Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated Broadband Company in America

Dear Siva, Thank you for taking the time to review and make such thoughtful commentary on the draft paper. We will certainly take your feedback into consideration in producing the final version. Regards... Steve (and Carlos) P.S. Love the parking lot analogy! On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 at 12:34, Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Dear Jane, > > > Please receive the attached comments on the ISOC Spectrum Paper > together with some unverified thoughts. > > Sivasubramanian M > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 2:13 AM Sivasubramanian M < > 6.Internet(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 7:11 AM Jane Coffin &lt;coffin(a)isoc.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hi Siva – >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Hall from NYC Mesh is included in this thread. He can help >>> explain NYCMesh. >>> >>> >>> >>> I fully agree that different connectivity models need to be >>> considered and would add that different policy/regulatory models also need >>> to be considered. It is something we are keenly in favor of 😉 >>> >>> >>> >>> Links to some recent papers on Community Networks also are below and >>> attached is a Spectrum Paper we are looking for feed-back on by 24 August. >>> >> midnight DC time? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Steve Song, Carlos Rey-Moreno, Mike Jensen are the primary authors >>> with direction/collaboration with our team at the Internet Society. Please >>> send me an email if you do have comments for us to consider. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other Resources: >>> >>> Case Study/Article re CN in Georgia: >>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/05/technology/caucuses-mountain… >>> >>> African CN Paper – Partnership with Carlos Rey-Moreno: >>> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/CommunityNetwork… >>> >>> India – CN Paper – Partnership with DEF: >>> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/W4C-Policy-Paper… >>> >>> Licensing Brief: >>> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Unleashing-Commu… >>> >>> Spectrum Approaches for CNs: >>> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Spectrum-Approac… >>> >>> >>> >>> The inputs to the IGF from this Coalition are really great and Luca >>> has the links. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org >>> >>> Skype: janercoffin >>> >>> Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *&lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of >>> Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> *Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < >>> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; >>> *Date: *Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:47 PM >>> *To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < >>> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt;gt;, osama manzar &lt;osamam(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> *Subject: *Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated >>> Broadband Company in America >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Jane, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you for the informative messages and links. DEF has done >>> considerable work in the area of Community Networks, and several networks >>> such as the one that Sarbani has written about exist in India. However >>> there are issues related to the scale and scope of operation, which revolve >>> around the regulatory policies that make it a little difficult to create >>> and operate networks. >>> >>> >>> >>> If I understood well, the NY Mesh network has a supernode from the >>> IXP and its bandwidth comes from the IXP. I am copying this thread to >>> Osama Manzar of DEF to ask if there are examples of Community Networks in >>> India that do not depend on agreements with Telecom Operators / telecom >>> related ISPs, which may not wholeheartedly support Community Networks >>> beyond the notion of small rural networks. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are a few problems that need to be addressed, and a different >>> connectivity model may be required together with ample support from the >>> Telecom ministry for the spread of community networks in India. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:01 PM Jane Coffin &lt;coffin(a)isoc.org&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>> Apologies - I hit send before adding the links: >>> >>> DEF: http://defindia.org/ >>> Video on The Land of Zero Connect: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq27X8CJLTM >>> Link to APC's Community Network Newsletter: >>> https://www.apc.org/en/project/local-access-networks-can-unconnected-connec… >>> ISOC's Community Network site: >>> https://www.internetsociety.org/issues/community-networks/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org >>> >>> Skype: janercoffin >>> >>> Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 >>> >>> On 8/16/18, 11:52 AM, &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf >>> of Jane Coffin" &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf of >>> coffin(a)isoc.org&gt; wrote: >>> >>> To add - you will find a lot of interesting information here at >>> the DEF site: >>> See also this video about a remote area of India and lack of >>> connectivity and Community Networks coming in to help: >>> >>> We often hear these arguments about "coverage". The issue is >>> not just the mobile network footprint (coverage area), but whether the >>> services are affordable, and if end-users have a choice. Community >>> Networks are a viable option in >>> >>> >>> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org >>> >>> Skype: janercoffin >>> >>> Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 >>> >>> On 8/16/18, 11:27 AM, &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on >>> behalf of Sarbani Banerjee Belur" &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net >>> on behalf of sarbanibelur(a)iitb.ac.in&gt; wrote: >>> >>> Hi Sivasubramanian, >>> >>> Community networks does exist in India and it is a >>> sustainable initiative. >>> Gram Marg at IIT Bombay has set up one spanning 10 villages >>> in Palghar, >>> Maharashtra, Digital Empowerment Foundation has set up some >>> as well. There >>> are more going to be set up in this year and the next. These >>> CNs are set >>> up in locations that have no mobile connectivity and are >>> usually in >>> remote, rural villages of India. >>> Local ISPs have come to the rescue and provide bandwidth in >>> such locations. >>> >>> With regards, >>> Sarbani >>> >>> > In Chennai, India, I spoke to someone in an educational >>> institution about >>> > starting a Community Network. He argued that access is no >>> longer a problem >>> > as Telecom companies offer 3G and 4G services everywhere. >>> He wouldn't >>> > listen to arguments concerning the cost and clever pricing >>> models of >>> > access >>> > that indiscernably amass huge sums by microscopic >>> extraction, wouldn't >>> > listen to arguments about nominal and actual bandwidth. >>> He and some >>> > others >>> > take the position that a case does not exist for Community >>> Networks here. >>> > >>> > Happens to be an iconic opinion. It is a challenge to >>> present arguments, >>> > articles such as this are of ample help. >>> > >>> > Sivasubramanian M >>> > >>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 5:20 PM Marco Zennaro < >>> mzennaro(a)ictp.it&gt; wrote: >>> > >>> >> Interesting news: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ne5k5m/consumer-reports-broadban… >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Marco >>> >> >>> >> Marco Zennaro, PhD // Research Officer // T/ICT4D Lab // >>> ICTP // >>> >> wireless.ictp.it >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> DC3 mailing list >>> >> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >>> >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > DC3 mailing list >>> > DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >>> > https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Sarbani Banerjee Belur >>> Senior Project Research Scientist >>> Program Manager >>> Gram Marg: Rural Broadband Project >>> Department of Electrical Engineering >>> IIT Bombay >>> Powai >>> Mumbai 400076 >>> Mob: +91 9867282979 >>> +91 7045620077 >>> Website: www.grammarg.in >>> Homepage: http://homepages.iitb.ac.in/~sarbanibelur/ >>> Blog: sarbanibelur.blogspot.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DC3 mailing list >>> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >>> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DC3 mailing list >>> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >>> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Sivasubramanian M >>> >>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DC3 mailing list >>> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >>> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >>> >> > > -- > Sivasubramanian M > Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > DC3 mailing list > DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net > https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 > -- Steve Song +1 902 529 0046 http://villagetelco.org _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3