Re: [DC3] RES: RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good Practices on Community Connectivity

Dear Luca & others I would like to add DEF's wireless for communities (W4C) principles in etherpad document. But I am unable to add points. Kindly allow me to access ether pad. Regards Ritu On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Nicolás Echániz &lt;nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net > So... let's start working on a pad towards a declaration text? > > I've copied texts that have already been mentioned here: > > https://pad.codigosur.org/GuadalajaraDeclaration > > > I also added AlterMundi's definitions. > > We differentiate Free Network from Community Network with the goal of > targeting a bigger audience. A small commercial ISP could easily adhere > to the Free Network principles, while they could not be considered > Community Networks. > > Maybe we can work a bit on ideas on this pad and then have an online > audio-conference at some point to share thoughts? > > > Cheers! > Nico > > > On 09/08/2016 03:00 PM, Steve Song wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Speaking personally, I favour a bold statement. Good practices are > > important but a declaration (I chose the word deliberately) is about > > something you believe in and are prepared to take a stand on. Here is a > > statement that Peter Bloom and I came up with last year: > > > > ----- > > Up to 3 billion people in the world do not have access to communication > > infrastructure, and people in rural areas are unlikely to realize the > > benefits of access in the near term. There is no business case for > > extending coverage based on the current operational models of > > traditional network operators, and alternative strategies typically face > > nearly insurmountable regulatory hurdles. The access playing field has > > opened somewhat as Internet giants have entered the mix with > > infrastructure projects. But this raises further concerns about > > consolidation and neutrality. In order to reverse these trends and > > reclaim the role of the commons in networks, it is necessary to create > > the technology, policy and regulatory frameworks that empower > > communities and local entrepreneurs to solve their own connectivity > > challenges. Bottom-up strategies that embrace neutrality and diversity > > in the last mile will allow everyone to to play a role in bringing down > > costs and ensuring access. > > ----- > > > > We called it Last Mile DNA (Diversity and Neutrality of Access). I > > recognise that there are many issues related to access and I am not > > claiming this is the most important one but it does happen to be the one > > that I am prepared to nail my colours to the mast for. > > > > Cheers... Steve > > > > > > > > > > On 8 September 2016 at 09:00, Instituto Bem Estar Brasil > > &lt;instituto(a)bemestarbrasil.org.br > > <mailto:instituto@bemestarbrasil.org.br>> > > > I go with Bob, we need to differ the access from infrastructure when > > we talk > > about declarations, because I heard some speeches about lifeline and > > subvention the access through de telcos etc. Even here in Brazil > > there are > > talks about "bolsa internet" and this not empower the people, just > > replicate > > the message that we need to consume information from the market. An > > idea in > > the middle is to create means to create community infrastructure > > where the > > government can use it and share the costs with the community > > provider and > > this idea is about to create laws to digital cities and digital > policies > > with democratic governance and sustainability through councils with > > liquid > > democracy methodology and a public fund for example. > > > > > > Atenciosamente, > > ________________________________ > > Marcelo Saldanha > > Movimento de Espectro Livre / Movimento de Redes Livres > > Cel/Telgram/Whatsapp: 22-98842.0482 > > Skype : marcelo_secante > > ________________________________ > > No campo das ideias, o limite é sonhar o impossível e no campo das > > realizações, basta perseverar. > > > > > > > > > > -----Mensagem original----- > > De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> > > [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] Em nome de dc3(a)bob.ma > > <mailto:dc3@bob.ma> > > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 18:51 > > Para: 'Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity' > > Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles > > and Good > > Practices on Community Connectivity > > > > It helps to have written songs for the Grateful Dead ... > > > > If we do declarations I strongly urge separating a declaration about > > connectivity as infrastructure from the more aspirational goals of > > "access". > > This separation has been the key to the success of the Internet by > > decoupling the technology from the applications. > > > > My focus is on the enabling/empowering infrastructure. The is a > shift to > > paying for the common infrastructure as a community. For profit is > > fine. The > > problem is that today's profit is made by having a third party taxing > > speech. By paying for infrastructure as a community we align the > > incentives. > > We need to be wary about too much emphasis on examples of volunteers > to > > avoid false dichotomies of public/private and us/them. Perhaps > something > > that JPB can endorse. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> > > [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] On Behalf Of Luca Belli > > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 17:38 > > To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> > > Subject: [DC3] RES: Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and > Good > > Practices on Community Connectivity > > > > I wholeheartedly agree with C.A. > > Best > > ________________________________________ > > De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net> > > [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>] em > > nome de Carlos Afonso [ca(a)cafonso.ca <mailto:ca@cafonso.ca>] > > Enviado: quarta-feira, 7 de setembro de 2016 1:03 > > Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > > Assunto: Re: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and > Good > > Practices on Community Connectivity > > > > Why, John Perry Barlow could do one, why couldn't we? :-) > > > > []s fraternos > > > > --c.a. > > > > On 06/09/2016 15:18, Jane Coffin wrote: > > > Hi All – > > > > > > I think we should definitely issue a document related to Community > > connectivity. > > > > > > One question for food for thought – if we call our output a > > > declaration we > > trigger lots of UN-related intricacies that some folks (governments > in > > particular) may find challenging. > > > > > > Could we find another word? I would hate to have people oppose > what > > > we > > are doing. > > > > > > Best, > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org > > <http://www.internetsociety.org> > > > Skype: janercoffin > > > Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 <tel:%2B1.202.247.8429> > > > > > > From: &lt;dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net > > <mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Luca Belli > > > &lt;luca.belli(a)fgv.br <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>> > > > Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > > > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> > > > Date: Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:16 PM > > > To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity > > > &lt;dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>> > > > Subject: [DC3] Elaboration of a Declaration of Principles and Good > > > Practices on Community Connectivity > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Over the past weeks, many list members have supported the > elaboration > > > of a > > declaration of principles and good practices on community > > connectivity to be > > presented at the IGF. > > > So far, we have had some very good ideas coming up. Particularly, > we > > > may start drafting a “Guadalajara Declaration” (proposed by Steve) > > > building on the excellent material circulated by Leandro (FONN > > > principles https://guifi.net/en/FONNC ) and Jane (RFC 7962 > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt > > <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7962.txt>) > > > > > > I would be very happy to facilitate the elaboration of an initial > > > draft to > > circulate for comments. The goal of the draft would be to (i) > > elaborate a > > common definition of connectivity as well as of community network > > (ii) and > > identifying shared principles and good practices that facilitate the > > deployment of community networks. > > > Is anyone interested in helping me facilitating the drafting > process > > (meaning elaborating a first draft that will be shared for comments > and > > consolidating the comments we will receive)? > > > > > > As mentioned previously, we could elaborate the draft declaration > over > > > the > > next two months and finalise it at our IGF pre-event, on 5 December, > and > > lastly submit it to the assessment of the IGF community during the > IGF. > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Best > > > Luca > > > > > > [GV Direito Rio] > _______________________________________________ > DC3 mailing list > DC3(a)listas.altermundi.net > https://listas.altermundi.net/mailman/listinfo/dc3 > -- With warm regards, ------------------------------------ Ritu Srivastava Senior Programme Manager Digital Empowerment Foundation (DEF) 44, III Floor, Kalu Sarai, New Delhi-110016, India *Contact Details:* O: 011-26532786 / 26532787 M: +91-9999369624 Email Id: ritu(a)defindia.net The “Internet Rights” is an initiative through which DEF is consistently making an effort to make Internet as a medium to reach the masses, to create even opportunities and linkages between haves and have-nots so that the grassroots knowledge reaches the economic prosperity and vice-versa through information communication technology and digital media. 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