Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated Broadband Company in America

Dear Jane, Please receive the attached comments on the ISOC Spectrum Paper together with some unverified thoughts. Sivasubramanian M On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 2:13 AM Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 7:11 AM Jane Coffin &lt;coffin(a)isoc.org&gt; wrote: > >> Hi Siva – >> >> >> >> Brian Hall from NYC Mesh is included in this thread. He can help >> explain NYCMesh. >> >> >> >> I fully agree that different connectivity models need to be >> considered and would add that different policy/regulatory models also need >> to be considered. It is something we are keenly in favor of 😉 >> >> >> >> Links to some recent papers on Community Networks also are below and >> attached is a Spectrum Paper we are looking for feed-back on by 24 August. >> > midnight DC time? > > Thanks. > > > Steve Song, Carlos Rey-Moreno, Mike Jensen are the primary authors >> with direction/collaboration with our team at the Internet Society. Please >> send me an email if you do have comments for us to consider. >> >> >> >> Other Resources: >> >> Case Study/Article re CN in Georgia: >> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/05/technology/caucuses-mountain… >> >> African CN Paper – Partnership with Carlos Rey-Moreno: >> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/CommunityNetwork… >> >> India – CN Paper – Partnership with DEF: >> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/W4C-Policy-Paper… >> >> Licensing Brief: >> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Unleashing-Commu… >> >> Spectrum Approaches for CNs: >> https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Spectrum-Approac… >> >> >> >> The inputs to the IGF from this Coalition are really great and Luca >> has the links. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org >> >> Skype: janercoffin >> >> Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 >> >> >> >> *From: *&lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of >> Sivasubramanian M &lt;6.Internet(a)gmail.com&gt; >> *Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < >> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; >> *Date: *Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:47 PM >> *To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < >> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt;gt;, osama manzar &lt;osamam(a)gmail.com&gt; >> *Subject: *Re: [DC3] A Community-Run ISP Is the Highest Rated >> Broadband Company in America >> >> >> >> Dear Jane, >> >> >> >> Thank you for the informative messages and links. DEF has done >> considerable work in the area of Community Networks, and several networks >> such as the one that Sarbani has written about exist in India. However >> there are issues related to the scale and scope of operation, which revolve >> around the regulatory policies that make it a little difficult to create >> and operate networks. >> >> >> >> If I understood well, the NY Mesh network has a supernode from the >> IXP and its bandwidth comes from the IXP. I am copying this thread to >> Osama Manzar of DEF to ask if there are examples of Community Networks in >> India that do not depend on agreements with Telecom Operators / telecom >> related ISPs, which may not wholeheartedly support Community Networks >> beyond the notion of small rural networks. >> >> >> >> There are a few problems that need to be addressed, and a different >> connectivity model may be required together with ample support from the >> Telecom ministry for the spread of community networks in India. >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:01 PM Jane Coffin &lt;coffin(a)isoc.org&gt; wrote: >> >> Apologies - I hit send before adding the links: >> >> DEF: http://defindia.org/ >> Video on The Land of Zero Connect: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq27X8CJLTM >> Link to APC's Community Network Newsletter: >> https://www.apc.org/en/project/local-access-networks-can-unconnected-connec… >> ISOC's Community Network site: >> https://www.internetsociety.org/issues/community-networks/ >> >> >> >> >> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org >> >> Skype: janercoffin >> >> Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 >> >> On 8/16/18, 11:52 AM, &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf >> of Jane Coffin" &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf of >> coffin(a)isoc.org&gt; wrote: >> >> To add - you will find a lot of interesting information here at >> the DEF site: >> See also this video about a remote area of India and lack of >> connectivity and Community Networks coming in to help: >> >> We often hear these arguments about "coverage". The issue is not >> just the mobile network footprint (coverage area), but whether the services >> are affordable, and if end-users have a choice. Community Networks are a >> viable option in >> >> >> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org >> >> Skype: janercoffin >> >> Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 >> >> On 8/16/18, 11:27 AM, &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on >> behalf of Sarbani Banerjee Belur" &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net >> on behalf of sarbanibelur(a)iitb.ac.in&gt; wrote: >> >> Hi Sivasubramanian, >> >> Community networks does exist in India and it is a >> sustainable initiative. >> Gram Marg at IIT Bombay has set up one spanning 10 villages >> in Palghar, >> Maharashtra, Digital Empowerment Foundation has set up some >> as well. There >> are more going to be set up in this year and the next. These >> CNs are set >> up in locations that have no mobile connectivity and are >> usually in >> remote, rural villages of India. >> Local ISPs have come to the rescue and provide bandwidth in >> such locations. >> >> With regards, >> Sarbani >> >> > In Chennai, India, I spoke to someone in an educational >> institution about >> > starting a Community Network. He argued that access is no >> longer a problem >> > as Telecom companies offer 3G and 4G services everywhere. >> He wouldn't >> > listen to arguments concerning the cost and clever pricing >> models of >> > access >> > that indiscernably amass huge sums by microscopic >> extraction, wouldn't >> > listen to arguments about nominal and actual bandwidth. He >> and some >> > others >> > take the position that a case does not exist for Community >> Networks here. >> > >> > Happens to be an iconic opinion. It is a challenge to >> present arguments, >> > articles such as this are of ample help. >> > >> > Sivasubramanian M >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 5:20 PM Marco Zennaro < >> mzennaro(a)ictp.it&gt; wrote: >> > >> >> Interesting news: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ne5k5m/consumer-reports-broadban… >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Marco >> >> >> >> Marco Zennaro, PhD // Research Officer // T/ICT4D Lab // >> ICTP // >> >> wireless.ictp.it >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> DC3 mailing list >> >> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >> >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > DC3 mailing list >> > DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >> > https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> > >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Sarbani Banerjee Belur >> Senior Project Research Scientist >> Program Manager >> Gram Marg: Rural Broadband Project >> Department of Electrical Engineering >> IIT Bombay >> Powai >> Mumbai 400076 >> Mob: +91 9867282979 >> +91 7045620077 >> Website: www.grammarg.in >> Homepage: http://homepages.iitb.ac.in/~sarbanibelur/ >> Blog: sarbanibelur.blogspot.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DC3 mailing list >> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DC3 mailing list >> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sivasubramanian M >> >> Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DC3 mailing list >> DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> > -- Sivasubramanian M Please send all replies to 6.Internet(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3