Re: [DC3] RES: RES: TEDtalk on “From Net Neutrality to Network Self-determination”

Hi Glenn and all, I like the idea but I would propose enlarging the spectrum of video recording participants, if you agree. There are some truly great experiences/ideas that deserve to be recounted in this coalition and I think that with very little organization (and with you help, of course) we could organize a video recording session to have a DC3 video (or a series of DC# short videos) exploring ideas and experiences on CNs by DC3 members. What do you think? The UNESCO headquarter (and Paris in general) provide a quite nice setting and many of us will be there in November. We have time to organize some pretty cool video recording J I would be very happy to participate to the recording but I would be even happier if also other DC3 members wanted to share their experiences. I think the video o videos offer a very good opportunity that is yet quite unexploited. What do others think? All the best Luca *De:* dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] *Em nome de *Glenn McKnight *Enviada em:* terça-feira, 24 de julho de 2018 09:42 *Para:* Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Assunto:* Re: [DC3] RES: TEDtalk on “From Net Neutrality to Network Self-determination” Hi Luca I would be happy to film you in person given the critical feedback. If you want we can do as a followup to the lecture, not to repeat it but have strawman questions and you can respond. I will have my equipment at ICANN Barcelona and the IGF Paris . You decide G Glenn McKnight NARALO Secretariat mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com http://toronto.ieee.ca/ IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight 289-830 6259 . On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 8:37 AM Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; wrote: Hi Roger, Thanks for the feedback 😊 You are perfectly right regarding the need not to limit CN/network self-determination to marginalised areas. The commons model can fit very well into other realities indeed. However, it is also more common that those who have the initiative to build CNs, and the need to do so, are generally located in areas where connectivity is scarse or very expensive (or discriminatory/non-neutral). Hence my point was simply to highlight the bottom up nature of CNs and the fact that the unconnected can build their own connectivity even when they live in marfinalised areas. I did not me a to limit the potential dimensions or confine CNs only to marginalised communities. (Unfortunately the 13minute format of TEDtalks does not allow to explore every point in detail 😊) As regards your comment on the fact that connectivity has a cost, you are right again but let me clarify that I was not staying the "CNs are open and free by design" to imply absence of costs but rather to stress absence of restrictions imposed by third parties. Unfortunately the Engligh language is misleading: although the adjective is the same, I used "free" as in "free speech " rather than "free beer". So, what I meant was liberty rather than gratuity. Hope this is helpful. All The best Luca ________________________________________ De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de Roger Baig Viñas [roger.baig(a)guifi.net] Enviado: terça-feira, 24 de julho de 2018 6:01 Para: dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net Assunto: Re: [DC3] TEDtalk on “From Net Neutrality to Network Self-determination” -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi Luca, Thanks for daring to take the floor ;-) Few comments: 1) we should pay more attention not to marginalise ourselves in our speeches: CNs (or self-determined networks in your case) are not limited by nature to underserved areas. It is us (in our speeches) that may limit them (by mistake) and this is very convenient for some private interests. 2) in commons: the key point is how the resources are governed under this model, not if you can join them for free or not (another think that we have to always keep in mind in our talks is that everything has a cost, so whatever is realised is paid in one way or another). Best regards On 20/7/18 17:21, Luca Belli wrote: - -- Roger Baig Viñas Fundació Privada per a la Xarxa Oberta, Lliure i Neutral guifi.net _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3