Re: [DC3] ITU Council seeking input on how Community Networks increase Internet connectivity

In my article I explain that the telecom business model is fundamentally flawed – you cannot make money by selling services if people do it themselves in their devices. And trying to make each wire a profit center makes no sense. CNs must do something entirely different and take an infrastructure approach. The community as a whole pays for the infrastructure as a whole because the value is in the whole. It’s the model we use for sidewalks etc. But, in today’s world, one needs to buy further passage from a carrier that has been granted monopoly control over your ability to communicate. The key is to recognize that you are not buying services but commodity connectivity – the same thing the carriers resale hundreds of times at retail you buy at wholesale and the community benefits from the arbitrage. The bonus is that the community facilities are now fee to use. Note that this is home (and corporate and campus) networks work – you were supposed to pay a monthly fee for each device but once I put the NAT there they can’t do that. Instead you should think of your home network as a community facility (your home is the community) and you buy a single fat pipe to the world at far lower than have a subscription for each PC and lightbulb. But at home it is still monopoly-priced. Larger communities that own the rights of way have far more bargaining power. As to those content providers etc., investing. There is some enlightened altruism in wanting to increase their customer base but, overall, it’s old model because they are just buying fast lanes. They don’t understand how much they’d benefit from open connectivity because they don’t have the concepts but, for now, let’s focus on CNs. Bob Frankston <https://Frankston.com> https://Frankston.com From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.netOn Behalf Of Sylvia Cadena Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 20:51 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.netSubject: Re: [DC3] ITU Council seeking input on how Community Networks increase Internet connectivity Not sure how CN can be “free” from the Telecom model (which I am not sure it can be generalized that much… ISPs, mobile operators, satellite and submarine cable companies business models are quite different). It will be great to learn how you define it. CNs are getting their Internet connectivity from someone and have a responsibility to provide services to their communities, so even if they operate under a different / innovative / ethical / purpose driven business model and under supportive regulatory provisions, they are part of an ecosystem. That ecosystem could really benefit from a call for action from CNs to look at how it can still be possible to define a business model that is guided by purpose and ethics over one based on profit and greed. I am curious about what the DC members have discussed around the access initiatives that content providers and social media platforms are heavily investing in -which are linked to their suits of products, content and tools- and if they see that new business model for global delivery but centralized in US companies will favour -or not- CNs in particular? I have not read the link from the article Bob shared below, but will do… thanks for sharing. Always interested to read your analysis. Regards, Sylvia ________________________________________________________________________ Sylvia Cadena | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs | sylvia(a)apnic.net <mailto:sylvia@apnic.net> | <http://www.apnic.foundationhttp://www.apnic.foundation ISIF Asia, WSIS Champion on International Cooperation 2018 & 2019 | <http://www.isif.asia> http://www.isif.asia | FB ISIF.asia | @ISIF_Asia | G+ ISIFAsia | 6 Cordelia Street, South Brisbane, QLD, 4101 Australia | PO Box 3646 | +10 GMT | skypeID: sylviacadena | Tel: +61 7 3858 3100 | Fax: +61 7 3858 3199 * Love trees. Print only if necessary. From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net&lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> Date: Sunday, 29 November 2020 at 1:26 am To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> Subject: Re: [DC3] ITU Council seeking input on how Community Networks increase Internet connectivity Bob, In addition to that, the participants of this Coalition may also have far reaching ideas on potential of the Community Networks model to benefit from what starts as a connectivity initiative, to further evolve in creative ways to strengthen the communities in multiple ways, by way of collaborating to raise standards of education, significantly improve social and economic well being, and the potential by inter-community and global interaction. This might happen in two dimensions: 1) better connectivity paves way for better collaboration within and across communities. 2) If the communities come together to build networks, they could also come together to bring about innovations in agriculture, education and local business. <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sivasubramanianmuthusamy/> Sivasubramanian M <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com> 6.Internet(a)gmail.com <http://twitter.com/shivaindia> twitter.com/shivaindia On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 8:46 PM &lt;dc3(a)bob.ma <mailto:dc3@bob.ma> > wrote: I strongly agree with being free of the telecom model. I’m planning to post this more widely soon – <https://rmf.vc/IEEE5GPasthttps://rmf.vc/IEEE5GPast. We need to think about infrastructure rather than networking as a service. Bob Frankston <https://Frankston.com> https://Frankston.com From: <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.netdc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net < <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.netdc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; On Behalf Of sivasubramanian muthusamy Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 09:02 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.netSubject: Re: [DC3] ITU Council seeking input on how Community Networks increase Internet connectivity In providing inputs with success stories, the DC could also emphasize that the CNs would thrive far better in their non-traditional model, free of the patterns of the telecom regulatory model. On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:23 PM Luca Belli < <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.brluca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; wrote: Hi Carlos, Thanks for sharing this! Indeed I uploaded the contributions more than one month ago but it really took weeks to have them displayed on the contributions page you shared!! I received a confirmation email but I checked several times the ITU website and it is the first time I am seing them displayed!! Great mystery... I think another easy way to contribute would be for ISOC regional bueraus to use the regional CN reports we drafted as contributions. <mailto:coffin@isoc.org> @Jane Coffin do you think you colleagues can submit the LatAm and Africa reports as contributions? The LatAm is below. Cannot find the African report Carlos drafted. Are there other reports? <https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/doc/2018/community-networks-in-la tin-america/https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/doc/2018/community-networks-in-lat in-america/ <https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/doc/2018/community-networks-in-la tin-america/> <https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/doc/2018/community-networks-in-la tin-america/> Community Networks in Latin America | Internet Society 2019 Impact Report: Community Networks. Community networks — networks built, managed, and used by local communities — are cornerstones of the Internet Society’s work. <http://www.internetsociety.org> www.internetsociety.org Best Luca Luca Belli, PhD Professor of Internet Governance and Regulation +55 21 3799 5763 t <https://twitter.com/1lucabelli> @1lucabelli Praia de Botafogo, 190 13º andar Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro, RJ - CEP: 22250-900 <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> luca.belli(a)fgv.br <http://www.cyberbrics.info/> www.cyberBRICS.info | <http://www.CPDP.latwww.CPDP.lat _____ De: <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.netdc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net < <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.netdc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; em nome de Carlos Rey-Moreno < <mailto:carlos.reymoreno@gmail.com> carlos.reymoreno(a)gmail.comEnviado: sexta-feira, 27 de novembro de 2020 07:01 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.netAssunto: Re: [DC3] ITU Council seeking input on how Community Networks increase Internet connectivity Hi everyone, great to see the contribution from DC3 already listed in the submissions made to this process! <https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/consultation-sep2020.aspx https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/consultation-sep2020.aspx Also some other colleagues have contributed too! Thanks all! I would encourage anyone from the list to make a submission as well, so the voices from the CN movement are heard by the ITU and balance the voices of those that do not want CNs to thrill. Just by reviewing the submission from GSMA <https://www.itu.int/en/Lists/consultationSep2020/Attachments/9/GSMA%20Contr ibution%20to%20CWG-Internet%20-%2013.08.2020.pdfhttps://www.itu.int/en/Lists/consultationSep2020/Attachments/9//GSMA%20Contr ibution%20to%20CWG-Internet%20-%2013.08.2020.pdf , one can read: "Community Networks are a specific solution to often unique geographical, commercial, and/or logistical challenges in delivering connectivity, strongly depending on engaged individuals. These unique characteristics are limiting their scalability and applicability as a general policy mechanism to expand internet access to over 600 million people. Regulations and supporting policies should equally empower community networks and operators in ways that do not impair connectivity expansion initiatives through large-scale commercial networks, for example, by carefully assessing the risk of underusing scarce spectrum resources set aside for community networks." Deadline is 15th December. best, carlos On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 09:56, Carlos < <mailto:carlos@apc.orgcarlos(a)apc.org&gt; wrote: Hi everyone, After all the noise some of us have made at national, regional and international Internet Governance spaces, it looks like the ITU Council wants to hear directly “How can small/community/non-profit operators help in promoting the increase of Internet connectivity?” This poses an unique opportunity to showcase directly to the ITU Council all the amazing work that most of you are doing, specially at times where CNs are gaining more and more visibility to curve the digital divide and rural marginalization that is now more and more apparent due to the pandemic. And I say directly because this request is made through one of the very few consultations the ITU open to all stakeholders: the Open Public Consultation of the Council Working Group on International Internet-related Public Policy Issues (CWG-Internet). I provide a bit of background about it below for those who are interested. The consultation is structured as a set of questions, one of them the one included above, available in the following link: <https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/consultation-sep2020.aspx https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/consultation-sep2020.aspx where you can also find important information and instructions on the submission process. I think it is strategically important that the ITU receives as many contributions from each of us as possible highlighting the many different ways community operators help in promoting the increase of Internet connectivity. This will surely contribute in creating a more policy and regulatory environment for community networks in each of your countries. I’ve copied some of the basic instructions to participate below. Participating can be as easy as forwarding existing text you may have written (the GISWatch country report for those of you who wrote it: <https://www.giswatch.org/community-networkshttps://www.giswatch.org/community-networks) to the email address below. Note that your online submission can be drafted in a UN language other than English (these are Arabic, Chinese, French, Russian and Spanish), but you are encouraged (not obliged) to provide a translation in English for the benefit of all readers. At APC we are available to provide support to any of you wanting to make a submission but struggling with the process. Please do not hesitate to reach out to me directly. Best, carlos == Basic instructions == You can include your responses to the questions into the online form in the following link : <https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/form-oct2019.aspxhttps://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/form-oct2019.aspx OR send it to <mailto:InternetPublicViews@itu.int> InternetPublicViews(a)itu.int including your Full Name, Title, Country and Organization you are representing. Your response will then be published on the ITU Website: <https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/consultation-sep2020.aspx https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/consultation-sep2020.aspx Please include each submission also includes a short summary/abstract (1-3 paragraphs). This will form part of the final summary document to be published after the end of the physical open consultation meeting. == Background == ITU Council Working Groups There are different Working Groups set up to provide input to the ITU Council in different matters. In the last last Council Group (February, 2020) meeting four appeared to be active [1]: - Council Working Group on International Internet-related Public Policy Issues (CWG-Internet) - Council working group on Child Online Protection (WG-CP) - Council Working Group on WSIS (WG-WSIS) - Council Working Group on Financial and Human Resources (CWG-FHR) The participation in those working groups varies and some are for Members States (MS) only, others allow for the participation of Sector Members (too). CWG-Internet is limited to Member States, but they hold an open consultation to all stakeholders. This poses one of the few opportunities for Civil Society Organizations that are not Sector Members of the ITU to present their views to the ITU Council. In most other ITU’s consultations, organizations such as the Association for Progressive Communications and the Internet Society, both with Sector Member status do their best to bring the voice of the Civil Society in general, and of community networks in particular to these spaces. In particular, CWG-Internet is tasked to identify, study and develop matters related to international Internet-related public policy issues and to disseminate its outputs throughout ITU's membership, as well as to report annually to the Council on activities undertaken on these subjects [2] [3]. The 13th Session of the ITU Council Working Group on International Internet-related Public Policy Issues (CWG-Internet) decided on 20 September 2019 to hold an open consultation (online and physical) on “International internet-related public policy issues on harnessing new and emerging telecommunications/ICTs for sustainable development” where some of our contributions provided already content in relation to community connectivity [4]. In the 13th Session it was also decided that the next round of Open Consultations (February 2020 – August 2020), on the topic of “Expanding Internet Connectivity” with the questions below: [5] Expanding Internet Connectivity - What are the challenges and opportunities for expanding Internet connectivity, particularly to remote and under-served areas? What are the roles of governments and non-government actors in overcoming these challenges? - Are there particular challenges facing land-locked countries in securing affordable Internet access? What can be done to overcome these challenges? - How can small/community/non-profit operators help in promoting the increase of Internet connectivity? [1] <https://www.itu.int/en/council/Pages/groups.aspxhttps://www.itu.int/en/council/Pages/groups.aspx [2] <https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/default.aspxhttps://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/default.aspx [3] <https://www.itu.int/md/S19-CL-C-0136/enhttps://www.itu.int/md/S19-CL-C-0136/en [4] <https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/consultation-oct2019.aspx https://www.itu.int/en/council/cwg-internet/Pages/consultation-oct2019.aspx [5] <https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-s/md/19/rclintpol13/c/S19-RCLINTPOL13-C-001 3!!MSW-E.docxhttps://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-s/md/19/rclintpol13/c/S19-RCLINTPOL13-C-0013 !!MSW-E.docx -- Carlos Rey-Moreno, PhD Local Access Policy and Regulation Coordinator Association for Progressive Communications <https://www.apc.org/en/project/connecting-unconnected-supporting-community- networks-and-other-community-based-connectivityhttps://www.apc.org/en/project/connecting-unconnected-supporting-community-n etworks-and-other-community-based-connectivity Cel: +27 (0) 76 986 3633 Skype: carlos.reymoreno Twitter: Creym _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 -- Carlos Rey-Moreno, PhD "Community and Local Access Networks" Project Coordinator Association for Progressive Communications <https://www.apc.org/en/project/local-access-networks-can-unconnected-connec t-themselveshttps://www.apc.org/en/project/local-access-networks-can-unconnected-connect -themselves Cel: +27 (0) 76 986 3633 Skype: carlos.reymoreno Twitter: Creym _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3