20 Nov
2016
20 Nov
'16
2:06 a.m.
During my participatin in the WEF meeting that I was invited to, I came
up with this concept that I believe must be a strong point in our
strugle forward in order to differentiate what we are doing from so many
other initiatives to "connect the unconnected":
Facebook's Free Basics and Internet planes, Google's Loon project as
well as many government plans to bring "Internet access" to public
spaces in poor villages and disadvantaged areas are all initiatives to
create an Internet for the Poor. One where the people get a second class
digital citizenship.
On the other hand, we from the community networks movement are
empowering the people to build meaningful infrastructures that create
the local portion of the Internet in a manner that is respectful of
human value and not just motivated by access statistics or profit.
I'd like to make this idea part of our Declaration.
What do the rest of you think?
cheers,
Nico
20 Nov
20 Nov
2:27 a.m.
Ok, I've added a paragraph in the preamble:
https://pad.codigosur.org/GuadalajaraDeclaration
I guess it can be watered down a bit if needed, but that's one
perspective I'd like to put out there from "our camp".
Cheers,
Nico
On 11/19/2016 11:06 PM, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
During my participatin in the WEF meeting that I was
invited to, I came
up with this concept that I believe must be a strong point in our
strugle forward in order to differentiate what we are doing from so many
other initiatives to "connect the unconnected":
Facebook's Free Basics and Internet planes, Google's Loon project as
well as many government plans to bring "Internet access" to public
spaces in poor villages and disadvantaged areas are all initiatives to
create an Internet for the Poor. One where the people get a second class
digital citizenship.
On the other hand, we from the community networks movement are
empowering the people to build meaningful infrastructures that create
the local portion of the Internet in a manner that is respectful of
human value and not just motivated by access statistics or profit.
I'd like to make this idea part of our Declaration.
What do the rest of you think?
cheers,
Nico
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5:07 a.m.
I completely agree.
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Subject: [DC3] an Internet for the poor vs. empowering the people
During my participatin in the WEF meeting that I was invited to, I came up
with this concept that I believe must be a strong point in our strugle
forward in order to differentiate what we are doing from so many other
initiatives to "connect the unconnected":
Facebook's Free Basics and Internet planes, Google's Loon project as well as
many government plans to bring "Internet access" to public spaces in poor
villages and disadvantaged areas are all initiatives to create an Internet
for the Poor. One where the people get a second class digital citizenship.
On the other hand, we from the community networks movement are empowering
the people to build meaningful infrastructures that create the local portion
of the Internet in a manner that is respectful of human value and not just
motivated by access statistics or profit.
I'd like to make this idea part of our Declaration.
What do the rest of you think?
cheers,
Nico
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7:41 p.m.
Nicolás, that is probably the most important point and speaks to the heart
of the matter on so many levels. I love your addition.
21 Nov
21 Nov
5:07 p.m.
I like the preamble a lot, although I would not disparage the efforts from companies:
My suggestion: "... A number of private and state owned initiatives have addressed
this issue through techniques as diverse as baloons, planes, limited access zero rating
plans or points of free connectivity in public areas. Even though these sort of
initiatives are effective in increasing Internet access, sometimes uptime, level of
service, privacy, neutrality and other important factors cannot be preserved, resulting in
uneven experiences compared to regular online users." + "Community networks, on
the other hand, are empowering the people to build meaningful infrastructures that create
the local portion of the Internet in a manner that is respectful of human value"
(taken from your email)
The objective is to make the point without being offensive...
Christian
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Coenraad Loubser
<coenraad(a)wish.org.za>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 4:41 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Subject: Re: [DC3] an Internet for the poor vs. empowering the people
Nicolás, that is probably the most important point and speaks to the heart of the matter
on so many levels. I love your addition.
22 Nov
22 Nov
7:55 a.m.
I second Christian's point.
-Steve
On 21 November 2016 at 17:07, Christian O'Flaherty <oflaherty(a)isoc.org>
wrote:
I like the preamble a lot, although I would not
disparage the efforts from
companies:
My suggestion: "... A number of private and state owned initiatives have
addressed this issue through techniques as diverse as baloons, planes,
limited access zero rating plans or points of free connectivity in public
areas. Even though these sort of initiatives are effective in increasing
Internet access, sometimes uptime, level of service, privacy, neutrality
and other important factors cannot be preserved, resulting in uneven
experiences compared to regular online users." + "Community networks, on
the other hand, are empowering the people to build meaningful
infrastructures that create the local portion of the Internet in a manner
that is respectful of human value" (taken from your email)
The objective is to make the point without being offensive...
Christian
*From: *<dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Coenraad Loubser
<coenraad(a)wish.org.za>
*Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <
dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Date: *Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 4:41 PM
*To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <
dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Subject: *Re: [DC3] an Internet for the poor vs. empowering the people
Nicolás, that is probably the most important point and speaks to the heart
of the matter on so many levels. I love your addition.
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21 Nov
21 Nov
1:31 p.m.
New subject: RES: an Internet for the poor vs. empowering the people
Excellent point Nico!
To be added to the revised version of the Declaration, when we will consolidate all the
IGF inputs.
Also, with regard to zero rating practices, list-members may be interested to read this
article I published some weeks ago, where I stress that the main risk of zero rating is
that it triggers a "shift from a user-centric, general-purpose network to one with a
predefined purpose, thereby creating passive consumers of predetermined services, rather
than active Internet users." A phenomenon that I call "minitelisation of the
Internet"
And my conclusion is that policymakers should focus on more sustainable and users-centric
options, such as promoting community networks.
Here is the open access version of the article
http://internet-governance.fgv.br/sites/internet-governance.fgv.br/files/pu…
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Assunto: [DC3] an Internet for the poor vs. empowering the people
During my participatin in the WEF meeting that I was invited to, I came up with this
concept that I believe must be a strong point in our strugle forward in order to
differentiate what we are doing from so many other initiatives to "connect the
unconnected":
Facebook's Free Basics and Internet planes, Google's Loon project as well as
many government plans to bring "Internet access" to public spaces in poor
villages and disadvantaged areas are all initiatives to create an Internet for the Poor.
One where the people get a second class digital citizenship.
On the other hand, we from the community networks movement are empowering the people to
build meaningful infrastructures that create the local portion of the Internet in a manner
that is respectful of human value and not just motivated by access statistics or profit.
I'd like to make this idea part of our Declaration.
What do the rest of you think?
cheers,
Nico
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