Re: [DC3] RES: Fwd: RES: IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!!

Before we can have a declaration we need to have a shared vocabulary. I realize that we have conceptual challenges in finding common ground because the generative opportunity exemplified by the Internet is outside the common understanding of connectivity. One issue is the very concept of telecommunications vs. the Internet. What does “for-profit” mean? Another is the question of what open access means. Does the agenda include asking the IEEE and Springer-Verlag to change their business models? That may indeed be a worthy but we need to be very careful about conflating disparate agendas. This is why I like Altermundi as a simple example of a local effort with reachable goals that can set an example. And it’s outside the telco paradigm. I’d like to learn about other efforts which are sustainable without having a third party in the path who blocks connectivity until a fee is paid for that connection. I’m working on a related project for a housing complex. What other efforts provide open connectivity without any barriers in the way be they security barriers, paywalls or even “agree” screens. Those work for the web but not the larger connectivity. Local connectivity is implement independent of whether it provides “access” to the rest of the world. Access, in a sense, is a use case. From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] On Behalf Of Jane Coffin Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 14:22 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt;et>; steve(a)villagetelco.org Cc: Ermanno Pietrosemoli &lt;ermanno(a)gmail.com&gt;om>; Marco Zennaro &lt;mzennaro(a)ictp.it&gt; Subject: Re: [DC3] RES: Fwd: RES: IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!! I like the idea of a Guadalajara declaration of principles. Internet Society | <http://www.internetsociety.org> www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: < <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of Luca Belli < <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 1:13 PM To: " <mailto:steve@villagetelco.org> steve(a)villagetelco.org&quot; < <mailto:steve@villagetelco.org> steve(a)villagetelco.org&gt;gt;, Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Cc: " <mailto:ermanno@gmail.com> ermanno(a)gmail.com&quot; < <mailto:ermanno@gmail.com> ermanno(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;, Marco Zennaro < <mailto:mzennaro@ictp.it> mzennaro(a)ictp.it&gt; Subject: [DC3] RES: Fwd: RES: IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!! Hi Steve and all, I like and support wholeheartedly your proposal to have a declaration setting “conditions” for CN to thrive. I suggest starting with the definition of a set of “principles” rather than “conditions”. In early July, I proposed to develop some principles and definitions that we could present as DC3-outcomes at the IGF. Here is the basic plan <https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/DC3_definitions> https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/DC3_definitions Steve, would you have time to help preparing a Draft 0 that can be circulated for comments? I know netCommons friends had a very productive workshop, from which some excellent ideas emerged <http://netcommons.eu/?q=content/workshop-community-networking-infrastructures> http://netcommons.eu/?q=content/workshop-community-networking-infrastructur… Perhaps they can also be interested in helping sketching an early version of the principles? We have 4 months until the IGF and I think it is enough to elaborate (at least) a set of principles. What do you think? Best Luca <http://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Marca_FGV_Direito_Rio.png> Luca Belli, PhD Senior Researcher Head of <http://internet-governance.fgv.br/> Internet Governance @ FGV <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> luca.belli(a)fgv.br +55 21 3799 5763 <http://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Ondas.png> De: <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [ <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Steve Song Enviada em: segunda-feira, 15 de agosto de 2016 09:19 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Cc: Ermanno Pietrosemoli < <mailto:ermanno@gmail.com> ermanno(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;; Marco Zennaro < <mailto:mzennaro@ictp.it> mzennaro(a)ictp.it&gt; Assunto: [DC3] Fwd: RES: IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!! Full day workshop sounds like a great idea. One of the things we talked about at the Go Local! event was the possibility of coming up with a set of model conditions for local telco initiatives to thrive. This might range from Open Access policies around fibre backbones to reduced importation taxes on unlicensed equipment to license fees that favour small and/or non-profit organisations engaged in connectivity. One possibility would be to come up with a set of principles / recommendations / conditions necessary to the growth of "local telco" initiatives, both community and for-profit and build some momentum around the idea/declaration. In the past advocates for change have used a "declaration" to move an agenda forward. For Open Access academic publishing, a diverse set of actors developed a set of principles known as the Budapest Open Access Initiative ( <http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/> http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/) to make common cause around access to scholarly materials and similarly groups involved in Open Education came up with the Cape Town Declaration on Open Education ( <http://www.capetowndeclaration.org/> http://www.capetowndeclaration.org/). There are others. The point is that the "declaration" allowed a number of disparate groups to make common cause on an issue and became a rallying banner. Perhaps we might come up with a Guadalajara Declaration on local telcos or last mile diversity or bottom-up networks or, or, or. It would take a lot of work prior to the event to build consensus but might be worth doing. Thoughts? Regards... Steve On 11 August 2016 at 14:53, Raoul Plommer < <mailto:plommer@gmail.com> plommer(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Sounds good and hopefully I can make it! :) -Raoul On 11 August 2016 at 20:06, Luca Belli < <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; wrote: Hi Carlos and all, A couple of days ago, I had an off-list conversation with Jane and Mike and we thought about proposing an IGF pre-event on the afternoon of 5 December and follow-up with APC Disco-Tech https://www.apc.org/en/news/highlights-2013-disco-tech What do you and other list-member think? All the best Luca De: <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto: <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Carlos Rey-Moreno Enviada em: quinta-feira, 11 de agosto de 2016 11:38 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Cc: <mailto:ermanno@gmail.com> ermanno(a)gmail.com; Steve Song < <mailto:stevesong@nsrc.org> stevesong(a)nsrc.org&gt;gt;; Marco Zennaro < <mailto:mzennaro@ictp.it> mzennaro(a)ictp.it&gt; Assunto: Re: [DC3] IGF workshop proposal accepted!!!! Hi Jane et al, I think your idea is great. I had the chance to participate in a similar event organized by Steve and Peter in 2014 around ACMDev and GAIA in Berkeley ( <http://decentralizethis.org/Go_Local!_Workshop> http://decentralizethis.org/Go_Local!_Workshop) and the energy and knowledge I gathered at that event is still with me. If I can choose I would prefer the event to be before IGF. By the way, these are the videos from CNs in Africa that I know about, maybe you can add them to your list: - The BBC dedicated one of their Click Programs to one of the most important Community Netowrks in Africa: Macha Works, in Macha, Zambia: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei4Inh3W03M> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei4Inh3W03M - Video about Tunapandanet, a mesh network in Kibera, Kenya: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKcdLC48fzo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKcdLC48fzo - We have also created a documentary about Zenzeleni Networks, the CN I'm personally involved in, located in Mankosi, South Africa: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxTPSWMX26M> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxTPSWMX26M All the best, calros On 2 August 2016 at 19:00, Nicolás Echániz < <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net> nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net&gt; wrote: On 07/29/2016 11:37 AM, Jane Coffin wrote: Hi all, I believe it is a good idea to have day-long roundtable meetings (similar to what we had in Bogotá a few months ago). But I would propose that we consider a more detailed agenda that considers what we have been doing and the plans that are already in place so we can focus on moving forward. During the Bogotá meeting we proposed to use the Wiki to keep track of projects and initiatives and I did this only partially: <http://dc3.libre.social> http://dc3.libre.social BTW, Ernmanno and Marco, you are more than welcome to join the DC3 mailing list! <https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 Cheers, Nico _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 -- Carlos Rey-Moreno, PhD PostDoctoral Fellow University of the Western Cape Zenzeleni Networks: <http://zenzeleni.net> zenzeleni.net <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxTPSWMX26M> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxTPSWMX26M Cel: <tel:%2B27%20%280%29%2076%20986%203633> +27 (0) 76 986 3633 Skype: carlos.reymoreno Twitter: Creym _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 -- <tel:%2B1%20902%20529%200046> +1 902 529 0046 <mailto:stevesong@nsrc.org> stevesong(a)nsrc.org <http://nsrc.org> http://nsrc.org -- Steve Song +1 902 529 0046 <http://villagetelco.org> http://villagetelco.org