Re: [DC3] RES: RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity

This is a why the problem is a business model of telecommunications that depends on a provider owning the facilities and making money by not preventing people from communicating. There is a “business case” for a different model in which communities own their local facilities. They can then purchase facilities for further connectivity. This is why framing is so important. The access framing is a dependency framing. The community ownership of the common facilities is not about networks nor the last mile. It’s about local infrastructure It is a real challenge it escape from the 19th century idea that networking is a service like railroads provide transportation. I’m working on an ambitious essay to try to explain that but it’s a bit early for any but the most interested to read at this point. From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] On Behalf Of Steve Song Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 14:00 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Subject: Re: [DC3] RES: RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Hi all, Speaking personally, I favour a bold statement. Good practices are important but a declaration (I chose the word deliberately) is about something you believe in and are prepared to take a stand on. Here is a statement that Peter Bloom and I came up with last year: ----- Up to 3 billion people in the world do not have access to communication infrastructure, and people in rural areas are unlikely to realize the benefits of access in the near term. There is no business case for extending coverage based on the current operational models of traditional network operators, and alternative strategies typically face nearly insurmountable regulatory hurdles. The access playing field has opened somewhat as Internet giants have entered the mix with infrastructure projects. But this raises further concerns about consolidation and neutrality. In order to reverse these trends and reclaim the role of the commons in networks, it is necessary to create the technology, policy and regulatory frameworks that empower communities and local entrepreneurs to solve their own connectivity challenges. Bottom-up strategies that embrace neutrality and diversity in the last mile will allow everyone to to play a role in bringing down costs and ensuring access. ----- We called it Last Mile DNA (Diversity and Neutrality of Access). I recognise that there are many issues related to access and I am not claiming this is the most important one but it does happen to be the one that I am prepared to nail my colours to the mast for. Cheers... Steve On 8 September 2016 at 09:00, Instituto Bem Estar Brasil &lt;instituto(a)bemestarbrasil.org.br <mailto:instituto@bemestarbrasil.org.br> > wrote: I go with Bob, we need to differ the access from infrastructure when we talk about declarations, because I heard some speeches about lifeline and subvention the access through de telcos etc. Even here in Brazil there are talks about "bolsa internet" and this not empower the people, just replicate the message that we need to consume information from the market. An idea in the middle is to create means to create community infrastructure where the government can use it and share the costs with the community provider and this idea is about to create laws to digital cities and digital policies with democratic governance and sustainability through councils with liquid democracy methodology and a public fund for example. Atenciosamente, ________________________________ Marcelo Saldanha Movimento de Espectro Livre / Movimento de Redes Livres Cel/Telgram/Whatsapp: 22-98842.0482 Skype : marcelo_secante ________________________________ No campo das ideias, o limite é sonhar o impossível e no campo das realizações, basta perseverar. -----Mensagem original----- De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> ] Em nome de dc3(a)bob.ma <mailto:dc3@bob.ma> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 18:51 Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity' Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity It helps to have written songs for the Grateful Dead ... If we do declarations I strongly urge separating a declaration about connectivity as infrastructure from the more aspirational goals of "access". This separation has been the key to the success of the Internet by decoupling the technology from the applications. My focus is on the enabling/empowering infrastructure. The is a shift to paying for the common infrastructure as a community. For profit is fine. The problem is that today's profit is made by having a third party taxing speech. By paying for infrastructure as a community we align the incentives. We need to be wary about too much emphasis on examples of volunteers to avoid false dichotomies of public/private and us/them. Perhaps something that JPB can endorse. -----Original Message----- From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> ] On Behalf Of Luca Belli Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 17:38 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> > Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity I wholeheartedly agree with C.A. Best ________________________________________ De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> ] em nome de Carlos Afonso [ca(a)cafonso.ca <mailto:ca@cafonso.ca> ] Enviado: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 1:03 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Why, John Perry Barlow could do one, why couldn't we? :-) []s fraternos --c.a. On 06/09/2016 15:18, Jane Coffin wrote: connectivity. trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments in particular) may find challenging. are doing. declaration of principles and good practices on community connectivity to be presented at the IGF. circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i) elaborate a common definition of connectivity as well as of community network (ii) and identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the deployment of community networks. (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments and consolidating the comments we will receive)? next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, and lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the IGF. -- Carlos A. 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