12 Dec
2017
12 Dec
'17
4:26 p.m.
Hello friends,
If you are receiving this e-mail, you have been contacted in the past
weeks either by me or by Nico Pace regarding the foundation of the ISOC
CNSIG and you have agreed to be a part of it.
If the e-mail address you were subscribed with is incorrect, please
unsubscribe and subscribe back with the correct one.
We have been discussing and collectively editing the SIG application in
this pad:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG
I sent this application to ISOC already and as many of you know it is in
the process of peer review until December 13 (tomorrow in most timezones).
In the meantime, some of us have been writing a first draft of the SIG
Bylaws:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws
(all text with no color is from the ISOC template)
My proposal, because this is a complex document where every part has to
make sense with the rest is that we discuss in this e-mail thread any
important or structural change.
Just as an introduction before you read the Bylaws, I want to clarify
some points:
1) we have organized the SIG in a way that it's Board has very little
executive power and is mostly tasked with representing the SIG and
keeping the administrative work in order.
2) we defined an Executive Council that is the governing body and takes
every decision. This council can have up to three members from each
Community Network organization.
3) Members of this SIG must be active participants in Community Networks
projects.
4) Trusted Advisors are a special kind of member which must be invited
and approved by the CN members.
well... those I believe are the central organizing ideas. The rest is
there to read. Please write your name on top of the pad so we have a
color reference of authorship.
You will find that articles VIII to XI have not been edited much. These
need work.
Cheers !!
NicoEchániz
PS: we have a chance to have the SIG approved during the IGF if we can
finish the Bylaws in time.
16 Dec
16 Dec
4:53 p.m.
Dear all,
The governing structure has created a lot of confusion, so taking in
account comments and questions, I have compiled this new version where
the situation is simplified.
I shared it with a couple of people in the group just to check, now I'm
sharing with everyone.
Please have a look and share your opinions:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws2
ISOC has reported that the Peer review has ended and we are free to move
forward.
We can present the Bylaws document when we consider it finished and the
rest of the process is quite simple.
Cheers,
Nico
On 12/12/2017 01:26 PM, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
Hello friends,
If you are receiving this e-mail, you have been contacted in the past
weeks either by me or by Nico Pace regarding the foundation of the ISOC
CNSIG and you have agreed to be a part of it.
If the e-mail address you were subscribed with is incorrect, please
unsubscribe and subscribe back with the correct one.
We have been discussing and collectively editing the SIG application in
this pad:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG
I sent this application to ISOC already and as many of you know it is in
the process of peer review until December 13 (tomorrow in most timezones).
In the meantime, some of us have been writing a first draft of the SIG
Bylaws:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws
(all text with no color is from the ISOC template)
My proposal, because this is a complex document where every part has to
make sense with the rest is that we discuss in this e-mail thread any
important or structural change.
Just as an introduction before you read the Bylaws, I want to clarify
some points:
1) we have organized the SIG in a way that it's Board has very little
executive power and is mostly tasked with representing the SIG and
keeping the administrative work in order.
2) we defined an Executive Council that is the governing body and takes
every decision. This council can have up to three members from each
Community Network organization.
3) Members of this SIG must be active participants in Community Networks
projects.
4) Trusted Advisors are a special kind of member which must be invited
and approved by the CN members.
well... those I believe are the central organizing ideas. The rest is
there to read. Please write your name on top of the pad so we have a
color reference of authorship.
You will find that articles VIII to XI have not been edited much. These
need work.
Cheers !!
NicoEchániz
PS: we have a chance to have the SIG approved during the IGF if we can
finish the Bylaws in time.
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17 Dec
17 Dec
12:07 p.m.
Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not allowed.
As an emergent group we should encourage everyone to take part and share
responsabilities. Re-election (as evident in our "democracies") creates
groups of power, specialists in maintaining their own power, status,
privileges.
What do you think?
best,
Thiago
On 2017-12-16 13:53, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
Dear all,
The governing structure has created a lot of confusion, so taking in
account comments and questions, I have compiled this new version where
the situation is simplified.
I shared it with a couple of people in the group just to check, now I'm
sharing with everyone.
Please have a look and share your opinions:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws2
ISOC has reported that the Peer review has ended and we are free to move
forward.
We can present the Bylaws document when we consider it finished and the
rest of the process is quite simple.
Cheers,
Nico
On 12/12/2017 01:26 PM, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
Hello friends,
If you are receiving this e-mail, you have been contacted in the past
weeks either by me or by Nico Pace regarding the foundation of the ISOC
CNSIG and you have agreed to be a part of it.
If the e-mail address you were subscribed with is incorrect, please
unsubscribe and subscribe back with the correct one.
We have been discussing and collectively editing the SIG application in
this pad:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG
I sent this application to ISOC already and as many of you know it is in
the process of peer review until December 13 (tomorrow in most timezones).
In the meantime, some of us have been writing a first draft of the SIG
Bylaws:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws
(all text with no color is from the ISOC template)
My proposal, because this is a complex document where every part has to
make sense with the rest is that we discuss in this e-mail thread any
important or structural change.
Just as an introduction before you read the Bylaws, I want to clarify
some points:
1) we have organized the SIG in a way that it's Board has very little
executive power and is mostly tasked with representing the SIG and
keeping the administrative work in order.
2) we defined an Executive Council that is the governing body and takes
every decision. This council can have up to three members from each
Community Network organization.
3) Members of this SIG must be active participants in Community Networks
projects.
4) Trusted Advisors are a special kind of member which must be invited
and approved by the CN members.
well... those I believe are the central organizing ideas. The rest is
there to read. Please write your name on top of the pad so we have a
color reference of authorship.
You will find that articles VIII to XI have not been edited much. These
need work.
Cheers !!
NicoEchániz
PS: we have a chance to have the SIG approved during the IGF if we can
finish the Bylaws in time.
_______________________________________________
CNSIG mailing list
CNSIG(a)listas.altermundi.net
https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/cnsig
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6:39 p.m.
On 12/17/2017 09:07 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not allowed.
As an emergent group we should encourage everyone to take part and share
responsabilities. Re-election (as evident in our "democracies") creates
groups of power, specialists in maintaining their own power, status,
privileges.
What do you think?
Yes Thiago, completely agree.
Changed to the same conditions as the Executive Council officers: three
consecutive (1 year) terms maximum.
abrazo,
Nico
7:08 p.m.
Dear all,
It is a great honor to be in this group. Thanks for the invitation!
The Bylaws are very nicely drafted.
I did only some minor edits and added a suggestion regarding the
Standing Committees
related to my main interest being here, which is the local dimension of
CNs, the
participation of the overall community in governance and design of local
services, beyond affordable Internet access.
(I will be in Geneva from tomorrow afternoon and until Wednesday
evening, so hopefully
there will be the chance to discuss more in person)
Best,
Panayotis (Panos) Antoniadis
http://nethood.org/panayotis/
Quick readings:
https://theconversation.com/diy-networking-the-path-to-a-more-democratic-in…
https://theconversation.com/how-to-build-a-more-organic-internet-and-stand-…
On 17.12.2017 19:39, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
On 12/17/2017 09:07 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not allowed.
As an emergent group we should encourage everyone to take part and share
responsabilities. Re-election (as evident in our "democracies") creates
groups of power, specialists in maintaining their own power, status,
privileges.
What do you think?
Yes Thiago, completely agree.
Changed to the same conditions as the Executive Council officers: three
consecutive (1 year) terms maximum.
abrazo,
Nico
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19 Dec
19 Dec
1:43 a.m.
Hi all,
Many of us are in Geneva for the IGF. I propose that we meet at lunch
time today (tuesday 19) in the food area; we can then choose to move
somewhere else or stay there.
I've been talking with a number of ISOC people regarding an issue that
they brought up regarding our Bylaws.
It's not acceptable for ISOC to close the membership of a SIG by any
specific criteria.
So the compromise that I proposed and was accepted is that we let anyone
join the SIG but only community network members can be part of the
Council, which is where we will actually discuss strategy and take
decisions.
ISOC people was fine with this, so I have drafted that change in the pad:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws2
Panos: regarding your proposal for another standing comitee, It was
clearer for me in your e-mail than in what you wrote in the pad... maybe
we can rephrase it to make it easier to understand exactly what the area
of work this comitee will have.
See you tomorrow and those that are not here please raise your still
outstanding questions or doubts.
If we can close the Bylaws in the following 2 days, we can have the SIG
approved and maybe do some announcement in the IGF.
Cheers!
Nico
On 12/17/2017 04:08 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Dear all,
It is a great honor to be in this group. Thanks for the invitation!
The Bylaws are very nicely drafted.
I did only some minor edits and added a suggestion regarding the
Standing Committees
related to my main interest being here, which is the local dimension of
CNs, the
participation of the overall community in governance and design of local
services, beyond affordable Internet access.
(I will be in Geneva from tomorrow afternoon and until Wednesday
evening, so hopefully
there will be the chance to discuss more in person)
Best,
Panayotis (Panos) Antoniadis
http://nethood.org/panayotis/
Quick readings:
https://theconversation.com/diy-networking-the-path-to-a-more-democratic-in…
https://theconversation.com/how-to-build-a-more-organic-internet-and-stand-…
On 17.12.2017 19:39, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
On 12/17/2017 09:07 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
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Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not allowed.
As an emergent group we should encourage everyone to take part and share
responsabilities. Re-election (as evident in our "democracies") creates
groups of power, specialists in maintaining their own power, status,
privileges.
What do you think?
Yes Thiago, completely agree.
Changed to the same conditions as the Executive Council officers: three
consecutive (1 year) terms maximum.
abrazo,
Nico
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7:08 a.m.
great idea Nico
I'll be there.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net
wrote:
Hi all,
Many of us are in Geneva for the IGF. I propose that we meet at lunch
time today (tuesday 19) in the food area; we can then choose to move
somewhere else or stay there.
I've been talking with a number of ISOC people regarding an issue that
they brought up regarding our Bylaws.
It's not acceptable for ISOC to close the membership of a SIG by any
specific criteria.
So the compromise that I proposed and was accepted is that we let anyone
join the SIG but only community network members can be part of the
Council, which is where we will actually discuss strategy and take
decisions.
ISOC people was fine with this, so I have drafted that change in the pad:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws2
Panos: regarding your proposal for another standing comitee, It was
clearer for me in your e-mail than in what you wrote in the pad... maybe
we can rephrase it to make it easier to understand exactly what the area
of work this comitee will have.
See you tomorrow and those that are not here please raise your still
outstanding questions or doubts.
If we can close the Bylaws in the following 2 days, we can have the SIG
approved and maybe do some announcement in the IGF.
Cheers!
Nico
On 12/17/2017 04:08 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
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Dear all,
It is a great honor to be in this group. Thanks for the invitation!
The Bylaws are very nicely drafted.
I did only some minor edits and added a suggestion regarding the
Standing Committees
related to my main interest being here, which is the local dimension of
CNs, the
participation of the overall community in governance and design of local
services, beyond affordable Internet access.
(I will be in Geneva from tomorrow afternoon and until Wednesday
evening, so hopefully
there will be the chance to discuss more in person)
Best,
Panayotis (Panos) Antoniadis
http://nethood.org/panayotis/
Quick readings:
https://theconversation.com/diy-networking-the-path-to-a-
more-democratic-internet-67216
internet-and-stand-up-to-corporations-70815
On 17.12.2017 19:39, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> On 12/17/2017 09:07 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
>> Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
>>
>> I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
>> indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
>>
>> In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not allowed.
>> As an emergent group we should encourage everyone to take part and
share
responsabilities. Re-election (as evident in our
"democracies") creates
groups of power, specialists in maintaining their own power, status,
privileges.
What do you think?
Yes Thiago, completely agree.
Changed to the same conditions as the Executive Council officers: three
consecutive (1 year) terms maximum.
abrazo,
Nico
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7:25 a.m.
After Bruno's session ending at 1:10pm
Maybe we can find each other and others around 1:30pm?
On December 19, 2017 8:08:52 AM GMT+01:00, bruno vianna <bruno(a)pobox.com> wrote:
great idea Nico
I'll be there.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net
and
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wrote:
Hi all,
Many of us are in Geneva for the IGF. I propose that we meet at lunch
time today (tuesday 19) in the food area; we can then choose to move
somewhere else or stay there.
I've been talking with a number of ISOC people regarding an issue
that
they brought up regarding our Bylaws.
It's not acceptable for ISOC to close the membership of a SIG by any
specific criteria.
So the compromise that I proposed and was accepted is that we let
anyone
join the SIG but only community network members
can be part of the
Council, which is where we will actually discuss strategy and take
decisions.
ISOC people was fine with this, so I have drafted that change in the
pad:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws2
Panos: regarding your proposal for another standing comitee, It was
clearer for me in your e-mail than in what you wrote in the pad...
maybe
we can rephrase it to make it easier to
understand exactly what the
area
of work this comitee will have.
See you tomorrow and those that are not here please raise your still
outstanding questions or doubts.
If we can close the Bylaws in the following 2 days, we can have the
SIG
approved and maybe do some announcement in the
IGF.
Cheers!
Nico
On 12/17/2017 04:08 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> It is a great honor to be in this group. Thanks for the invitation!
>
> The Bylaws are very nicely drafted.
>
> I did only some minor edits and added a suggestion regarding the
> Standing Committees
> related to my main interest being here, which is the local
dimension of
> CNs, the
> participation of the overall community in governance and design of
local
services,
beyond affordable Internet access.
(I will be in Geneva from tomorrow afternoon and until Wednesday
evening, so hopefully
there will be the chance to discuss more in person)
Best,
Panayotis (Panos) Antoniadis
http://nethood.org/panayotis/
Quick readings:
https://theconversation.com/diy-networking-the-path-to-a-
more-democratic-internet-67216
internet-and-stand-up-to-corporations-70815
>
>
>
> On 17.12.2017 19:39, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>> On 12/17/2017 09:07 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
>>> Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
>>>
>>> I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
>>> indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
>>>
>>> In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not allowed.
>>> As an emergent group we should encourage everyone to take part share
>>> responsabilities. Re-election (as evident in our "democracies")
creates
>>> groups of power, specialists in
maintaining their own power,
status,
>>> privileges.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>
>> Yes Thiago, completely agree.
>> Changed to the same conditions as the Executive Council officers:
three
consecutive (1 year) terms maximum.
abrazo,
Nico
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8:24 a.m.
Actually the workshop ends at 12:40, so we can meet a bit earlier. 13:00 is
ok?
Em 19 de dez de 2017 08:24, "Peter" <peter(a)rhizomatica.org> escreveu:
After Bruno's session ending at 1:10pm
Maybe we can find each other and others around 1:30pm?
On December 19, 2017 8:08:52 AM GMT+01:00, bruno vianna <bruno(a)pobox.com>
wrote:
great idea Nico
I'll be there.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Nicolás Echániz <
nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net> wrote:
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Hi all,
Many of us are in Geneva for the IGF. I propose that we meet at lunch
time today (tuesday 19) in the food area; we can then choose to move
somewhere else or stay there.
I've been talking with a number of ISOC people regarding an issue that
they brought up regarding our Bylaws.
It's not acceptable for ISOC to close the membership of a SIG by any
specific criteria.
So the compromise that I proposed and was accepted is that we let anyone
join the SIG but only community network members can be part of the
Council, which is where we will actually discuss strategy and take
decisions.
ISOC people was fine with this, so I have drafted that change in the pad:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws2
Panos: regarding your proposal for another standing comitee, It was
clearer for me in your e-mail than in what you wrote in the pad... maybe
we can rephrase it to make it easier to understand exactly what the area
of work this comitee will have.
See you tomorrow and those that are not here please raise your still
outstanding questions or doubts.
If we can close the Bylaws in the following 2 days, we can have the SIG
approved and maybe do some announcement in the IGF.
Cheers!
Nico
On 12/17/2017 04:08 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Dear all,
It is a great honor to be in this group. Thanks for the invitation!
The Bylaws are very nicely drafted.
I did only some minor edits and added a suggestion regarding the
Standing Committees
related to my main interest being here, which is the local dimension of
CNs, the
participation of the overall community in governance and design of
local
services, beyond affordable Internet access.
(I will be in Geneva from tomorrow afternoon and until Wednesday
evening, so hopefully
there will be the chance to discuss more in person)
Best,
Panayotis (Panos) Antoniadis
http://nethood.org/panayotis/
Quick readings:
https://theconversation.com/diy-networking-the-path-to-a-mor
e-democratic-internet-67216
rnet-and-stand-up-to-corporations-70815
On 17.12.2017 19:39, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> On 12/17/2017 09:07 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
>> Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
>>
>> I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
>> indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
>>
>> In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not allowed.
>> As an emergent group we should encourage everyone to take part and
share
>> responsabilities. Re-election (as evident
in our "democracies")
creates
>> groups of power, specialists in
maintaining their own power, status,
>> privileges.
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> Yes Thiago, completely agree.
> Changed to the same conditions as the Executive Council officers:
three
> consecutive (1 year) terms maximum.
>
> abrazo,
> Nico
>
>
>
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10:47 a.m.
we can actually meet at 13 at the exit door of bruno's session :)
many of us will already be there, right?
On December 19, 2017 9:24:06 AM GMT+01:00, bruno vianna <bruno(a)pobox.com> wrote:
Actually the workshop ends at 12:40, so we can meet a
bit earlier.
13:00 is
ok?
Em 19 de dez de 2017 08:24, "Peter" <peter(a)rhizomatica.org> escreveu:
After Bruno's session ending at 1:10pm
Maybe we can find each other and others around 1:30pm?
On December 19, 2017 8:08:52 AM GMT+01:00, bruno vianna
<bruno(a)pobox.com>
wrote:
>
> great idea Nico
> I'll be there.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Nicolás Echániz <
> nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Many of us are in Geneva for the IGF. I propose that we meet at
lunch
>> time today (tuesday 19) in the food area;
we can then choose to
move
>> somewhere else or stay there.
>>
>>
>> I've been talking with a number of ISOC people regarding an issue
that
>> they brought up regarding our Bylaws.
>> It's not acceptable for ISOC to close the membership of a SIG by
any
>> specific criteria.
>>
>> So the compromise that I proposed and was accepted is that we let
anyone
>> join the SIG but only community network
members can be part of the
>> Council, which is where we will actually discuss strategy and take
>> decisions.
>> ISOC people was fine with this, so I have drafted that change in
the pad:
>> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws2
>>
>>
>> Panos: regarding your proposal for another standing comitee, It was
>> clearer for me in your e-mail than in what you wrote in the pad...
maybe
>> we can rephrase it to make it easier to
understand exactly what the
area
>> of work this comitee will have.
>>
>>
>> See you tomorrow and those that are not here please raise your
still
>> outstanding questions or doubts.
>>
>> If we can close the Bylaws in the following 2 days, we can have the
SIG
>> approved and maybe do some announcement
in the IGF.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Nico
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/17/2017 04:08 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > It is a great honor to be in this group. Thanks for the
invitation!
>> >
>> > The Bylaws are very nicely drafted.
>> >
>> > I did only some minor edits and added a suggestion regarding the
>> > Standing Committees
>> > related to my main interest being here, which is the local
dimension
of
>> > CNs, the
>> > participation of the overall community in governance and design
of
>> local
>> > services, beyond affordable Internet access.
>> >
>> > (I will be in Geneva from tomorrow afternoon and until Wednesday
>> > evening, so hopefully
>> > there will be the chance to discuss more in person)
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Panayotis (Panos) Antoniadis
>> > http://nethood.org/panayotis/
>> >
>> > Quick readings:
>> > https://theconversation.com/diy-networking-the-path-to-a-mor
>> e-democratic-internet-67216
>> > https://theconversation.com/how-to-build-a-more-organic-inte
>> rnet-and-stand-up-to-corporations-70815
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 17.12.2017 19:39, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>> >> On 12/17/2017 09:07 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
>> >>> Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
>> >>> indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
>> >>>
>> >>> In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not
allowed.
>> >>> As an emergent group we
should encourage everyone to take part
and
>> share
>> >>> responsabilities. Re-election (as evident in our
"democracies")
>> creates
>> >>> groups of power, specialists in maintaining their own power,
status,
>> >>> privileges.
>> >>>
>> >>> What do you think?
>> >>
>> >> Yes Thiago, completely agree.
>> >> Changed to the same conditions as the Executive Council
officers:
>>> three
>>> >> consecutive (1 year) terms maximum.
>>> >>
>>> >> abrazo,
>>> >> Nico
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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12:51 p.m.
Hi Nico, dear members of SIG Group
I'm glad some of us are going to have the opportunity to meet in person,
and I wish you all a good work together (thanks Panos for your links:
really nice talks you have been doing!).
My proposal is "No re-election will be allowed". I don't see any reason
for copying the
Executive Concil Officers' condition: if you (anyone) could provide an
argument for this, I'd like to hear it.
(I'm also interested in understanding our decision process...).
best,
Thiago
On 2017-12-17 16:39, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
On 12/17/2017 09:07 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
Hi Nico, dear colleagues,
Thanks for compiling this version: it seems almost ready!
I have a question about line 87: "Re-election will be allowed
indefinitely". What is the purpose of such a permition?
In contrast, I think re-election should be avoided, not allowed.
As an emergent group we should encourage everyone to take part and share
responsabilities. Re-election (as evident in our "democracies") creates
groups of power, specialists in maintaining their own power, status,
privileges.
What do you think?
Yes Thiago, completely agree.
Changed to the same conditions as the Executive Council officers: three
consecutive (1 year) terms maximum.
abrazo,
Nico
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On 12/19/2017 09:51 AM, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
Hi Nico, dear members of SIG Group
I'm glad some of us are going to have the opportunity to meet in person,
and I wish you all a good work together (thanks Panos for your links:
really nice talks you have been doing!).
My proposal is "No re-election will be allowed". I don't see any reason
for copying the
Executive Concil Officers' condition: if you (anyone) could provide an
argument for this, I'd like to hear it.
(I'm also interested in understanding our decision process...).
Hi Thiago,
Some of us were able to work on the Bylaws in person yesterday. It took
4hs to go through it but we tried to address all open issues.
Regarding re-election for a couple of periods, it usually has to do with
the continuity of work. The one year term is a short one and the limited
re-election gives a chance to have some continuity while not
perpetuating anyone in their station, which would be detrimental for the
power balance in the group. As with Quorum and other matters, there's a
line between what would be ideal and what's more practical; I think we
balanced these matters alright in the Bylaws now and the group that was
present agreed.
In a couple of hours we will polish a couple of paragraphs that still
have rough edges and it will be ready to submit, in the view of those
who were part of the revision group yesterday.
Again, I think we are balancing between the ideal, which would have been
to get all 25 people in one room to discuss for as long as it takes
until we all completely agree on every detail, and the fact that the IGF
ends in two days and starting this SIG during the IGF will give it much
more visibility and thus put it in a better position to work with others
during 2018 if we can have it approved now than if we do it in one month
time.
I ask of everyone that if you have hard objections that mean a blocker
for your approval of the current text:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_Bylaws2
...you raise them now and let's try to address them swiftly. If no hard
objections are rised, then let's go forward with submitting these Bylaws
to try to get the SIG approved and announced before the IGF closes.
Again, we don't have a decision making structure in place yet so we are
doing this as best we can considering the objective and the time available.
Please everyone take some time to read the text and express your
approval or disapproval (with detail if necessary) on the Bylaws.
Cheers!
Nico
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