Dear friends, i am not able to rewrite my proposals for your Call of Papers to the 6. June. And i think, much more important is to participate in a discussion about our basic principles and visions. I send you my last text with this thema to the ISOC global list. It was a try to deepen the discussion. But after the big thread "Next Generation Internet" in the ISOC list some people say, i want to destroy the global ISOC maillist like the 1net.org maillist from NetMundial. The core problem for me is, that in all this groups like IGF, IUF, ISOC, Bestbits, APC, NetMundial and so on the people don't understand, what is telecommunication. And what should be the InterNet. They speak about every day in any form and relations. But never they want to speak about the technical basics. The same experience i have made in the community networks like Freifunk, Funkfeuer, Guiffi.net, Buenas Aires Libre. They are consumers. They never reflect the basic principles in the telecommunication. We have this positive description in the WEF text and in the proposals in DC3. I formulate it so: Internet, the Inter-connection of local Net-works, a transport system for digital data in packet form. And this correlate directly with our positive description for telecommunication. The term InterNet decribes the form, the structure, of our telecommunication. In Europe and North America the situation is very different to Latin America, Africa and Asia. But this should be our focus. The question arise, what we have to do, that the people in this "outside" regions are able to organize her telecommunication systems self. Also parminder from India, he is also in this list, have to ask himself, what he can do to support the people in the rural regions in India. And not always fight against the rulers in the "industrial centers" in North America and Europe. Based on my professional experience and my living time in Latin America and Asia i see very clear, we have have to organize the "centers for free technology" in all regions on our planet. This are the seedlings for our local independent economy, based on local capacity. Clear, this needs the telecommunication system for our global cooperation. But the "theoretical" question of chicken or egg don't exist in the reality. We can say, we use the bad telecommunication to create a good one. And with that a more better one. It is an evolutionary strategie, based on the nature. The main point in our basic discussions after the more theoretical design principles is the hardware for transmission of our data. To this point we connect necessarly after some time. And we should not avoid. We have to break the dogmas with the wavetheory based on the tranversal waves from Heinrich Herz. We need a high energy efficience in the transmission for the transport of data. I think, the using of fibre optic transmission is not a good way. But that we have here in this list the openess for this discussion i am not sure. Independent of that we need our global network for free technology. In this space, we can act. Because there are only people with a strong interest for the basic laws of the nature, what we can use in our telecommunication. I have integrated 2 friends in the CC. Maybe, they want participate in our group. (https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3) Quiliro Ordonez from Ecuador Franz Nahrada from Austria many greetings, willi Manaus, Brasil -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [Internet Policy] UPDATE: Is the Internet Fragmenting? Datum: Thu, 26 May 2016 13:08:28 -0400 Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr(a)riseup.net> An: ISOC Internet Policy <internetpolicy(a)elists.isoc.org> Dear friends and all, many thanks to Miles and Greg to initiate this strong and very helpful discussion. And many thanks to all contributors. And many thanks to Richard and Vinton for the link to the text "WEF-FII Internet Fragmentation ...". Many thanks to the authors Vinton, William and Wolfgang and all her friends in the internal discussion and reflection. With this text we have a compression of views and opinions to the "Internet". This can be a base for a deeper discussion. 1) Open Internet In the text "WEF-FII ..." we find a strong positive description: "... the original shared vision guiding the Internet’s development was that every device on the Internet should be able to exchange data packets with any other device that was willing to receive them..." This can be the base for us. And this base makes the life for us much easier. 2) The layer construction I start my discussion with this point. The authors speak about 4, 5, 6 layers. We know, layers are a model. An abstraction, to understand better and easier, what is going on. Based on point 1) we transport packets. We have two objects. The data and the transport information. Therefore, we have two layers. The transport layer and the data layer or data interpretation layer. In our discussion we look only to the transport layer. The packets should reach the recipient and the content should be the same. Depending on the methodology we can construct some sublayers and this sublayers can be different in some regions. The core function is independent of that. We can use many different forms of physical transport mechanism and, of course, various methods of navigation in the transport. For the data layer it is not important. The questions in the transport are, how we find the recipient and how we make sure that the content of the packet remains unchanged. many greetings, willi Manaus, Brasil --- Este email foi escaneado pelo Avast antivírus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus