Hi Luca – I think that that may work. To be clear, I am not opposed to the word Declaration, particularly if it is tied to Principles and Good Practices… Were there any Declarations last year? Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Hi jane, Perhaps “Policy Statement on Community Connectivity” could be more digestible? Best De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Jane Coffin Enviada em: terça-feira, 6 de setembro de 2016 15:18 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Hi All – I think we should definitely issue a document related to Community connectivity. One question for food for thought – if we call our output a declaration we trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments in particular) may find challenging. Could we find another word? I would hate to have people oppose what we are doing. Best, Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org> Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: <dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>> Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:16 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Subject: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Dear all, Over the past weeks, many list members have supported the elaboration of a declaration of principles and good practices on community connectivity to be presented at the IGF. So far, we have had some very good ideas coming up. Particularly, we may start drafting a “Guadalajara Declaration” (proposed by Steve) building on the excellent material circulated by Leandro (FONN principles https://guifi.net/en/FONNC ) and Jane (RFC 7962 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt) I would be very happy to facilitate the elaboration of an initial draft to circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i) elaborate a common definition of connectivity as well as of community network (ii) and identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the deployment of community networks. Is anyone interested in helping me facilitating the drafting process (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments and consolidating the comments we will receive)? As mentioned previously, we could elaborate the draft declaration over the next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, and lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the IGF. What do you think? Best Luca [V Direito Rio] Luca Belli, PhD Senior Researcher Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/> luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> +55 21 3799 5763 [tp://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Ondas.png]

How about someone running the idea of the term “declaration” by any of their Govt colleagues and test their reaction? And, given that we are finding new good/best practices over time – are we talking about something Dynamic vs static? Food for thought. Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 3:33 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Subject: [DC3] RES: RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity There were Recommendations, Charters, Policy Statements, etc http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/dynamiccoalitions/2015-dynamic-coalition-out… De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Jane Coffin Enviada em: terça-feira, 6 de setembro de 2016 15:59 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Hi Luca – I think that that may work. To be clear, I am not opposed to the word Declaration, particularly if it is tied to Principles and Good Practices… Were there any Declarations last year? Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org> Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: <dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>> Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Hi jane, Perhaps “Policy Statement on Community Connectivity” could be more digestible? Best De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Jane Coffin Enviada em: terça-feira, 6 de setembro de 2016 15:18 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Hi All – I think we should definitely issue a document related to Community connectivity. One question for food for thought – if we call our output a declaration we trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments in particular) may find challenging. Could we find another word? I would hate to have people oppose what we are doing. Best, Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org> Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: <dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>> Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:16 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Subject: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Dear all, Over the past weeks, many list members have supported the elaboration of a declaration of principles and good practices on community connectivity to be presented at the IGF. So far, we have had some very good ideas coming up. Particularly, we may start drafting a “Guadalajara Declaration” (proposed by Steve) building on the excellent material circulated by Leandro (FONN principles https://guifi.net/en/FONNC ) and Jane (RFC 7962 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt) I would be very happy to facilitate the elaboration of an initial draft to circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i) elaborate a common definition of connectivity as well as of community network (ii) and identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the deployment of community networks. Is anyone interested in helping me facilitating the drafting process (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments and consolidating the comments we will receive)? As mentioned previously, we could elaborate the draft declaration over the next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, and lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the IGF. What do you think? Best Luca [Direito Rio] Luca Belli, PhD Senior Researcher Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/> luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> +55 21 3799 5763 [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Ondas.png]

I wholeheartedly agree with C.A. Best ________________________________________ De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de Carlos Afonso [ca(a)cafonso.ca] Enviado: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 1:03 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Why, John Perry Barlow could do one, why couldn't we? :-) []s fraternos --c.a. On 06/09/2016 15:18, Jane Coffin wrote: -- Carlos A. Afonso [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br CGI.br - http://cgi.br ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3

I go with Bob, we need to differ the access from infrastructure when we talk about declarations, because I heard some speeches about lifeline and subvention the access through de telcos etc. Even here in Brazil there are talks about "bolsa internet" and this not empower the people, just replicate the message that we need to consume information from the market. An idea in the middle is to create means to create community infrastructure where the government can use it and share the costs with the community provider and this idea is about to create laws to digital cities and digital policies with democratic governance and sustainability through councils with liquid democracy methodology and a public fund for example. Atenciosamente, ________________________________ Marcelo Saldanha Movimento de Espectro Livre / Movimento de Redes Livres Cel/Telgram/Whatsapp: 22-98842.0482 Skype : marcelo_secante ________________________________ No campo das ideias, o limite é sonhar o impossível e no campo das realizações, basta perseverar. -----Mensagem original----- De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de dc3(a)bob.ma Enviada em: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 18:51 Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity' Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity It helps to have written songs for the Grateful Dead ... If we do declarations I strongly urge separating a declaration about connectivity as infrastructure from the more aspirational goals of "access". This separation has been the key to the success of the Internet by decoupling the technology from the applications. My focus is on the enabling/empowering infrastructure. The is a shift to paying for the common infrastructure as a community. For profit is fine. The problem is that today's profit is made by having a third party taxing speech. By paying for infrastructure as a community we align the incentives. We need to be wary about too much emphasis on examples of volunteers to avoid false dichotomies of public/private and us/them. Perhaps something that JPB can endorse. -----Original Message----- From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] On Behalf Of Luca Belli Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 17:38 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity I wholeheartedly agree with C.A. Best ________________________________________ De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de Carlos Afonso [ca(a)cafonso.ca] Enviado: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 1:03 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Why, John Perry Barlow could do one, why couldn't we? :-) []s fraternos --c.a. On 06/09/2016 15:18, Jane Coffin wrote: connectivity. trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments in particular) may find challenging. are doing. declaration of principles and good practices on community connectivity to be presented at the IGF. circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i) elaborate a common definition of connectivity as well as of community network (ii) and identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the deployment of community networks. (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments and consolidating the comments we will receive)? next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, and lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the IGF. -- Carlos A. Afonso [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br CGI.br - http://cgi.br ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3

This is a why the problem is a business model of telecommunications that depends on a provider owning the facilities and making money by not preventing people from communicating. There is a “business case” for a different model in which communities own their local facilities. They can then purchase facilities for further connectivity. This is why framing is so important. The access framing is a dependency framing. The community ownership of the common facilities is not about networks nor the last mile. It’s about local infrastructure It is a real challenge it escape from the 19th century idea that networking is a service like railroads provide transportation. I’m working on an ambitious essay to try to explain that but it’s a bit early for any but the most interested to read at this point. From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] On Behalf Of Steve Song Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 14:00 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Subject: Re: [DC3] RES: RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Hi all, Speaking personally, I favour a bold statement. Good practices are important but a declaration (I chose the word deliberately) is about something you believe in and are prepared to take a stand on. Here is a statement that Peter Bloom and I came up with last year: ----- Up to 3 billion people in the world do not have access to communication infrastructure, and people in rural areas are unlikely to realize the benefits of access in the near term. There is no business case for extending coverage based on the current operational models of traditional network operators, and alternative strategies typically face nearly insurmountable regulatory hurdles. The access playing field has opened somewhat as Internet giants have entered the mix with infrastructure projects. But this raises further concerns about consolidation and neutrality. In order to reverse these trends and reclaim the role of the commons in networks, it is necessary to create the technology, policy and regulatory frameworks that empower communities and local entrepreneurs to solve their own connectivity challenges. Bottom-up strategies that embrace neutrality and diversity in the last mile will allow everyone to to play a role in bringing down costs and ensuring access. ----- We called it Last Mile DNA (Diversity and Neutrality of Access). I recognise that there are many issues related to access and I am not claiming this is the most important one but it does happen to be the one that I am prepared to nail my colours to the mast for. Cheers... Steve On 8 September 2016 at 09:00, Instituto Bem Estar Brasil &lt;instituto(a)bemestarbrasil.org.br <mailto:instituto@bemestarbrasil.org.br> > wrote: I go with Bob, we need to differ the access from infrastructure when we talk about declarations, because I heard some speeches about lifeline and subvention the access through de telcos etc. Even here in Brazil there are talks about "bolsa internet" and this not empower the people, just replicate the message that we need to consume information from the market. An idea in the middle is to create means to create community infrastructure where the government can use it and share the costs with the community provider and this idea is about to create laws to digital cities and digital policies with democratic governance and sustainability through councils with liquid democracy methodology and a public fund for example. Atenciosamente, ________________________________ Marcelo Saldanha Movimento de Espectro Livre / Movimento de Redes Livres Cel/Telgram/Whatsapp: 22-98842.0482 Skype : marcelo_secante ________________________________ No campo das ideias, o limite é sonhar o impossível e no campo das realizações, basta perseverar. -----Mensagem original----- De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> ] Em nome de dc3(a)bob.ma <mailto:dc3@bob.ma> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 18:51 Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity' Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity It helps to have written songs for the Grateful Dead ... If we do declarations I strongly urge separating a declaration about connectivity as infrastructure from the more aspirational goals of "access". This separation has been the key to the success of the Internet by decoupling the technology from the applications. My focus is on the enabling/empowering infrastructure. The is a shift to paying for the common infrastructure as a community. For profit is fine. The problem is that today's profit is made by having a third party taxing speech. By paying for infrastructure as a community we align the incentives. We need to be wary about too much emphasis on examples of volunteers to avoid false dichotomies of public/private and us/them. Perhaps something that JPB can endorse. -----Original Message----- From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> ] On Behalf Of Luca Belli Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 17:38 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> > Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity I wholeheartedly agree with C.A. Best ________________________________________ De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> ] em nome de Carlos Afonso [ca(a)cafonso.ca <mailto:ca@cafonso.ca> ] Enviado: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 1:03 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Why, John Perry Barlow could do one, why couldn't we? :-) []s fraternos --c.a. On 06/09/2016 15:18, Jane Coffin wrote: connectivity. trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments in particular) may find challenging. are doing. declaration of principles and good practices on community connectivity to be presented at the IGF. circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i) elaborate a common definition of connectivity as well as of community network (ii) and identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the deployment of community networks. (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments and consolidating the comments we will receive)? next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, and lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the IGF. -- Carlos A. Afonso [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br CGI.br - http://cgi.br ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 -- Steve Song +1 902 529 0046 http://villagetelco.org

Dear Luca & others I would like to add DEF's wireless for communities (W4C) principles in etherpad document. But I am unable to add points. Kindly allow me to access ether pad. Regards Ritu On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Nicolás Echániz &lt;nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net > So... let's start working on a pad towards a declaration text? > > I've copied texts that have already been mentioned here: > > https://pad.codigosur.org/GuadalajaraDeclaration > > > I also added AlterMundi's definitions. > > We differentiate Free Network from Community Network with the goal of > targeting a bigger audience. A small commercial ISP could easily adhere > to the Free Network principles, while they could not be considered > Community Networks. > > Maybe we can work a bit on ideas on this pad and then have an online > audio-conference at some point to share thoughts? > > > Cheers! > Nico > > > On 09/08/2016 03:00 PM, Steve Song wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Speaking personally, I favour a bold statement. Good practices are > > important but a declaration (I chose the word deliberately) is about > > something you believe in and are prepared to take a stand on. Here is a > > statement that Peter Bloom and I came up with last year: > > > > ----- > > Up to 3 billion people in the world do not have access to communication > > infrastructure, and people in rural areas are unlikely to realize the > > benefits of access in the near term. There is no business case for > > extending coverage based on the current operational models of > > traditional network operators, and alternative strategies typically face > > nearly insurmountable regulatory hurdles. The access playing field has > > opened somewhat as Internet giants have entered the mix with > > infrastructure projects. But this raises further concerns about > > consolidation and neutrality. In order to reverse these trends and > > reclaim the role of the commons in networks, it is necessary to create > > the technology, policy and regulatory frameworks that empower > > communities and local entrepreneurs to solve their own connectivity > > challenges. Bottom-up strategies that embrace neutrality and diversity > > in the last mile will allow everyone to to play a role in bringing down > > costs and ensuring access. > > ----- > > > > We called it Last Mile DNA (Diversity and Neutrality of Access). I > > recognise that there are many issues related to access and I am not > > claiming this is the most important one but it does happen to be the one > > that I am prepared to nail my colours to the mast for. > > > > Cheers... Steve > > > > > > > > > > On 8 September 2016 at 09:00, Instituto Bem Estar Brasil > > &lt;instituto(a)bemestarbrasil.org.br > > <mailto:instituto@bemestarbrasil.org.br>> > > > I go with Bob, we need to differ the access from infrastructure when > > we talk > > about declarations, because I heard some speeches about lifeline and > > subvention the access through de telcos etc. Even here in Brazil > > there are > > talks about "bolsa internet" and this not empower the people, just > > replicate > > the message that we need to consume information from the market. An > > idea in > > the middle is to create means to create community infrastructure > > where the > > government can use it and share the costs with the community > > provider and > > this idea is about to create laws to digital cities and digital > policies > > with democratic governance and sustainability through councils with > > liquid > > democracy methodology and a public fund for example. > > > > > > Atenciosamente, > > ________________________________ > > Marcelo Saldanha > > Movimento de Espectro Livre / Movimento de Redes Livres > > Cel/Telgram/Whatsapp: 22-98842.0482 > > Skype : marcelo_secante > > ________________________________ > > No campo das ideias, o limite é sonhar o impossível e no campo das > > realizações, basta perseverar. > > > > > > > > > > -----Mensagem original----- > > De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> > > [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] Em nome de dc3(a)bob.ma > > <mailto:dc3@bob.ma> > > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 18:51 > > Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity' > > Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles > > and Good > > Practices on Community Connectivity > > > > It helps to have written songs for the Grateful Dead ... > > > > If we do declarations I strongly urge separating a declaration about > > connectivity as infrastructure from the more aspirational goals of > > "access". > > This separation has been the key to the success of the Internet by > > decoupling the technology from the applications. > > > > My focus is on the enabling/empowering infrastructure. The is a > shift to > > paying for the common infrastructure as a community. For profit is > > fine. The > > problem is that today's profit is made by having a third party taxing > > speech. By paying for infrastructure as a community we align the > > incentives. > > We need to be wary about too much emphasis on examples of volunteers > to > > avoid false dichotomies of public/private and us/them. Perhaps > something > > that JPB can endorse. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> > > [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] On Behalf Of Luca Belli > > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 17:38 > > To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> > > Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and > Good > > Practices on Community Connectivity > > > > I wholeheartedly agree with C.A. > > Best > > ________________________________________ > > De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> > > [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] em > > nome de Carlos Afonso [ca(a)cafonso.ca <mailto:ca@cafonso.ca>] > > Enviado: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 1:03 > > Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > > Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and > Good > > Practices on Community Connectivity > > > > Why, John Perry Barlow could do one, why couldn't we? :-) > > > > []s fraternos > > > > --c.a. > > > > On 06/09/2016 15:18, Jane Coffin wrote: > > > Hi All – > > > > > > I think we should definitely issue a document related to Community > > connectivity. > > > > > > One question for food for thought – if we call our output a > > > declaration we > > trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments > in > > particular) may find challenging. > > > > > > Could we find another word? I would hate to have people oppose > what > > > we > > are doing. > > > > > > Best, > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org > > <http://www.internetsociety.org> > > > Skype: janercoffin > > > Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 <tel:%2B1.202.247.8429> > > > > > > From: &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Luca Belli > > > &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>> > > > Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > > > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> > > > Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:16 PM > > > To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > > > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> > > > Subject: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good > > > Practices on Community Connectivity > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Over the past weeks, many list members have supported the > elaboration > > > of a > > declaration of principles and good practices on community > > connectivity to be > > presented at the IGF. > > > So far, we have had some very good ideas coming up. Particularly, > we > > > may start drafting a “Guadalajara Declaration” (proposed by Steve) > > > building on the excellent material circulated by Leandro (FONN > > > principles https://guifi.net/en/FONNC ) and Jane (RFC 7962 > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt > > <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt>) > > > > > > I would be very happy to facilitate the elaboration of an initial > > > draft to > > circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i) > > elaborate a > > common definition of connectivity as well as of community network > > (ii) and > > identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the > > deployment of community networks. > > > Is anyone interested in helping me facilitating the drafting > process > > (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments > and > > consolidating the comments we will receive)? > > > > > > As mentioned previously, we could elaborate the draft declaration > over > > > the > > next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, > and > > lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the > IGF. > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Best > > > Luca > > > > > > [GV Direito Rio] > _______________________________________________ > DC3 mailing list > DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net > https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 > -- With warm regards, ------------------------------------ Ritu Srivastava Senior Programme Manager Digital Empowerment Foundation (DEF) 44, III Floor, Kalu Sarai, New Delhi-110016, India *Contact Details:* O: 011-26532786 / 26532787 M: +91-9999369624 Email Id: ritu(a)defindia.net The “Internet Rights” is an initiative through which DEF is consistently making an effort to make Internet as a medium to reach the masses, to create even opportunities and linkages between haves and have-nots so that the grassroots knowledge reaches the economic prosperity and vice-versa through information communication technology and digital media. 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I finally got a chance to look at this. I approach this outside the framing of networks but rather as a way to use common infrastructure. One way this plays it is that I see the ability to connect everywhere as an opportunity but not a guarantee. Local connectivity using whatever facilities are available is just as important. This is part of view connectivity outside the framing of telecommunications. I'm not sure how to have this conversation in the framing of the declaration. It does have implications in how we approach connectivity. So much of the way we talk about this is implicitly framed in terms of telecommunications with implicit assumptions. I’m working on a long essay trying to make those assumptions explicit. I can provide a pointer if there is interest but it has zero proofreading at this point and probably many confusing typos). -----Original Message----- From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] On Behalf Of Nicolás Echániz Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 20:27 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Subject: Re: [DC3] RES: RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity So... let's start working on a pad towards a declaration text? I've copied texts that have already been mentioned here: https://pad.codigosur.org/GuadalajaraDeclaration I also added AlterMundi's definitions. We differentiate Free Network from Community Network with the goal of targeting a bigger audience. A small commercial ISP could easily adhere to the Free Network principles, while they could not be considered Community Networks. Maybe we can work a bit on ideas on this pad and then have an online audio-conference at some point to share thoughts? Cheers! Nico On 09/08/2016 03:00 PM, Steve Song wrote: policies to to something Good elaboration and over and IGF. _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3