Maybe people from the guifi.net ecosystem can fill the comercial stakeholder seat. Leandro, Roger, do you think people doing business within the network as a commons could be interested in participating? cheers, Nico ps: comercial doesn't mean it needs to be a big corporation. On June 22, 2018 4:36:53 PM GMT-03:00, Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; wrote: Just another element of clarification   As stated in my inicial email, the IGF Secretariat requests that the session should be multistakeholder. This means we should have at least one private-sector repressnetative and this is precisely why I thought about Google India. But that was a mere suggestion and the last thing I would like to do is raising any sensitivities J   Another option to have a – potential partner – representing private sector would be Open Fiber, which is an Italian wholesale connectivity provider whose model is very intersting and very compatible with CNs development. They have no vertical integration with content and app and only provide wholesale bandwith to both urban and rural areas.   Here an article to know more (unfortunately only in Italian but you can translate it with you favourite online translator J) https://assoprovider.it/perche-open-fiber-modello-wholesale-only-e-5g-sono-…   *De:* dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] *Em nome de *Luca Belli *Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 16:12 *Para:* Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Assunto:* [DC3] RES: DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14   Hi Bob and Peter.   Just to clarify. Obviously I was NOT suggesting that Free WiFi and CNs are the same ting...   That is precisely the resaon why I was suggesting to – potentially – include a representative from Google India in part 3 of the session, dedicated to exploring potential interactions/partnerships with different stakeholders   To be even more explicit, what I had in my mind was the posibility to consider Google Free WiFi (or other free wifi initiatives) as a potential source of connectivity for CNs…   *De:* dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] *Em nome de *dc3(a)bob.ma <mailto:dc3@bob.ma> *Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 09:23 *Para:* 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity ' &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> *Assunto:* Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14   I see it as not so much free vs. community as whether there is a sustainable model rather than one dependent upon a benevolent donor. A donor can play a role in establishing in idea if there is a path towards communities funding their connectivity be the community very local or national. The other issue is whether there is spotty coverage or a path for assuming what I’m calling Ambient Connectivity everywhere. Finally is this infrastructure or does one have to login which is what I call web-fi and not full connectivity.   *From:*dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> *On Behalf Of *Peter *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2018 08:11 *To:* dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>; dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-request@listas.altermundi.net> *Subject:* Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14   Hard no on google. Free wifi and community networks are not the same thing On June 22, 2018 2:49:38 AM CDT, dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-request@listas.altermundi.net> wrote: Send DC3 mailing list submissions to       dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit       https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to       dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-request@listas.altermundi.net> You can reach the person managing the list at       dc3-owner(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-owner@listas.altermundi.net> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DC3 digest..." Today's Topics:    1. Planning the DC3 Session (Luca Belli)    2. Re: Planning the DC3 Session (Jane Coffin) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:18:53 +0000 From: Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>> To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity       &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Cc: &quot;donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net <mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>" &lt;donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net <mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>> Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session Message-ID: &lt;4B6296ABAE1FC944984F6C9FE996FE19016B295747(a)DC6010.fgv.br <mailto:4B6296ABAE1FC944984F6C9FE996FE19016B295747@DC6010.fgv.br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session. As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should send a draft session proposal by 29 June. As discussed at Rightscon<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_…54>, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts: 1.       presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the "CN Manual" mentioned in my previous email) 2.       discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges they are facing 3.       discussion with potential partners FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!). The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and geographically diverse. I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3. The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description. As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names? As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union. Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included in the discussion https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li… What do you think? Best Luca [FGV Direito Rio] Luca Belli, PhD Senior Researcher Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/> luca.belli(a)fgv.br <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br> +55 21 3799 5763 @1lucabelli<https://twitter.com/1lucabelli> [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Ondas.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://listas.altermundi.net/pipermail/dc3/attachments/20180621/522e7a7a/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:49:32 +0000 From: Jane Coffin &lt;coffin(a)isoc.org <mailto:coffin@isoc.org>> To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity       &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Cc: &quot;donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net <mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>" &lt;donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net <mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>> Subject: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session Message-ID: &lt;66340B52-B6D7-44D8-8CD1-AEF74CDE711A(a)isoc.org <mailto:66340B52-B6D7-44D8-8CD1-AEF74CDE711A@isoc.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Luca ? Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly ?). CNs ? from my experience ? go through phases of development and phases of challenges. In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the: -start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services or ports/other) -Intermediate phase ? from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services at the IXP.? Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more accustomed to what they are doing)? more members have generally joined as the value-add (value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the community.? Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery networks. -more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) ? generally not commercial, but a business nonetheless ? more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform.? Classic bottom-up governance and a clear Internet player. *there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the case for CNs For CNs ? my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner. -?start-up? -Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the network up) -More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased and the platform is managed. Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases in the compendium for future consideration? Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases. The development of CNs is of great interest.? What I have not noted is the importance to the community ? social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change. Best, Jane   Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org> Skype:  janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp:  +1.202.247.8429 From: &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>> Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> Cc: &quot;donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net <mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>" &lt;donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net <mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>> Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session Hi all,   A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session. As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should send a draft session proposal by 29 June.   As discussed at Rightscon, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts: presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the ?CN Manual? mentioned in my previous email) discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges they are facing discussion with potential partners   FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!). The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and geographically diverse.   I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3. The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.   As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?   As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.   Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included in the discussion https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…   What do you think? 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Could we bring them in via a video link so that their time is maximized and efficiently used, and there is no expense. Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 *From: *&lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of Leandro Navarro < leandro(a)pangea.org&gt; *Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Date: *Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 12:22 PM *To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity < dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Subject: *Re: [DC3] RES: RES: DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 I've learnt that professionals, individual or SMEs, tend to be too busy (not only due to the pressure of the work to do, and SLA commitments that do not let them to go too far, but also sometimes due to the pressure of the loans to return) and they don't see the positive balance in traveling and sharing their own experience. In addition, they are not comfortable with it. Therefore is too difficult to bring them to international events, even to local ones, unless these events are really focused into and have a clear impact in their business. We'll keep trying anyway. Cheers, Leandro. On 22/6/18 21:52, Nicolás Echániz wrote: Maybe people from the guifi.net ecosystem can fill the comercial stakeholder seat. Leandro, Roger, do you think people doing business within the network as a commons could be interested in participating? cheers, Nico ps: comercial doesn't mean it needs to be a big corporation. On June 22, 2018 4:36:53 PM GMT-03:00, Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; wrote: Just another element of clarification As stated in my inicial email, the IGF Secretariat requests that the session should be multistakeholder. This means we should have at least one private-sector repressnetative and this is precisely why I thought about Google India. But that was a mere suggestion and the last thing I would like to do is raising any sensitivities J Another option to have a – potential partner – representing private sector would be Open Fiber, which is an Italian wholesale connectivity provider whose model is very intersting and very compatible with CNs development. They have no vertical integration with content and app and only provide wholesale bandwith to both urban and rural areas. Here an article to know more (unfortunately only in Italian but you can translate it with you favourite online translator J) https://assoprovider.it/perche-open-fiber-modello- wholesale-only-e-5g-sono-le-novita-dei-prossimi-anni/ *De:* dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas. altermundi.net &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt;] *Em nome de *Luca Belli *Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 16:12 *Para:* Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Assunto:* [DC3] RES: DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 Hi Bob and Peter. Just to clarify. Obviously I was NOT suggesting that Free WiFi and CNs are the same ting... That is precisely the resaon why I was suggesting to – potentially – include a representative from Google India in part 3 of the session, dedicated to exploring potential interactions/partnerships with different stakeholders To be even more explicit, what I had in my mind was the posibility to consider Google Free WiFi (or other free wifi initiatives) as a potential source of connectivity for CNs… *De:* dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas. altermundi.net &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt;] *Em nome de * dc3(a)bob.ma *Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 09:23 *Para:* 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity ' < dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Assunto:* Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 I see it as not so much free vs. community as whether there is a sustainable model rather than one dependent upon a benevolent donor. A donor can play a role in establishing in idea if there is a path towards communities funding their connectivity be the community very local or national. The other issue is whether there is spotty coverage or a path for assuming what I’m calling Ambient Connectivity everywhere. Finally is this infrastructure or does one have to login which is what I call web-fi and not full connectivity. *From:* dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <dc3-bounces@listas. altermundi.net> *On Behalf Of *Peter *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2018 08:11 *To:* dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net; dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net *Subject:* Re: [DC3] DC3 Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14 Hard no on google. Free wifi and community networks are not the same thing On June 22, 2018 2:49:38 AM CDT, dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net wrote: Send DC3 mailing list submissions to dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dc3-request(a)listas.altermundi.net You can reach the person managing the list at dc3-owner(a)listas.altermundi.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DC3 digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Planning the DC3 Session (Luca Belli) 2. Re: Planning the DC3 Session (Jane Coffin) ------------------------------ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:18:53 +0000 From: Luca Belli &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br&gt; To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Cc: &quot;donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net&quot; &lt;donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net&gt; Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session Message-ID: &lt;4B6296ABAE1FC944984F6C9FE996FE19016B295747(a)DC6010.fgv.br&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session. As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should send a draft session proposal by 29 June. As discussed at Rightscon<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_…54>, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts: 1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the "CN Manual" mentioned in my previous email) 2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges they are facing 3. discussion with potential partners FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!). The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and geographically diverse. I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3. The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description. As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names? As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union. Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included in the discussion https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li… What do you think? Best Luca [FGV Direito Rio] Luca Belli, PhD Senior Researcher Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/> luca.belli(a)fgv.br +55 21 3799 5763 @1lucabelli<https://twitter.com/1lucabelli> [http://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Ondas.png]