Re: [DC3] RES: RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity

I go with Bob, we need to differ the access from infrastructure when we talk about declarations, because I heard some speeches about lifeline and subvention the access through de telcos etc. Even here in Brazil there are talks about "bolsa internet" and this not empower the people, just replicate the message that we need to consume information from the market. An idea in the middle is to create means to create community infrastructure where the government can use it and share the costs with the community provider and this idea is about to create laws to digital cities and digital policies with democratic governance and sustainability through councils with liquid democracy methodology and a public fund for example. Atenciosamente, ________________________________ Marcelo Saldanha Movimento de Espectro Livre / Movimento de Redes Livres Cel/Telgram/Whatsapp: 22-98842.0482 Skype : marcelo_secante ________________________________ No campo das ideias, o limite é sonhar o impossível e no campo das realizações, basta perseverar. -----Mensagem original----- De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de dc3(a)bob.ma Enviada em: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 18:51 Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity' Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity It helps to have written songs for the Grateful Dead ... If we do declarations I strongly urge separating a declaration about connectivity as infrastructure from the more aspirational goals of "access". This separation has been the key to the success of the Internet by decoupling the technology from the applications. My focus is on the enabling/empowering infrastructure. The is a shift to paying for the common infrastructure as a community. For profit is fine. The problem is that today's profit is made by having a third party taxing speech. By paying for infrastructure as a community we align the incentives. We need to be wary about too much emphasis on examples of volunteers to avoid false dichotomies of public/private and us/them. Perhaps something that JPB can endorse. -----Original Message----- From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] On Behalf Of Luca Belli Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 17:38 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity I wholeheartedly agree with C.A. Best ________________________________________ De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de Carlos Afonso [ca(a)cafonso.ca] Enviado: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 1:03 Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity Why, John Perry Barlow could do one, why couldn't we? :-) []s fraternos --c.a. On 06/09/2016 15:18, Jane Coffin wrote: > Hi All – > I think we should definitely issue a document related to Community connectivity. > One question for food for thought – if we call our output a > declaration we trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments in particular) may find challenging. > Could we find another word? I would hate to have people oppose what > we are doing. > Best, > Jane > Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org > Skype: janercoffin > Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 > From: &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of Luca Belli > &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; > Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; > Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:16 PM > To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; > Subject: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good > Practices on Community Connectivity > Dear all, > Over the past weeks, many list members have supported the elaboration > of a declaration of principles and good practices on community connectivity to be presented at the IGF. > So far, we have had some very good ideas coming up. Particularly, we > may start drafting a “Guadalajara Declaration” (proposed by Steve) > building on the excellent material circulated by Leandro (FONN > principles https://guifi.net/en/FONNC ) and Jane (RFC 7962 > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt) > I would be very happy to facilitate the elaboration of an initial > draft to circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i) elaborate a common definition of connectivity as well as of community network (ii) and identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the deployment of community networks. (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments and consolidating the comments we will receive)? > As mentioned previously, we could elaborate the draft declaration over > the next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, and lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the IGF. > What do you think? > Best > Luca > [GV Direito Rio] > Luca Belli, PhD > Senior Researcher > Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/> > luca.belli(a)fgv.br > +55 21 3799 5763 > [ttp://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Ondas.png] > _______________________________________________ > DC3 mailing list > DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net > https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 -- Carlos A. 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