Re: [DC3] IEEE/World Bank event

We need to be careful about taking analogies speech and relaying speech when we talk about connectivity. We’re not relaying speech, we’re relaying meaningless generic packets. This makes all the difference in the world. To the extent to which we are in the legacy telecom framing we do having speech being controlled by providers so understand the need to deal with it on those terms. But fungible connectivity using generic packets doesn’t have the same ability to exclude so we can work on connectivity separate from particular social policies. We still need to deal with the social issues but on their own terms. http://rmf.vc/PurposeVsDiscovery might help with understanding this. Once we outside of telecom we still need to deal with the social issues on their own terms apart from the technology. As well as other consequences. As an aside it’s interesting that JCR Licklider and Bob Taylor who played key roles in giving us the Internet were both acoustic psychologists. They studied how the brain interprets noises as speech. One of the things at MIT when I was there were the “language wars” with Chomsky on the formalist side. I sided with the AI and psycholinguists (like Lick but he had moved on to computers by then). Lakoff and Papert were also on the AI / Psycholinguistics side. I mention this because it’s part of understanding the difference between communications and speech in the cognitive sense of meaning vs. “communications” in the technology sense which is (now) very different. *From:*dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] *On Behalf Of *Leandro Navarro *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 13:14 *To:* dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net *Subject:* Re: [DC3] IEEE/World Bank event Hi, I find the analogy of the acoustic space and audio tech useful with CN (as it breaks with the idea of pipes and focuses more on social interaction, human rights). We have the acoustic space where we everyone agrees on rights and freedoms of speech, access and communication: a natural space for comm/interaction that just works if we are close enough to each other. As scale grows we need technology aids to amplify the sound and cover a large area and that may create exclusion and other issues: those with the microphone, places equipped with infrastructure, money required, business models about that tech and its services... For (interaction in) the digital space we always need technology aids, tech infrastructure, as this is an artificial space (human made). Tech enables this digital space not only in the local scope (homes, schools, communities), and when inter-networking, it also works at the global scope (Internet). Similar to audio tech, choices and models around the infrastructure and services in the digital space make a big difference in universal participation in the digital space, critical for full participation in society. Leandro. On 20/2/17 16:24, Bob Frankston wrote: Thanks. It is a challenge to get people to think outside the idea of the Internet as something that flows through pipes. I appreciate any suggestions into how to better explain the concepts. I’m working on any essay now that positions the Internet as byproduct of a fundamental conceptual shift (or, if you wish, paradigm) *From:*dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] *On Behalf Of *Michael Oghia *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 10:02 *To:* Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> *Subject:* Re: [DC3] IEEE/World Bank event I really liked your post, Bob, specifically this line: "We’re accustomed to thinking of networking as a service and networks as physical things like railroads with well-defined tracks. The Internet is more like the road system that emerges from the way we use any path available. We aren’t even confined to roads thanks to our ability to buy our own off-road vehicles. There is no physical network as such but rather disparate transports for raw packets which make no promises other than a best effort to transport packets." Thanks for sharing! Best, -Michael On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Bob Frankston &lt;Bob19-0501(a)bobf.frankston.com <mailto:Bob19-0501@bobf.frankston.com>> wrote: I’m active with the IEEE (board of governors of the consumer electronics society) but the organization is struggling to get past it’s hardware orientation. It is very difficult to get the traditional players to think of the Internet as anything but another telecommunications service. I failed with this IEEE initiative. You can get a sense of this in the enthusiasm for 5G (http://spectrum.ieee.org/video/telecom/wireless/everything-you-need-to-know…) vs what I wrote after CES (http://rmf.vc/5GATSC). The Internet as a byproduct of software and as infrastructure is a very different framing. It would be good if the IMF could understand that and if you have suggestions for how to be heard I’m open to suggestions. *From:*dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] *On Behalf Of *Judith Hellerstein *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 09:42 *To:* dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> *Subject:* Re: [DC3] IEEE/World Bank event HI Bob, Historically the IEEE event is held one day before the Fall/spring World Bank/IMF meetings since the meetings are April 21-23 that leads me to think the IEEE meeting is on April 20, but best is to ask the IEEE. It is also likely that the Fall meeting will be on October 12 since the Fall meetings are on October 13-15 2017 Best, Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein E-mail: Judith(a)jhellerstein.com <mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com> Website: www.jhellerstein.com <http://www.jhellerstein.com> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 2/17/2017 9:31 AM, dc3(a)bob.ma <mailto:dc3@bob.ma> wrote: April 20? I need to learn more ASAP because I was about to sign up for an event in California April 19-21^st that has a deadline of today. But from my experience these events are set pieces rather than places to effect real change. And given the current policy climate … I see some of the usual suspects on the list from last year – is it a good opportunity for effective hall conversations? It's really about the networking and conversations rather than the presentations. That's what made IGF so valuable – meeting the others on this list. I have toyed with working with ISOC on organizing a workshop on connectivity as infrastructure but not sure if I can do any better. Having real deployments speaks a lot louder. *From:*dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>[mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] *On Behalf Of *Judith Hellerstein *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 07:48 *To:* Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> *Subject:* Re: [DC3] IEEE/World Bank event Hi Michael, This email was for last years event. The IEEE and the world bank hold this event twice a year timed with the fall and spring world bank/imf meetings. This year the meetings are April 20. I do not think the announcement is out yet about the April meeting. I will be attending. I have attended the two previous events Best, Judith Sent from my iPad Judith(a)jhellerstein.com <mailto:Judith@jhellerstein.com> Skype ID: judithhellerstein On Feb 17, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Michael Oghia &lt;mike.oghia(a)gmail.com <mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi everyone, Is anyone planning on attending this (including you Bob)? It might be a good networking/outreach activity: IEEE, in conjunction with the World Bank, will be holding the Global Connect Stakeholders: Advancing Solutions event in Washington, DC, on 13-14 April http://internetinitiative.ieee.org/events/conferences/global-connect-stakeh… Best, -Michael _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3