Thanks, (and a request for more cases below if you read the details) To me it is a great proof of the level of maturity a CN can achieve. The offer document is a perfect example of how a community infrastructure can be attractive not only to the local beneficiaries, but also to anyone attracted by social impact and ethical investment. The lesson to me is just how encouraging it is to see that there are ways that work in the really hard case of successful ethical investment. What works for cooperative fibre there, works similarly in guifi.net with the XAFOGAR project with public/private investment, (page 99 <https://giswatch.org/sites/default/files/giswatch18_web_0.pdf>), can work too for IXPs, distributed IXPs like what guifi.net or REMIX <https://mf208.host.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/pdf/gaia16_remix.pdf> (Scotland) does, or what other cooperative fiber networks can do. Do you know of any other "bankable" network infrastructure? (including access, distributed IXPs, open-access wholesale networks). This is in the context of these slides <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-gaia-bcp-on-cooperative-fibre-networks-00> (slides 6, 7 show different models and layering of optical networks), prepared for IETF 105 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-gaia-05> but saved to the next IETF 106 due to lack of time in a very interesting session <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-gaia-05> chaired by Jane and me in Toronto. If you give me examples I can add them to the collection for a WIP document. In fact, I am writing this from home with my guifi.net IP address, one of the cases in these slides, a 600 Mbps optical network connection using the Telefonica NEBA (VULA/Bitstream) wholesale service to reach the guifi.net exchange in Barcelona, operated by eXO.cat, the Barcelona volunteer association as part of guifi.net. All the best, Leandro. On 30/07/2019 11:33, Jane Coffin wrote:

Interesting question about spectrum as an asset after my Ofcom post. It is an asset to the extent we accept physical metaphors. I compare it to Taxi medallions that were assets until Uber. Then we find out that the whole medallion market was propped up by unsavory characters. I spent some time in the world of finance and one of the big ideas has been the inventions of “instruments” or financial assets such as bags full of mortgages (don’t look inside the bag!). Even the land itself is not usable as collateral are options on use that might be. The casino thing was one example with its own host of problems. What happens to spectrum-secured loans when we move past it? Bob Frankston <https://Frankston.com> https://Frankston.com From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; On Behalf Of Jane Coffin Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:13 To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt;et>; Mariel Triggs &lt;mariel(a)muralnet.org&gt;rg>; Matthew Rantanen &lt;mrantanen(a)sctdv.net&gt; Subject: Re: [DC3] Investment on community fiber from Ethical bank Hi Leandro – I never responded to this note. A few observations and cc’ing Matt Rantanen and Mariel Triggs (both are working with/on tribal CN solutions). Spectrum is considered by some funders as an “asset” (even where the community may be a “steward” vs “direct owner” of the spectrum). Loans can be secured when a community has a spectrum allocation. On land as an asset: For many/most US tribal communities, tribal land is sovereign and can not be put up as collateral for loans. Matt/Mariel – is there more re what is bankable from your experience? Best, Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org> Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> > on behalf of Leandro Navarro &lt;leandro(a)pangea.org <mailto:leandro@pangea.org> > Organization: Pangea.org Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> > Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:44 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net> > Subject: Re: [DC3] Investment on community fiber from Ethical bank Thanks, (and a request for more cases below if you read the details) To me it is a great proof of the level of maturity a CN can achieve. The offer document is a perfect example of how a community infrastructure can be attractive not only to the local beneficiaries, but also to anyone attracted by social impact and ethical investment. The lesson to me is just how encouraging it is to see that there are ways that work in the really hard case of successful ethical investment. What works for cooperative fibre there, works similarly in guifi.net with the XAFOGAR project with public/private investment, (page 99 <https://giswatch.org/sites/default/files/giswatch18_web_0.pdf> ), can work too for IXPs, distributed IXPs like what guifi.net or REMIX <https://mf208.host.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/pdf/gaia16_remix.pdf> (Scotland) does, or what other cooperative fiber networks can do. Do you know of any other "bankable" network infrastructure? (including access, distributed IXPs, open-access wholesale networks). This is in the context of these slides <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-gaia-bcp-on-cooperative-fibre-networks-00> (slides 6, 7 show different models and layering of optical networks), prepared for IETF 105 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-gaia-05> but saved to the next IETF 106 due to lack of time in a very interesting session <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-gaia-05> chaired by Jane and me in Toronto. If you give me examples I can add them to the collection for a WIP document. In fact, I am writing this from home with my guifi.net IP address, one of the cases in these slides, a 600 Mbps optical network connection using the Telefonica NEBA (VULA/Bitstream) wholesale service to reach the guifi.net exchange in Barcelona, operated by eXO.cat, the Barcelona volunteer association as part of guifi.net. All the best, Leandro. On 30/07/2019 11:33, Jane Coffin wrote: Leandro - Thank you very much. Critical to use this example and work with investors moving forward for CNs and small local access nets. Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org> Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 On 7/30/19, 3:01 AM, <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.netonbehalfofLeandroNavarro> &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf of Leandro Navarro" <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.netonbehalfofleandro@pangea.org> &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf of leandro(a)pangea.org&gt; wrote: From Triodos, a pioneer in ethical banking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triodos_Bank They offered a round of investment open to the public in the B4RN rural community fibre. You can see they reached 102% of the target investment (3 Million GBP) in this public call: https://www.triodoscrowdfunding.co.uk/invest/broadband-for-the-rural-north In the offer document you can see the description of the initiative for potential investors. They offer 4.5% interest rate for an investment in 7 year term. The call it seems is still open for another month but oriented to UK residents. A proof that CN proposals can be both feasible and sustainable in financial (bankable) and local impact. All the best, Leandro. _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3

Hi Leandro – There are some exciting projects coming about rights of way in some tribal lands. See this info about Arcadian Infracom.  Matt R knows some of the folks involved. CN branching fibre may be part of this wholesale project. On the rural Coops – I think this can be adapted and used, but it does depend on the tribal communities and rules/regs. Note that we are seeing some push-back from some municipal (muni) projects where US Federal rules are limiting.  Stay tuned and Chris Mitchell through ILSR has a lot of data on this. Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: Leandro Navarro &lt;leandro(a)pangea.org&gt; Organization: Pangea.org Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 12:27 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt;et>, Jane Coffin &lt;coffin(a)isoc.org&gt;rg>, Mariel Triggs &lt;mariel(a)muralnet.org&gt;rg>, Matthew Rantanen &lt;mrantanen(a)sctdv.net&gt; Subject: Re: [DC3] Investment on community fiber from Ethical bank On 23/09/2019 16:13, Jane Coffin wrote: Hi Leandro – Thanks! I never responded to this note. A few observations and cc’ing Matt Rantanen and Mariel Triggs (both are working with/on tribal CN solutions). Spectrum is considered by some funders as an “asset” (even where the community may be a “steward” vs “direct owner” of the spectrum). Loans can be secured when a community has a spectrum allocation. On land as an asset: For many/most US tribal communities, tribal land is sovereign and can not be put up as collateral for loans. How about the right to pass (securing rights/permission to deploy) instead of the land as such? Having that permission over a land allows the deployment of fibre, and fibre means "optical spectrum" across distant locations and the ability to deploy and share access networks (as in ULA models). This is the case of the universal deployment model in guifi.net (a clear regulation for infra sharing). or these fibre coops in USA: https://muninetworks.org/reports/cooperatives-fiberize-rural-america-2019-U… Best, Leandro. Matt/Mariel – is there more re what is bankable from your experience? Best, Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 From: &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of Leandro Navarro &lt;leandro(a)pangea.org&gt; Organization: Pangea.org Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:44 PM To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; Subject: Re: [DC3] Investment on community fiber from Ethical bank Thanks, (and a request for more cases below if you read the details) To me it is a great proof of the level of maturity a CN can achieve. The offer document is a perfect example of how a community infrastructure can be attractive not only to the local beneficiaries, but also to anyone attracted by social impact and ethical investment. The lesson to me is just how encouraging it is to see that there are ways that work in the really hard case of successful ethical investment. What works for cooperative fibre there, works similarly in guifi.net with the XAFOGAR project with public/private investment, (page 99), can work too for IXPs, distributed IXPs like what guifi.net or REMIX (Scotland) does, or what other cooperative fiber networks can do. Do you know of any other "bankable" network infrastructure? (including access, distributed IXPs, open-access wholesale networks). This is in the context of these slides (slides 6, 7 show different models and layering of optical networks), prepared for IETF 105 but saved to the next IETF 106 due to lack of time in a very interesting session chaired by Jane and me in Toronto. If you give me examples I can add them to the collection for a WIP document. In fact, I am writing this from home with my guifi.net IP address, one of the cases in these slides, a 600 Mbps optical network connection using the Telefonica NEBA (VULA/Bitstream) wholesale service to reach the guifi.net exchange in Barcelona, operated by eXO.cat, the Barcelona volunteer association as part of guifi.net. All the best, Leandro. On 30/07/2019 11:33, Jane Coffin wrote: Leandro - Thank you very much. Critical to use this example and work with investors moving forward for CNs and small local access nets. Jane Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype: janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 On 7/30/19, 3:01 AM, &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf of Leandro Navarro" &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf of leandro(a)pangea.org&gt; wrote: From Triodos, a pioneer in ethical banking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triodos_Bank They offered a round of investment open to the public in the B4RN rural community fibre. You can see they reached 102% of the target investment (3 Million GBP) in this public call: https://www.triodoscrowdfunding.co.uk/invest/broadband-for-the-rural-north In the offer document you can see the description of the initiative for potential investors. They offer 4.5% interest rate for an investment in 7 year term. The call it seems is still open for another month but oriented to UK residents. A proof that CN proposals can be both feasible and sustainable in financial (bankable) and local impact. All the best, Leandro. _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3