Hi Don, Adding to Luca's email, I would like to say that Gram Marg has been working constantly with the village council for taking the onus of setting up connectivity in remote, rural villages in India. The village council does have the money that they can spend for Internet for development, yet they cannot spend the money as there are no directives from the district and state administrations. In order to understand this better, Gram Marg worked on this with the cooperation of the village authorities, village population and district administration. I should say that we have not yet been fully able to convince the district administration, but yes, the village administration is totally convinced and want to set up the connectivity in their village. So we along with the village authorities go to the district administration to convince them. It is still a work in progress. With regards, Sarbani -- Dr. Sarbani Banerjee Belur Senior Project Research Scientist Program Manager Gram Marg: Rural Broadband Project Department of Electrical Engineering IIT Bombay Powai Mumbai 400076 Mob: +91 9867282979 +91 7045620077 Website: www.grammarg.in Homepage: http://homepages.iitb.ac.in/~sarbanibelur/ Blog: sarbanibelur.blogspot.com On 10-10-2018 16:46, Luca Belli wrote: > Hi Don, > > Of course municipalities are relevant actors but they should not be the ONLY actor orchestrating the network development, management, etc otherwise the result would be a classic ISP but simply managed by the local gov (i.e. the majority of muni networks) > > The closest thing to a consensus document putting forward basic elements and definitions with regard to CNs is our Declaration. See here https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/439… > > As Nico points out is not a binding document cast in stone but should rather be considered as a "living document" that can be updated, precisely because CNs are evolving and there is no single model. > > There are some very good example of CN where local gov has major role. See e.g. the Panchayat (local council) model in India described in Chapter 8 of last year's DC3 report http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391… > > Other models are described in both last year report and in the 2016 report here http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391… > > In all models, local govs can be involved and frequently are (at least to some extent). But what distinguishes CNs from traditional ISPs run by the local gov is that the CN is organised in a bottom-up/crowdsourced fashion, whilst the ISP is organised in a top-down fashion. > > Hope this helps. Of course the discussion is more detailed and I really encourage you to give a look to the reports to have a better understanding. > > All the best > > Luca > ________________________________________ > De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de Don Means [don(a)digitalvillage.com] > Enviado: terça-feira, 9 de outubro de 2018 23:48 > Para: dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net > Assunto: Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4 > > Many, most, have taken shape from electric co-ops. Cannot municipalities be convenient instruments of their communities to provide services? Not that it’s superior, I’m just looking for defined boundaries. Zero gov’t? All volunteer? Revenue streams? Rights of way issues? Apologies, I feel like I must sound like a newbie. Allow me to lurk quietly. Observe and maybe learn. > > Thanks, > Don > >> On Oct 9, 2018, at 10:20 PM, dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net wrote: >> >> Send DC3 mailing list submissions to >> dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> dc3-owner(a)listas.altermundi.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of DC3 digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: RES: More Than 750 American Communities Have Built Their >> Own Internet Networks (Nicol?s Ech?niz) >> 2. Re: DC3 Digest, Vol 36, Issue 3 *** Definitions anywhere >> (Don Means) >> 3. Re: DC3 Digest, Vol 36, Issue 3 *** Definitions anywhere >> (Don Means) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 15:34:26 -0300 >> From: Nicol?s Ech?niz &lt;nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net&gt; >> To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity >> &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt;et>, Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; >> Subject: Re: [DC3] RES: More Than 750 American Communities Have Built >> Their Own Internet Networks >> Message-ID: &lt;E8A72794-9140-4B23-B7D9-71BAE04A9FA9(a)altermundi.net&gt; >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> this is a problem with language. "Community Networks" has been used for a long time in relation to municipal networks in the USA. Those networks usually have very little to do with what we in DC3 call community networks. >> >> >> >> >> On October 9, 2018 1:51:22 PM GMT-03:00, Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; wrote: >>> Thanks for sharing! >>> >>> Interesting article but I think the author could have been more >>> precise/explicit in stressing which networks are community networks >>> (i.e. led by the community in a bottom-up fashion) and which ones are >>> local ISPs sponsored/organized by local governments in a ?traditional? >>> top-down fashion. >>> >>> Best >>> Luca >>> >>> >>> [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/2018/direito_rio/assinatura/fgv_direito_rio.jpg] >>> >>> Luca Belli, PhD >>> Professor of Internet Governance and Regulation >>> [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/2018/direito_rio/assinatura/fgv_tel.jpg]+55 >>> 21 3799 5763 t @1lucabelli<https://twitter.com/1lucabelli> >>> [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/2018/direito_rio/assinatura/fgv_direito_rio_map.j… >>> de Botafogo, 190 13? andar >>> Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro, RJ - CEP: 22250-900 >>> [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/2018/direito_rio/assinatura/fgv_ass_email.jpg] >>> luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> >>> [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/2018/direito_rio/assinatura/fgv_ass_url.jpg]inter… >>> <https://internet-governance.fgv.br/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net >>> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de dc3(a)bob.ma >>> Enviada em: ter?a-feira, 9 de outubro de 2018 13:44 >>> Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity ' >>> &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; >>> Assunto: Re: [DC3] More Than 750 American Communities Have Built Their >>> Own Internet Networks >>> >>> Are there any communities that didn?t then bring in an ISP to prevent >>> them from using it in order to bill them for connectivity? To put it >>> another way ? which ones have made it community infrastructure? >>> >>> Bob Frankston >>> https://Frankston.com >>> >>> From: >>> dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> >>> <dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> >>> On Behalf Of Don >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 12:28 >>> To: dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> >>> Subject: [DC3] More Than 750 American Communities Have Built Their Own >>> Internet Networks >>> >>> This represents massive growth over past few years. The kind of >>> building momentum required for CN?s to reach the billions yet >>> connected. >>> >>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3np4a/new-municipal-broadband-m… >>> Sent from my phone >>