Re: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session

+1 to the AU Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Carlos Rey-Moreno <carlos.reymoreno(a)gmail.com> Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> Date: Monday, June 25, 2018 at 3:07 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> Subject: Re: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session Hi all, a couple of comments: - on the private companies side of things, maybe Ambrr Labs could be the one? I think the solution they are trying to implement to facilitate the compensations in a telecommunications infrastructure managed similarly to a common-pool resource could be consider as a partnership with CNs. The interest in the commons show in this thread (I would curious to read an analysis of IXPs run as commons), plus the fact that it uses blockchain technology that for what I could read after the meeting in RightsCon, is of the interest of people in the list, make it a very good candidate. It would be interesting to have the African Union as a potential intergovernmental organization. ISOC organized a workshop on CNs at their premises last week, and it was very successful. Keeping venues where they can express their support for the movement in public, will be very beneficial for the movement in the continent. Plus Moctar Yedaly is always at the IGF, which makes it easier to consider as a speaker. best, carlos PS: Great to know we are back at 90 minutes!!! :-D On 25 June 2018 at 17:30, Leandro Navarro <leandro(a)pangea.org> wrote: A followup on this. With Roger Baig we're writing on sustainability/scalability (for GISWATCH) and we have done an initial analysis on that for several local CN in several regions inside guifi.net. We can expand it to other networks (outside guifi.net), even compare to IXP and report there. Knowing the deadlines for any submission would help to decide. Kind regards, Leandro. On 25/6/18 16:37, Jane Coffin wrote: Hi Luca/All – See inline…. Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli(a)fgv.br> Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> Date: Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net> Subject: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session Hi Jane, Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent. You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the time to analyse all in depth. My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min is still quite limited… It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines for CN evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this lines, if anyone is willing to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work promoted by ISOC?) *We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG on that. **Remind me of your deadlines? Best, jane It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered by the CN ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre) in my contribution for last year’s DC3 report. It would be great if anyone (amogts the CN cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto Mesh people who apparently are developing their CN in parallel with P2P applications) could draft a short contribution on how to facilitate app generativity. I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on CN scalability and sustainability App and service generation All the best Luca De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Jane Coffin Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> Cc: donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net Assunto: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session Hi Luca – Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉). CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges. In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the: -start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services or ports/other) -Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add (value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery networks. -more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up governance and a clear Internet player. *there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the case for CNs For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner. -“start-up” -Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the network up) -More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased and the platform is managed. Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases in the compendium for future consideration? Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases. The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change. Best, Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli(a)fgv.br> Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net> Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session Hi all, A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session. As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should send a draft session proposal by 29 June. As discussed at Rightscon, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts: presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email) discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges they are facing discussion with potential partners FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!). The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and geographically diverse. I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3. The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description. As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names? As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union. Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included in the discussion https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li… What do you think? Best Luca Luca Belli, PhD Senior Researcher Head of Internet Governance @ FGVluca.belli(a)fgv.br +55 21 3799 5763@1lucabelli _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 -- Carlos Rey-Moreno, PhD "Community and Local Access Networks" Project Coordinator Association for Progressive Communications https://www.apc.org/en/project/local-access-networks-can-unconnected-connec… Cel: +27 (0) 76 986 3633 Skype: carlos.reymoreno Twitter: Creym