >> >>> > Fred - http://MadeInZion.org >> >>> > >> >>> > PS: Do you know http://redport.cl/ >> >>> > >> >>> > Le 06/11/2017 à 00:29, Valent Turkovic a écrit : >> >>> >> Thanks Nicolas, >> >>> >> we did a lot of work in last two years. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> We have deployed wifi network in refugee camp that rotated 4000 >> >>> >> people >> >>> >> each 24h and in 4 months we served over 500,000 people with wifi. >> >>> >> Even >> >>> >> getting a licence to enter a refugee camp from ministry of internal >> >>> >> affairs was hard enough, then we has only 72h to build and deploy >> >>> >> hotspots on light poles that has power only during the night. So in >> >>> >> two days without almost no sleep we build charging and monitoring >> >>> >> system with batteries under 100€ that worked from first try. And it >> >>> >> worked for months in harsh outdoor environment. >> >>> >> And on the third day we had all of our hotspots deplyed, thanks to >> >>> >> lot >> >>> >> of people in our local hackerspace that helped and thanks to >> >>> >> awesome >> >>> >> Nodewatcher system that enabled us to configure all devices and >> >>> >> build >> >>> >> wifi mesh network in just few hours. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> I hired professional mountain climber to teach me and help me take >> >>> >> all >> >>> >> these devices up to 30m high poles and not die while doing it :) I >> >>> >> didn't want to risk any of the other guys from our hackerspace, >> >>> >> this >> >>> >> was my duty to do on my own. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> What I saw when working with biggest NGOs in the field that none of >> >>> >> them are ready for rebuilding internet infrastructure when it goes >> >>> >> down, and we have the technology that can be used to rebuild it >> >>> >> much, >> >>> >> much faster, cheaper and the most importantly at scale! >> >>> >> >> >>> >> All other solutions don't scale and are insanely much more >> >>> >> expensive. >> >>> >> I have reseached this field very thoroughly and have talked with >> >>> >> all >> >>> >> stake holders, like Disaster Tech Lab, communication sans >> >>> >> frontières, >> >>> >> Vodafon, Unicef, Red Cross, Green peace and lots and lots of small >> >>> >> NGOs. And none of then have a solution that scales and is >> >>> >> affordable. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> After the refugee crisis has passed we continued working on >> >>> >> MeshPoint. >> >>> >> We also build 3 generation of prototypes, did who knows how much >> >>> >> case >> >>> >> designs and tested lots of boards and routers until we our current >> >>> >> version. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Our current version works amazingly, to he honest much better that >> >>> >> I >> >>> >> expected it to work! This is mostly due to modular design which >> >>> >> offloads traffic to three SoC so even if one if overloaded we still >> >>> >> have two other ones. Also using sector antennas makes a huuuge >> >>> >> difference because you have spatial isolation which increases >> >>> >> number >> >>> >> of users at least 3 fold. Also for conserving power we can always >> >>> >> turn >> >>> >> off any board if necessary. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> So we did our first controlled real world test this summer - and we >> >>> >> got up to 150 clients connected per radio, so that is total of 450 >> >>> >> clients per MeshPoint! We were blown away and after we got these >> >>> >> results. Previously our best case predictions were up to 300 >> >>> >> clients. >> >>> >> But great work that Dave Taht, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen and others >> >>> >> did >> >>> >> on bufferbloat and make-wifi-faster project payed off huge for us! >> >>> >> We >> >>> >> are eternally grateful for their work and all other OpenWrt and >> >>> >> Lede >> >>> >> developers. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Our latest tests are deploying tethered drones to establish long >> >>> >> range >> >>> >> wifi link (check out our Hackaday page for video). We are also >> >>> >> testing >> >>> >> big tethered balloons filled with helium also for establishing long >> >>> >> range wifi links. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> We are now in last stages of testing open source mppt solar charger >> >>> >> for LiFePO4 batteries, this will be most efficient mppt solar >> >>> >> charger, >> >>> >> not most budget sensitive, but definitely most efficient. I saw >> >>> >> that >> >>> >> Electra also designed mppt solar charger, and I'm interested to >> >>> >> compare them both if we manage to get some more people to join us. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Also we are also currently building is solar and battery powered >> >>> >> sensors that can be used to detect forest fires. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> If your boards are available only to developers are there any plans >> >>> >> to >> >>> >> release schematics under some open source licence? We have >> >>> >> experienced >> >>> >> electronics people and we can at least try to build few on our own >> >>> >> and >> >>> >> share our experience and even help make it better. How many layers >> >>> >> does your board use? Four or more? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Cheers, >> >>> >> Valent. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Nicolas Pace <nico(a)libre.ws> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Valent, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Amazing you have contacted us before us contacted you! (I have >> >>> >>> this on >> >>> >>> my todo list for a while!) >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Tue, 2017-10-31 at 03:15 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: >> >>> >>>> Hi good people of Librerouter, >> >>> >>>> I'm founder of MeshPoint - humanitarian open source wifi router >> >>> >>>> (www.meshpoint.me). >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Your project is very interesting, I like the industrial design you >> >>> >>> did >> >>> >>> for your project. >> >>> >>>> My team and I would be very interested in testing your pcb and >> >>> >>>> then >> >>> >>>> seeing if it makes sense for next version of MeshPoint. Currently >> >>> >>>> we >> >>> >>>> use pcb radio boards from TP-LINK CPE210 devices. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Great! >> >>> >>> LibreRouter will do a big difference on the user experience in >> >>> >>> comparison to those devices, in particular because of the >> >>> >>> triple-radio >> >>> >>> design (those are just one radio). >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Are you already using LibreMesh on the CPE210? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> We are also looking into making our own PCB boards, so is makes >> >>> >>>> sense >> >>> >>>> to cooperate on this. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> For sure! We have already gone through the process, so we can >> >>> >>> collaborate on the same design to make it better! >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> Under which open hardware licence have you released LibreRouter? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> Are pcb schematics publicly available? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Not yet, but not because of lack of interest... mainly time. >> >>> >>> For sure will be before we make it available to the public. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> Does Librerouter pcb support POE in and POE passtrough? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Based on the spec, it supports POE and POE passthrough. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> https://librerouter.org/media/documents/librerouter_specifications_v6.p >> >>> >>> df >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> Is it possible to buy or borrow few prototype boards for testing? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> The amount of prototypes we manufactured was very small, and are >> >>> >>> already commited for the development process. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Units will be available very soon. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> If you register on the contact form we will let you know as soon >> >>> >>> as it >> >>> >>> is available: https://librerouter.org/contact/ >> >>> >>> Also would be interesting to explore collaborations. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Regards, >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >>> LibreRouter mailing list >> >>> >>> LibreRouter(a)listas.librerouter.org >> >>> >>> https://listas.librerouter.org/mailman/listinfo/librerouter >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> LibreRouter mailing list >> >>> >> LibreRouter(a)listas.librerouter.org >> >>> >> https://listas.librerouter.org/mailman/listinfo/librerouter >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > LibreRouter mailing list >> >>> > LibreRouter(a)listas.librerouter.org >> >>> > https://listas.librerouter.org/mailman/listinfo/librerouter >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> LibreRouter mailing list >> >>> LibreRouter(a)listas.librerouter.org >> >>> https://listas.librerouter.org/mailman/listinfo/librerouter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> bruno(a)pobox.com ▀─█▄██▄▀▄ >> >> http://brunovianna.net ─█▄██▄▀█▀█▄ >> >> skype: randomico▀─█▄██▄▀█▀█▄▌██─█▌█▌ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> LibreRouter mailing list >> >> LibreRouter(a)listas.librerouter.org >> >> https://listas.librerouter.org/mailman/listinfo/librerouter >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LibreRouter mailing list >> LibreRouter(a)listas.librerouter.org >> https://listas.librerouter.org/mailman/listinfo/librerouter > > > > > -- > > bruno(a)pobox.com ▀─█▄██▄▀▄ > http://brunovianna.net ─█▄██▄▀█▀█▄ > skype: randomico▀─█▄██▄▀█▀█▄▌██─█▌█▌ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > LibreRouter mailing list > LibreRouter(a)listas.librerouter.org > https://listas.librerouter.org/mailman/listinfo/librerouter >