Hi Roger, Thanks for the feedback 😊 You are perfectly right regarding the need not to limit CN/network self-determination to marginalised areas. The commons model can fit very well into other realities indeed. However, it is also more common that those who have the initiative to build CNs, and the need to do so, are generally located in areas where connectivity is scarse or very expensive (or discriminatory/non-neutral). Hence my point was simply to highlight the bottom up nature of CNs and the fact that the unconnected can build their own connectivity even when they live in marfinalised areas. I did not me a to limit the potential dimensions or confine CNs only to marginalised communities. (Unfortunately the 13minute format of TEDtalks does not allow to explore every point in detail 😊) As regards your comment on the fact that connectivity has a cost, you are right again but let me clarify that I was not staying the "CNs are open and free by design" to imply absence of costs but rather to stress absence of restrictions imposed by third parties. Unfortunately the Engligh language is misleading: although the adjective is the same, I used "free" as in "free speech " rather than "free beer". So, what I meant was liberty rather than gratuity. Hope this is helpful. All The best Luca ________________________________________ De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de Roger Baig Viñas [roger.baig(a)guifi.net] Enviado: terça-feira, 24 de julho de 2018 6:01 Para: dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net Assunto: Re: [DC3] TEDtalk on “From Net Neutrality to Network Self-determination” -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi Luca, Thanks for daring to take the floor ;-) Few comments: 1) we should pay more attention not to marginalise ourselves in our speeches: CNs (or self-determined networks in your case) are not limited by nature to underserved areas. It is us (in our speeches) that may limit them (by mistake) and this is very convenient for some private interests. 2) in commons: the key point is how the resources are governed under this model, not if you can join them for free or not (another think that we have to always keep in mind in our talks is that everything has a cost, so whatever is realised is paid in one way or another). Best regards On 20/7/18 17:21, Luca Belli wrote: - -- Roger Baig Viñas Fundació Privada per a la Xarxa Oberta, Lliure i Neutral guifi.net _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3