24 Feb
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24 Feb
'21
10:37 a.m.
Dear people,
The MAG is discussing an interesting proposal for a Policy Network on Meaningful Access,
which is closely related to the work of the DC3, among other initiatives.
Please read the attached document. It is a draft and the PN is not yet approved.
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24 Feb
24 Feb
10:44 a.m.
Dear Carlos, all:
I fully support this proposal, and also appreciate that they listed the DC3
as an ideal community to work with who already reflect the principles of
this work.
Best,
-Michael
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:38 AM Carlos Afonso <ca(a)cafonso.ca> wrote:
Dear people,
The MAG is discussing an interesting proposal for a Policy Network on
Meaningful Access, which is closely related to the work of the DC3, among
other initiatives.
Please read the attached document. It is a draft and the PN is not yet
approved.
[]s fraternos
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11:05 a.m.
Caro Michael & all, your feedback will be quite relevant for us to refine the
proposal.
fraternal regards
--c.a.
On 24/02/2021 07:44, Michael J. Oghia wrote:
Dear Carlos, all:
I fully support this proposal, and also appreciate that they listed the DC3
as an ideal community to work with who already reflect the principles of
this work.
Best,
-Michael
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:38 AM Carlos Afonso <ca(a)cafonso.ca> wrote:
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Dear people,
The MAG is discussing an interesting proposal for a Policy Network on
Meaningful Access, which is closely related to the work of the DC3, among
other initiatives.
Please read the attached document. It is a draft and the PN is not yet
approved.
[]s fraternos
--c.a.
--
Carlos A. Afonso
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11:19 a.m.
Thanks for sharing this CA!
How should we provie feedback?
We have elaborated substantial DC3 outputs that are ready to be used for this effort
Very interested in seeing how this will evolve.
Best
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Caro Michael & all, your feedback will be quite relevant for us to refine the
proposal.
fraternal regards
--c.a.
On 24/02/2021 07:44, Michael J. Oghia wrote:
Dear Carlos, all:
I fully support this proposal, and also appreciate that they listed the DC3
as an ideal community to work with who already reflect the principles of
this work.
Best,
-Michael
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Dear people,
The MAG is discussing an interesting proposal for a Policy Network on
Meaningful Access, which is closely related to the work of the DC3, among
other initiatives.
Please read the attached document. It is a draft and the PN is not yet
approved.
[]s fraternos
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25 Feb
25 Feb
5:44 a.m.
As an ordinary DC3 member, I have please the following questions...
What could be the role of DC3 within this policy network?
How would DC3 be heard within this policy network?
How can DC3 get access to the information discussed at the PN?
Would PN activites be binding on DC3?
I am very pleased to see access given a prominant place again. I remember
the WSIS prep coms well and access was the Big topic of the those times
...in those times the free email account, and move to wireless connectivity
were about connecting the unconnected fast... in reality we are still
concerned with these foundational matters and now quality internet matters,
really matters ....
Amali De Silva - Mitchell.
On Wednesday, 24 February 2021, Carlos Afonso <ca(a)cafonso.ca> wrote:
Dear people,
The MAG is discussing an interesting proposal for a Policy Network on
Meaningful Access, which is closely related to the work of the DC3, among
other initiatives.
Please read the attached document. It is a draft and the PN is not yet
approved.
[]s fraternos
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--
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9 a.m.
Hi Amali,
These are excellent questions.
It would be great if CA could share more insight on this project.
I think it might have potential but I agree it seems quite fuzzy/undefined so far
Looking forwar to hearing more
Best
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Enviado: quinta-feira, 25 de fevereiro de 2021 02:44
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Assunto: Re: [DC3] new proposal: Policy Network on Meaningful Access
As an ordinary DC3 member, I have please the following questions...
What could be the role of DC3 within this policy network?
How would DC3 be heard within this policy network?
How can DC3 get access to the information discussed at the PN?
Would PN activites be binding on DC3?
I am very pleased to see access given a prominant place again. I remember the WSIS prep
coms well and access was the Big topic of the those times ...in those times the free email
account, and move to wireless connectivity were about connecting the unconnected fast...
in reality we are still concerned with these foundational matters and now quality internet
matters, really matters ....
Amali De Silva - Mitchell.
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<ca@cafonso.ca<mailto:ca@cafonso.ca>> wrote:
Dear people,
The MAG is discussing an interesting proposal for a Policy Network on Meaningful Access,
which is closely related to the work of the DC3, among other initiatives.
Please read the attached document. It is a draft and the PN is not yet approved.
[]s fraternos
--c.a.
--
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11:43 a.m.
Hi Amali, thanks for the pertinent comments/questions. The draft document is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lGRiSIBKQodCUt_s-1LTGe4XMtfOB3GrDbDk11N…
fraternal regards
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On 25/02/2021 02:44, Amali De Silva - Mitchell wrote:
As an ordinary DC3 member, I have please the following
questions...
What could be the role of DC3 within this policy network?
How would DC3 be heard within this policy network?
How can DC3 get access to the information discussed at the PN?
Would PN activites be binding on DC3?
I am very pleased to see access given a prominant place again. I remember
the WSIS prep coms well and access was the Big topic of the those times
...in those times the free email account, and move to wireless connectivity
were about connecting the unconnected fast... in reality we are still
concerned with these foundational matters and now quality internet matters,
really matters ....
Amali De Silva - Mitchell.
On Wednesday, 24 February 2021, Carlos Afonso <ca(a)cafonso.ca> wrote:
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Dear people,
The MAG is discussing an interesting proposal for a Policy Network on
Meaningful Access, which is closely related to the work of the DC3, among
other initiatives.
Please read the attached document. It is a draft and the PN is not yet
approved.
[]s fraternos
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Carlos A. Afonso
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9:48 a.m.
Thank you Carlos for this invitation.
I do not want to sound as a nay-sayer. But, aren't the called parties
already connected? Inviting Microsoft, Mozilla, etc. is like
perpetuating the dominion of the great corporations on the people.
White man saves savages is a proved bad strategy.
On the other hand, I also see "The Secretariat" repetitively mentioned.
That sounds so bureaucratic that it does not seem that it would connect
Juanita García and her neighbors in a meaningful way.
I do think that if you really want to do what is portrayed, the
structure should be "from the ground, up" (or something like that) as
you mention in your invitation. It should invite those that are already
connected to _listen_ to the proposals and implement them; not to create
them. Avoiding these macro institutions would be a first step. Making
a meeting in Switzerland would definitely exclude Janita García. Any
other policy would perpetuate exclusion.
I hope this suggestion does not come in too late and I have presented it
in wholehearted good will.
Greetings,
Quiliro
26 Feb
26 Feb
12:50 a.m.
It may be worth if Carlos or any or the other active MAG members can explain to the DC
members about what the 2 policy networks are, how are they different from the BPFs, who is
sponsoring/supporting them, the role of the secretariat, etc. It is worth reading or
referring to the UNSG Roadmap for digital cooperation, where the mechanism for policy
network is first introduced/proposed to the IGF.
As for the comments around not including Microsoft, Mozilla and others, that will not be
very multistakeholder-like, as the IGF mechanisms are supposed to allow and support
engagement and participation with all stakeholders. These 2 companies in particular have
invested considerable funds and time from their staff to support many projects from the
ground up, so as donors/allies in this space, they can bring other experiences to the
table. Have a look at the AirBand grant recipients from Microsoft for example, to see many
community-driven projects that are not on this mailing list and may be good to engage.
Regards,
Sylvia
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5:04 a.m.
I wholeheartedly agree Sylvia!
Best,
-Michael
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 1:50 AM Sylvia Cadena <sylvia(a)apnic.net> wrote:
It may be worth if Carlos or any or the other active
MAG members can
explain to the DC members about what the 2 policy networks are, how are
they different from the BPFs, who is sponsoring/supporting them, the role
of the secretariat, etc. It is worth reading or referring to the UNSG
Roadmap for digital cooperation, where the mechanism for policy network is
first introduced/proposed to the IGF.
As for the comments around not including Microsoft, Mozilla and others,
that will not be very multistakeholder-like, as the IGF mechanisms are
supposed to allow and support engagement and participation with all
stakeholders. These 2 companies in particular have invested considerable
funds and time from their staff to support many projects from the ground
up, so as donors/allies in this space, they can bring other experiences to
the table. Have a look at the AirBand grant recipients from Microsoft for
example, to see many community-driven projects that are not on this mailing
list and may be good to engage.
Regards,
Sylvia
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1:06 a.m.
"Michael J. Oghia" <mike.oghia(a)gmail.com> writes:
I wholeheartedly agree Sylvia!
Best,
-Michael
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 1:50 AM Sylvia Cadena <sylvia(a)apnic.net> wrote:
It may be worth if Carlos or any or the other active MAG members can
explain to the DC members about what the 2 policy networks are, how
are they different from the BPFs, who is sponsoring/supporting them,
the role of the secretariat, etc. It is worth reading or referring to
the UNSG Roadmap for digital cooperation, where the mechanism for
policy network is first introduced/proposed to the IGF.
As for the comments around not including Microsoft, Mozilla and
others, that will not be very multistakeholder-like, as the IGF
mechanisms are supposed to allow and support engagement and
participation with all stakeholders. These 2 companies in particular
have invested considerable funds and time from their staff to support
many projects from the ground up, so as donors/allies in this space,
they can bring other experiences to the table. Have a look at the
AirBand grant recipients from Microsoft for example, to see many
community-driven projects that are not on this mailing list and may
be good to engage.
Oh! So it is a question of funding. I see. Those who fund the
projects decide what the community needs and how it is to be
implemented. And the bureaucrats are the proxies.
Where does the population in general have influence in the process, if
the giants which already control the networks are everywhere? Isn't
there a real multistakeholder process where the giants get only one vote
per person as well as every single person in the planet? They would
certainly be outnumbered and would have little say regarding policy, if
it were a truly democratic multistakeholder process.
I Know that these social marketing campains are initiatives of those
giants. But there is no reason that community networks place their
stamp on those non-community policies.
The policies should be made by the people who will use the networks.
The networks should be controlled by the users. The standards should
not be advantageous to the giants, but to the small stakeholders.
The only way to give power to the powerless is to equate the power of
the least powerful with the power of the most powerful by way of an
equal vote. Regarding vote, rich white men were better prepared than
the poor or dark skinned or the women. But as soon as the vote was
given to these groups, they gained skills, little by little. Now all
groups have the same capacity. The same is with networks. As soon as
the unconnected get to decide, they will have the same experience as the
giants. But policy will be advantageous to them; not to the giants. So
investment or experience is no excuse to give them half the power
because the control the network or because they have money or
experience.
Change can come about if there are real intentions of allowing
appropriation of networks by the people and not of the implementation of
top-down policies. That would make the digital divide even worse, as it
has been happening with the current control of giants over the networks.
In wholehearted good will,
Quiliro
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