Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated Broadband Company in America

Hi Siva –   Thank you for this.   From what I have seen – 5G seems to be an urban solution with some heavy equipment costs (still in projection phase).   Have you seen any presentations on 5G and rural solutions? Best, Jane     Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype:  janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp:  +1.202.247.8429   *From: *&lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com&gt; *Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Date: *Monday, August 27, 2018 at 6:17 PM *To: *&quot;steve(a)villagetelco.org&quot; &lt;steve(a)villagetelco.org&gt;rg>, Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Subject: *Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated Broadband Company in America   I am not sure if the attached Qualcomm presentation by Yongbin Wei has already been shared by any one in this mailing list. Found this, interesting because it talks about horizontal and vertical spectrum sharing, says MM bands are naturally more suitable for sharing, talks about Spatial Division Multiplexing, others on this list might understand all this better...   Aspire and take CNs to 5G ????   On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:57 PM Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Steve,   Thank you for your kind words.   I took time to respond to your message as I was spending time on http://villagetelco.org <http://villagetelco.org/> .  Watched the video on the front page, and it was fascinating to learn that mesh potato also doubles as some form of a local telecom intranet.     Long before messenger, skype and whatsapp, sometime during 2000, a friend from Montreal told me that his telecom provider bundled wireless in his cellular telephone, and provided the ability for the subscribers to use the phone as a phone, and also as a wireless handset, with options (don't recollect if it was for the extended cellular range or for the limited wireless range, and not sure if the wireless range was different from the cellular range) for each subscriber to choose five other subscribers as an inner network, flip a button and talk to any of them, and the four others in turn had the ability to choose their own circle of five friends.    Mesh potato enhances the value of the Community Networks by enabling local communications. When the Internet of Community Networks is bundled with LAN features, and even more, with close circle network features, the value of the Community Network surpasses that of commercial networks. Just a thought. ( I am also reading your hardware specifications with interest.)   Sivasubramanian M   On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 10:50 PM Steve Song &lt;steve(a)villagetelco.org <mailto:steve@villagetelco.org>> wrote: Dear Siva,   Thank you for taking the time to review and make such thoughtful commentary on the draft paper.  We will certainly take your feedback into consideration in producing the final version.   Regards... Steve (and Carlos)   P.S.  Love the parking lot analogy!   On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 at 12:34, Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Jane,     Please receive the attached comments on the ISOC Spectrum Paper together with some unverified thoughts.   Sivasubramanian M   On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 2:13 AM Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com>> wrote:   On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 7:11 AM Jane Coffin &lt;coffin(a)isoc.org <mailto:coffin@isoc.org>> wrote: Hi Siva –   Brian Hall from NYC Mesh is included in this thread.  He can help explain NYCMesh.   I fully agree that different connectivity models need to be considered and would add that different policy/regulatory models also need to be considered.  It is something we are keenly in favor of 😉   Links to some recent papers on Community Networks also are below and attached is a Spectrum Paper we are looking for feed-back on by 24 August.  midnight DC time?    Thanks.     Steve Song, Carlos Rey-Moreno, Mike Jensen are the primary authors with direction/collaboration with our team at the Internet Society.  Please send me an email if you do have comments for us to consider.   Other Resources: Case Study/Article re CN in Georgia:  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/05/technology/caucuses-mountain… African CN Paper – Partnership with Carlos Rey-Moreno:  https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/CommunityNetwork… India – CN Paper – Partnership with DEF:  https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/W4C-Policy-Paper… Licensing Brief:  https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Unleashing-Commu… Spectrum Approaches for CNs:  https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Spectrum-Approac…   The inputs to the IGF from this Coalition are really great and Luca has the links.   Best, Jane         Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org> Skype:  janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp:  +1.202.247.8429   *From: *&lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com>> *Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> *Date: *Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:47 PM *To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>, osama manzar &lt;osamam(a)gmail.com <mailto:osamam@gmail.com>> *Subject: *Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated Broadband Company in America   Dear Jane,   Thank you for the informative messages and links. DEF has done considerable work in the area of Community Networks, and several networks such as the one that Sarbani has written about exist in India. However there are issues related to the scale and scope of operation, which revolve around the regulatory policies that make it a little difficult to create and operate networks.    If I understood well, the NY Mesh network has a supernode from the IXP and its bandwidth comes from the IXP.   I am copying this thread to Osama Manzar of DEF to ask if there are examples of Community Networks in India that do not depend on agreements with Telecom Operators / telecom related ISPs, which may not wholeheartedly support Community Networks beyond the notion of small rural networks.    There are a few problems that need to be addressed, and a different connectivity model may be required together with ample support from the Telecom ministry for the spread of community networks in India.    Thank you.           On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:01 PM Jane Coffin &lt;coffin(a)isoc.org <mailto:coffin@isoc.org>> wrote: Apologies - I hit send before adding the links: DEF:  http://defindia.org/ Video on The Land of Zero Connect:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq27X8CJLTM Link to APC's Community Network Newsletter:  https://www.apc.org/en/project/local-access-networks-can-unconnected-connec… ISOC's Community Network site:  https://www.internetsociety.org/issues/community-networks/ Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org> Skype:  janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp:  +1.202.247.8429 On 8/16/18, 11:52 AM, &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Jane Coffin" &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of coffin(a)isoc.org <mailto:coffin@isoc.org>> wrote:     To add - you will find a lot of interesting information here at the DEF site:     See also this video about a remote area of India and lack of connectivity and Community Networks coming in to help:     We often hear these arguments about "coverage".  The issue is not just the mobile network footprint (coverage area), but whether the services are affordable, and if end-users have a choice.  Community Networks are a viable option in     Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org>     Skype:  janercoffin     Mobile/WhatsApp:  +1.202.247.8429     On 8/16/18, 11:27 AM, &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Sarbani Banerjee Belur" &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of sarbanibelur(a)iitb.ac.in <mailto:sarbanibelur@iitb.ac.in>> wrote:         Hi Sivasubramanian,         Community networks does exist in India and it is a sustainable initiative.         Gram Marg at IIT Bombay has set up one spanning 10 villages in Palghar,         Maharashtra, Digital Empowerment Foundation has set up some as well. There         are more going to be set up in this year and the next. These CNs are set         up in locations that have no mobile connectivity and are usually in         remote, rural villages of India.         Local ISPs have come to the rescue and provide bandwidth in such locations.         With regards,         Sarbani someone in an educational institution about argued that access is no longer a problem 4G services everywhere. He wouldn't cost and clever pricing models of by microscopic extraction,  wouldn't and actual bandwidth.  He and some not exist for Community Networks here. is a challenge to present arguments, help. Zennaro &lt;mzennaro(a)ictp.it <mailto:mzennaro@ictp.it>> wrote: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ne5k5m/consumer-reports-broadban… Officer // T/ICT4D Lab // ICTP // <http://wireless.ictp.it> _______________________________________________ <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3         --         Dr. Sarbani Banerjee Belur         Senior Project Research Scientist         Program Manager         Gram Marg: Rural Broadband Project         Department of Electrical Engineering         IIT Bombay         Powai         Mumbai 400076         Mob: +91 9867282979              +91 7045620077         Website: www.grammarg.in <http://www.grammarg.in>         Homepage: http://homepages.iitb.ac.in/~sarbanibelur/ <http://homepages.iitb.ac.in/%7Esarbanibelur/>         Blog: sarbanibelur.blogspot.com <http://sarbanibelur.blogspot.com>         _______________________________________________         DC3 mailing list         DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net>         https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3   -- Sivasubramanian M Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com>   _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3   -- Sivasubramanian M Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com>   _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 -- Steve Song +1 902 529 0046 http://villagetelco.org _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3   -- Sivasubramanian M Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com>     -- Sivasubramanian M Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com>   _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3