22 Jun
2018
22 Jun
'18
7:36 p.m.
Just another element of clarification
As stated in my inicial email, the IGF Secretariat requests that the session should be
multistakeholder.
This means we should have at least one private-sector repressnetative and this is
precisely why I thought about Google India. But that was a mere suggestion and the last
thing I would like to do is raising any sensitivities ☺
Another option to have a – potential partner – representing private sector would be Open
Fiber, which is an Italian wholesale connectivity provider whose model is very intersting
and very compatible with CNs development. They have no vertical integration with content
and app and only provide wholesale bandwith to both urban and rural areas.
Here an article to know more (unfortunately only in Italian but you can translate it with
you favourite online translator ☺)
https://assoprovider.it/perche-open-fiber-modello-wholesale-only-e-5g-sono-…
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome
de Luca Belli
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 16:12
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Assunto: [DC3] RES: DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14
Hi Bob and Peter.
Just to clarify. Obviously I was NOT suggesting that Free WiFi and CNs are the same
ting...
That is precisely the resaon why I was suggesting to – potentially – include a
representative from Google India in part 3 of the session, dedicated to exploring
potential interactions/partnerships with different stakeholders
To be even more explicit, what I had in my mind was the posibility to consider Google Free
WiFi (or other free wifi initiatives) as a potential source of connectivity for CNs…
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[mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de
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Assunto: Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14
I see it as not so much free vs. community as whether there is a sustainable model rather
than one dependent upon a benevolent donor. A donor can play a role in establishing in
idea if there is a path towards communities funding their connectivity be the community
very local or national. The other issue is whether there is spotty coverage or a path for
assuming what I’m calling Ambient Connectivity everywhere. Finally is this infrastructure
or does one have to login which is what I call web-fi and not full connectivity.
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Hard no on google. Free wifi and community networks are not the same thing
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Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at
Rightscon<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_…54>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3
Report (that should be the "CN Manual" mentioned in my previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the
challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part
3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[FGV Direito Rio]
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>
luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>
+55 21 3799 5763
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Hi Luca ?
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly ?).
CNs ? from my experience ? go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase ? from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP.? Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)? more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community.? Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) ? generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless ? more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform.? Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs ? my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-?start-up?
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest.? What I have not noted is the importance to
the community ? social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org>
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
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Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
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Cc: "donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>"
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Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at Rightscon, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the
following parts:
presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that
should be the ?CN Manual? mentioned in my previous email)
discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges
they are facing
discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part
3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGVluca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:FGVluca.belli@fgv.br>
+55 21 3799 5763@1lucabelli
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