20 Feb
2017
20 Feb
'17
5:39 p.m.
So, for the purpose of DC3 I recognize the importance of working within the traditional
telecom model of networking as a service in order to provide societal benefit.
So I want to be careful to make it clear that my efforts at a deeper understanding and
long term policies are meant to complement such efforts and not disrupt them.
I prefer “first square mile” to shift the focus from pipes. It’s not so much to quibble as
to recognize how much of understanding is implicit in the words we use. When I need to be
careful I avoid the term “networks” and instead talk about the facilities we use to
connect and communicate. But each of those words has semantic loading and implicit
engineering assumptions so I try to call them out only when I see how the limit our
options such as using the term “wireless mesh” in place of the more generic
“connectivity”.
I continue to be amazed at our ability to communicate (in the social sense) despite the
limitations of language.\
BTW, In “Debt: The First 5000 years” Graber noted that such volunteering and informal
relationships are the norm in small communities. Money was invented as construct when
there was less implicit trust.
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To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Subject: Re: [DC3] IEEE/World Bank event
Agree and like the road analogy.
It also may be important to help re-shift the focus from urban centers as the locus, and
to focus people on communities being the “First mile” – something that is being promoted
by First Nations’ communities in Canada. If we can help with a subtle mind-shift that the
pockets of connectivity that connect a community – branch out to connect into larger
communities and that not all are governed the same way. It really is key to have
community networks recognized as legitimate connectivity centers…this will also lead
toward better regulatory/policy conversations and a co-existence vs a competition as it
were for resources (thinking here of spectrum, and/or infra sharing – towers).
Where I come from – the community was so small that we had volunteer police and volunteer
fire-fighters. They were seen as legitimate by the small villages as they needed these
services. Some food for thought ;)
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Date: Monday, February 20, 2017 at 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [DC3] IEEE/World Bank event
Thanks. It is a challenge to get people to think outside the idea of the Internet as
something that flows through pipes. I appreciate any suggestions into how to better
explain the concepts. I’m working on any essay now that positions the Internet as
byproduct of a fundamental conceptual shift (or, if you wish, paradigm)
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I really liked your post, Bob, specifically this line:
"We’re accustomed to thinking of networking as a service and networks as physical
things like railroads with well-defined tracks. The Internet is more like the road system
that emerges from the way we use any path available. We aren’t even confined to roads
thanks to our ability to buy our own off-road vehicles. There is no physical network as
such but rather disparate transports for raw packets which make no promises other than a
best effort to transport packets."
Thanks for sharing!
Best,
-Michael
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Bob Frankston <Bob19-0501(a)bobf.frankston.com
<mailto:Bob19-0501@bobf.frankston.com> > wrote:
I’m active with the IEEE (board of governors of the consumer electronics society) but the
organization is struggling to get past it’s hardware orientation. It is very difficult to
get the traditional players to think of the Internet as anything but another
telecommunications service. I failed with this IEEE initiative. You can get a sense of
this in the enthusiasm for 5G
(http://spectrum.ieee.org/video/telecom/wireless/everything-you-need-to-know…) vs
what I wrote after CES (http://rmf.vc/5GATSC).
The Internet as a byproduct of software and as infrastructure is a very different framing.
It would be good if the IMF could understand that and if you have suggestions for how to
be heard I’m open to suggestions.
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HI Bob,
Historically the IEEE event is held one day before the Fall/spring World Bank/IMF meetings
since the meetings are April 21-23 that leads me to think the IEEE meeting is on April 20,
but best is to ask the IEEE.
It is also likely that the Fall meeting will be on October 12 since the Fall meetings are
on October 13-15 2017
Best,
Judith
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On 2/17/2017 9:31 AM, dc3(a)bob.ma <mailto:dc3@bob.ma> wrote:
April 20? I need to learn more ASAP because I was about to sign up for an event in
California April 19-21st that has a deadline of today. But from my experience these events
are set pieces rather than places to effect real change. And given the current policy
climate …
I see some of the usual suspects on the list from last year – is it a good opportunity for
effective hall conversations? It's really about the networking and conversations
rather than the presentations. That's what made IGF so valuable – meeting the others
on this list.
I have toyed with working with ISOC on organizing a workshop on connectivity as
infrastructure but not sure if I can do any better. Having real deployments speaks a lot
louder.
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Subject: Re: [DC3] IEEE/World Bank event
Hi Michael,
This email was for last years event. The IEEE and the world bank hold this event twice a
year timed with the fall and spring world bank/imf meetings. This year the meetings are
April 20. I do not think the announcement is out yet about the April meeting. I will be
attending. I have attended the two previous events
Best,
Judith
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On Feb 17, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia(a)gmail.com
<mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com> > wrote:
Hi everyone,
Is anyone planning on attending this (including you Bob)? It might be a good
networking/outreach activity:
IEEE, in conjunction with the World Bank, will be holding the Global Connect Stakeholders:
Advancing Solutions event in Washington, DC, on 13-14 April
http://internetinitiative.ieee.org/events/conferences/global-connect-stakeh…
Best,
-Michael
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