Re: [DC3] Investment on community fiber from Ethical bank

Hi Leandro –

  I never responded to this note. A few observations and cc’ing Matt Rantanen and Mariel Triggs (both are working with/on tribal CN solutions). Spectrum is considered by some funders as an “asset” (even where the community may be a “steward” vs “direct owner” of the spectrum). Loans can be secured when a community has a spectrum allocation.   On land as an asset:  For many/most US tribal communities, tribal land is sovereign and can not be put up as collateral for loans.

  Matt/Mariel – is there more re what is bankable from your experience?    Best, Jane     Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org Skype:  janercoffin Mobile/WhatsApp:  +1.202.247.8429   *From: *&lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; on behalf of Leandro Navarro &lt;leandro(a)pangea.org&gt; *Organization: *Pangea.org *Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Date: *Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:44 PM *To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net&gt; *Subject: *Re: [DC3] Investment on community fiber from Ethical bank   Thanks, (and a request for more cases below if you read the details) To me it is a great proof of the level of maturity a CN can achieve. The offer document is a perfect example of how a community infrastructure can be attractive not only to the local beneficiaries, but also to anyone attracted by social impact and ethical investment. The lesson to me is just how encouraging it is to see that there are ways that work in the really hard case of successful ethical investment. What works for cooperative fibre there, works similarly in guifi.net with the XAFOGAR project with public/private investment, (page 99 <https://giswatch.org/sites/default/files/giswatch18_web_0.pdf>), can work too for IXPs, distributed IXPs like what guifi.net or REMIX <https://mf208.host.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/pdf/gaia16_remix.pdf> (Scotland) does, or what other cooperative fiber networks can do. Do you know of any other "bankable" network infrastructure? (including access, distributed IXPs, open-access wholesale networks). This is in the context of these slides <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-gaia-bcp-on-cooperative-fibre-networks-00> (slides 6, 7 show different models and layering of optical networks), prepared for IETF 105 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-gaia-05> but saved to the next IETF 106 due to lack of time in a very interesting session <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-gaia-05> chaired by Jane and me in Toronto. If you give me examples I can add them to the collection for a WIP document. In fact, I am writing this from home with my guifi.net IP address, one of the cases in these slides, a 600 Mbps optical network connection using the Telefonica NEBA (VULA/Bitstream) wholesale service to reach the guifi.net exchange in Barcelona, operated by eXO.cat, the Barcelona volunteer association as part of guifi.net. All the best, Leandro. On 30/07/2019 11:33, Jane Coffin wrote: Leandro -   Thank you very much. Critical to use this example and work with investors moving forward for CNs and small local access nets.   Jane   Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org>   Skype:  janercoffin   Mobile/WhatsApp:  +1.202.247.8429   On 7/30/19, 3:01 AM, &quot;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf of Leandro Navarro" <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.netonbehalfofLeandroNavarro> &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net on behalf of leandro(a)pangea.org&gt; <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.netonbehalfofleandro@pangea.org> wrote:       From Triodos, a pioneer in ethical banking     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triodos_Bank         They offered a round of investment open to the public in the B4RN rural     community fibre. You can see they reached 102% of the target investment     (3 Million GBP) in this public call:         https://www.triodoscrowdfunding.co.uk/invest/broadband-for-the-rural-north         In the offer document you can see the description of the initiative for     potential investors. They offer 4.5% interest rate for an investment in     7 year term. The call it seems is still open for another month but     oriented to UK residents. A proof that CN proposals can be both feasible     and sustainable in financial (bankable) and local impact.         All the best, Leandro.              _______________________________________________     DC3 mailing list     DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net>     https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3     _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:DC3@listas.altermundi.net> https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 _______________________________________________ DC3 mailing list DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3