Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated Broadband Company in America

Dear Leandro, On Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 4:10 PM Leandro Navarro <leandro(a)pangea.org> wrote: The above link is broken, and also the link to remix architecture from the page https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/good-practice-remix-dist…

Several community networks, as they grow, aggregate more traffic, buy more All these are good examples to follow. The goals of good community networks such as guifi.net's goal of "promoting advanced research in the filed of open networks and infrastructures, and that of generating collaboration platforms between stakeholders" worth expanded attention. There could be a concerted effort for advanced research, and there could be a globally unified platform for collaboration on Community Networks. The Internet Society could help build one, using voluteer effort and open source technologies. It would be helpful to understand what this 'higher scale' is (For example, See-Me-We 4 has a design capacity of 4.6 TBPS / s . Would it be too insignificant for this network to provide a strand of 100 GBPS/s ? for we will eventually get there, and surpass this scale (one or two new Community Networks with higher aspirations could even start at the beach front) What is the typical cost of a 1GB / 10 GBPS switch at an IXP? Do IXPs > everywhere offer supernodes to Community Networks? > > CNs can participate in IXPs just like any other member org. The price of > ports in IXP I understand depend on the size and specific infra costs of > that IXP (size is really diverse). Many IXPs are also distributed (PoP in > multiple locations). These are from our local IXP: > http://www.catnix.net/en/taxes/ > > In addition, the transport/peering costs in the IXP vary depending on the > symmetry of traffic. For instance, I remember talking to Freifunk in Berlin > 1-2 years ago, and they were paying net 0 for traffic (without entering > into details) as they have a very symmetric traffic (a good balance between > content they deliver and they request, the so called "eyeballs"). > > Would be helpful if any of the submarine networks or its partners and > IXPs share their pricing roughly. > > Many of these prices can be collected or guessed from diverse sources. If > you investigate that it would be useful to share the results. > > Kind regards, Leandro. > > > > Sivasubramanian M > > >> They're not the only ones. In >> https://www.measurementlab.net/publications/2015-Braem-et-al.pdf with >> independent data from M-Lab, you can see that 3 CNs are among the best >> operators in their countries in quality (e.g. section 4.2 pg 5, Figure 10 >> pg 6). We say: "The three networks are among the top eight ISPs in >> download speed. guifi.net is ranked first in Spain both in median >> upload speed and best median latency; Ninux (FusoLab) is ranked second in >> upload, and fourth in best latency; AWMN (part of LANCOM) is first in >> upload speed, 8th in best latency. In the area of Barcelona, where >> guifi.net has its connections to Internet carriers, the results are >> excellent: first in upload speed (guifi.net 7.82 Mbps, the Academic >> network 4.23 and Cableuropa ONO 3.31), third in download speed >> (Cableuropa-ONO 18.1 Mbps, the Academic network 9.8, guifi.net 9.79) >> and first in best latency (guifi.net 14 ms, Vodafone 25, Cableuropa-ONO >> 35)". >> >> That is something known in the world of free software. There are free >> implementations that are superior to commercial ones (Android is based on >> GNU/Linux, let's see when Movistar is based on the infrastructure of >> guifi.net...). All commercial software products are built from free >> software, built openly and cooperatively (as commons), because that seems >> to be the only way to have robust enough software infrastructures/libraries >> at a reasonable cost/quality to build stable products on top. >> >> Cheers, Leandro. >> On 16/8/18 17:27, Sarbani Banerjee Belur wrote: >> >> Hi Sivasubramanian, >> >> Community networks does exist in India and it is a sustainable initiative. >> Gram Marg at IIT Bombay has set up one spanning 10 villages in Palghar, >> Maharashtra, Digital Empowerment Foundation has set up some as well. There >> are more going to be set up in this year and the next. These CNs are set >> up in locations that have no mobile connectivity and are usually in >> remote, rural villages of India. >> Local ISPs have come to the rescue and provide bandwidth in such locations. >> >> With regards, >> Sarbani >> >> >> In Chennai, India, I spoke to someone in an educational institution about >> starting a Community Network. He argued that access is no longer a problem >> as Telecom companies offer 3G and 4G services everywhere. He wouldn't >> listen to arguments concerning the cost and clever pricing models of >> access >> that indiscernably amass huge sums by microscopic extraction, wouldn't >> listen to arguments about nominal and actual bandwidth. He and some >> others >> take the position that a case does not exist for Community Networks here. >> >> Happens to be an iconic opinion. It is a challenge to present arguments, >> articles such as this are of ample help. >> >> Sivasubramanian M >> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 5:20 PM Marco Zennaro <mzennaro(a)ictp.it> <mzennaro(a)ictp.it> wrote: >> >> >> Interesting news: >> >> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ne5k5m/consumer-reports-broadban… >> >> Cheers, >> Marco >> >> Marco Zennaro, PhD // Research Officer // T/ICT4D Lab // ICTP //wireless.ictp.it >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DC3 mailing listDC3@listas.altermundi.nethttps://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DC3 mailing listDC3@listas.altermundi.nethttps://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DC3 mailing list >> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> > > > -- > Sivasubramanian M > Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > DC3 mailing listDC3@listas.altermundi.nethttps://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 > >