15 Oct
2018
15 Oct
'18
12:09 a.m.
Hi all,
According to what has been shared so far, 10 out of 14 CNSIG member organizations will be
represented in the IGF. This is a great opportunity to have a CNSIG meeting.
Should we define an agenda of matters we sould like to discuss in person?
And also, it would be great if everyone could share in what panels/workshops you will be
presenting.
I'll start; according to the preliminary schedule[1] I'll be part of:
- "DC on Community Connectivity" session (11:20 - 12:20 Salle VII, Nov. 12)
- "WS 279: Investment Strategies to Scale Community Networks" (9:00 - 10:30,
Salle IV, Nov.14)
Cheers,
Nico
[1] https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/678…
16 Oct
16 Oct
5:13 p.m.
Hi Nico,
A meeting sounds great! Let me know if I can help in any way.
About the sessions, I'll be at:
- "DC on Innovative Approaches to Connecting the Unconnected" (9.00-10.00
Salle VIII November 13th)
Karla Velasco Ramos
www.redesac.org.mx
+52 1 55 36 66 69 24
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 7:10 PM Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>
wrote:
Hi all,
According to what has been shared so far, 10 out of 14 CNSIG member
organizations will be represented in the IGF. This is a great opportunity
to have a CNSIG meeting.
Should we define an agenda of matters we sould like to discuss in person?
And also, it would be great if everyone could share in what
panels/workshops you will be presenting.
I'll start; according to the preliminary schedule[1] I'll be part of:
- "DC on Community Connectivity" session (11:20 - 12:20 Salle VII, Nov. 12)
- "WS 279: Investment Strategies to Scale Community Networks" (9:00 -
10:30, Salle IV, Nov.14)
Cheers,
Nico
[1]
https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/678…
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17 Oct
17 Oct
6:05 p.m.
Hi there,
Thanks for starting this thread, Nico.
There's a strong chance that I will be at the IGF next month (for my other digital
policy job) and can be there to represent Sudo Mesh/People's Open Network from
Oakland, U.S. So I guess that brings us up to 11 of 14 CNSIG members who will be there? :
]
Best,
Mai
October 16, 2018 10:13 AM, "Karla Velasco" wrote:
Hi Nico,
A meeting sounds great! Let me know if I can help in any way.
About the sessions, I'll be at:
- "DC on Innovative Approaches to Connecting the Unconnected" (9.00-10.00 Salle
VIII November 13th)
Karla Velasco Ramos www.redesac.org.mx (http://www.redesac.org.mx) +52 1 55 36 66 69 24
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 7:10 PM Nicolás Echániz wrote: Hi all,
According to what has been shared so far, 10 out of 14 CNSIG member organizations will be
represented in the IGF. This is a great opportunity to have a CNSIG meeting.
Should we define an agenda of matters we sould like to discuss in person?
And also, it would be great if everyone could share in what panels/workshops you will be
presenting.
I'll start; according to the preliminary schedule[1] I'll be part of:
- "DC on Community Connectivity" session (11:20 - 12:20 Salle VII, Nov. 12)
- "WS 279: Investment Strategies to Scale Community Networks" (9:00 - 10:30,
Salle IV, Nov.14)
Cheers,
Nico
[1] https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/678…
(https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/678…)
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20 Oct
20 Oct
10:27 p.m.
On 10/17/2018 03:05 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net wrote:
Hi there,
Thanks for starting this thread, Nico.
There's a strong chance that I will be at the IGF next month (for my
other digital policy job) and can be there to represent Sudo
Mesh/People's Open Network from Oakland, U.S. So I guess that brings us
up to 11 of 14 CNSIG members who will be there? : ]
Awesome.
More reason to have a meeting there :)
Regarding a possible agenda for our meeting.
There are a couple of things I would like to discuss
1) what is the role of our Trusted Advisors, how do we invite them to
get more involved in the CNSIG?
2) LAC Summit document[1]. Does the global CNSIG wish to discuss and/or
support the document?
3) Regional CNSIG groups. We have created the LAC CNSIG group, Sol is
working on the African group. Does it make sense to create similar
initiatives for other regions? How do regional groups integrate with the
global CNSIG.
4) Global Community Networks summit. Do we want to be in charge of such
an event? Who can help make it happen? ISOC will very probably provide
funding during 2019.
5) Why have we created the CNSIG and what do we want to do with it?
These are not in order of importance, but they are matters I'd like to
exchange views about.
Those of you who are attending the IGF, are you planning to stay until
the 15th ? (the day after) or are you leaving on the 14th?
Should we plan for a meeting during an afternoon after IGF activities?
Or is it better to do it on the 15th?
Cheers,
Nico
[1] http://cnsig.info/assets/final-document_CLRC-2018.pdf
http://cnsig.info/assets/documento-final_CLRC-2018.pdf
21 Oct
21 Oct
6:33 a.m.
I would also like to add a question about the update of the work that we
have done until now. It would be useful to know where we stand, when
planning for where we want to go.
btw: I created the following pad to put down information about our arrival
/ departure, so that we don't clutter this thread. If you think it is a
good idea, please go ahead and use it!!
https://pad.codigosur.org/ParisIGFAttendance
V.
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 1:27 AM Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>
wrote:
On 10/17/2018 03:05 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net wrote:
Hi there,
Thanks for starting this thread, Nico.
There's a strong chance that I will be at the IGF next month (for my
other digital policy job) and can be there to represent Sudo
Mesh/People's Open Network from Oakland, U.S. So I guess that brings us
up to 11 of 14 CNSIG members who will be there? : ]
Awesome.
More reason to have a meeting there :)
Regarding a possible agenda for our meeting.
There are a couple of things I would like to discuss
1) what is the role of our Trusted Advisors, how do we invite them to
get more involved in the CNSIG?
2) LAC Summit document[1]. Does the global CNSIG wish to discuss and/or
support the document?
3) Regional CNSIG groups. We have created the LAC CNSIG group, Sol is
working on the African group. Does it make sense to create similar
initiatives for other regions? How do regional groups integrate with the
global CNSIG.
4) Global Community Networks summit. Do we want to be in charge of such
an event? Who can help make it happen? ISOC will very probably provide
funding during 2019.
5) Why have we created the CNSIG and what do we want to do with it?
These are not in order of importance, but they are matters I'd like to
exchange views about.
Those of you who are attending the IGF, are you planning to stay until
the 15th ? (the day after) or are you leaving on the 14th?
Should we plan for a meeting during an afternoon after IGF activities?
Or is it better to do it on the 15th?
Cheers,
Nico
[1] http://cnsig.info/assets/final-document_CLRC-2018.pdf
http://cnsig.info/assets/documento-final_CLRC-2018.pdf
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Hi all,
I added my info at the pad, and I propose to include all CNSIG-related
events to have an idea of available slots for a meeting.
I think it would be nice to organize a CNSIG-only meeting anyway in the
"middle" of the event, e.g., on the 13th after the GISWatch book launch
or later.
(For the 15th there are discussions for a wider meeting and some people
might not be there or leaving that day, and in any case having a 2nd
CNSIG meeting would be also nice :-)
Looking forward!
On 21.10.18 08:33, Vasilis Chryssos wrote:
I would also like to add a question about the update
of the work that
we have done until now. It would be useful to know where we stand,
when planning for where we want to go.
btw: I created the following pad to put down information about our
arrival / departure, so that we don't clutter this thread. If you
think it is a good idea, please go ahead and use it!!
https://pad.codigosur.org/ParisIGFAttendance
V.
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 1:27 AM Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>> wrote:
On 10/17/2018 03:05 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net
<mailto:mai@peoplesopen.net> wrote:
Hi there,
Thanks for starting this thread, Nico.
There's a strong chance that I will be at the IGF next month (for my
other digital policy job) and can be there to represent Sudo
Mesh/People's Open Network from Oakland, U.S. So I guess that
brings us
up to 11 of 14 CNSIG members who will be there? :
]
Awesome.
More reason to have a meeting there :)
Regarding a possible agenda for our meeting.
There are a couple of things I would like to discuss
1) what is the role of our Trusted Advisors, how do we invite them to
get more involved in the CNSIG?
2) LAC Summit document[1]. Does the global CNSIG wish to discuss
and/or
support the document?
3) Regional CNSIG groups. We have created the LAC CNSIG group, Sol is
working on the African group. Does it make sense to create similar
initiatives for other regions? How do regional groups integrate
with the
global CNSIG.
4) Global Community Networks summit. Do we want to be in charge of
such
an event? Who can help make it happen? ISOC will very probably provide
funding during 2019.
5) Why have we created the CNSIG and what do we want to do with it?
These are not in order of importance, but they are matters I'd like to
exchange views about.
Those of you who are attending the IGF, are you planning to stay until
the 15th ? (the day after) or are you leaving on the 14th?
Should we plan for a meeting during an afternoon after IGF activities?
Or is it better to do it on the 15th?
Cheers,
Nico
[1] http://cnsig.info/assets/final-document_CLRC-2018.pdf
http://cnsig.info/assets/documento-final_CLRC-2018.pdf
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Great topics to tackle during our meeting, Nico. If we need to, we can prioritize a few of
them for deeper discussions and talk about how we want to progress on the others
asynchronously, over Loomio for example.
I agree with panayotis that we should meet during the IGF, if not in addition to a meeting
afterwards. I'd like to be able to attend a meeting after the IGF but I will be
unavailable during the days on 15 and 16 Nov as I have other all-day commitments. If
it's during the IGF then maybe we could have a meeting room for a morning or
afternoon at the venue and save on that cost. :)
October 21, 2018 3:46 AM, "panayotis antoniadis" <panayotis(a)nethood.org>
wrote:
Hi all,
I added my info at the pad, and I propose to include all CNSIG-related
events to have an idea of available slots for a meeting.
I think it would be nice to organize a CNSIG-only meeting anyway in the
"middle" of the event, e.g., on the 13th after the GISWatch book launch
or later.
(For the 15th there are discussions for a wider meeting and some people
might not be there or leaving that day, and in any case having a 2nd
CNSIG meeting would be also nice :-)
Looking forward!
On 21.10.18 08:33, Vasilis Chryssos wrote:
I would also like to add a question about the
update of the work that
we have done until now. It would be useful to know where we stand,
when planning for where we want to go.
btw: I created the following pad to put down information about our
arrival / departure, so that we don't clutter this thread. If you
think it is a good idea, please go ahead and use it!!
https://pad.codigosur.org/ParisIGFAttendance
V.
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 1:27 AM Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>> wrote:
On 10/17/2018 03:05 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net
<mailto:mai@peoplesopen.net> wrote:
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Thanks for starting this thread, Nico.
There's a strong chance that I will be at the IGF next month (for my
other digital policy job) and can be there to represent Sudo
Mesh/People's Open Network from Oakland, U.S. So I guess that
brings us
up to 11 of 14 CNSIG members who will be there? :
]
Awesome.
More reason to have a meeting there :)
Regarding a possible agenda for our meeting.
There are a couple of things I would like to discuss
1) what is the role of our Trusted Advisors, how do we invite them to
get more involved in the CNSIG?
2) LAC Summit document[1]. Does the global CNSIG wish to discuss
and/or
support the document?
3) Regional CNSIG groups. We have created the LAC CNSIG group, Sol is
working on the African group. Does it make sense to create similar
initiatives for other regions? How do regional groups integrate
with the
global CNSIG.
4) Global Community Networks summit. Do we want to be in charge of
such
an event? Who can help make it happen? ISOC will very probably provide
funding during 2019.
5) Why have we created the CNSIG and what do we want to do with it?
These are not in order of importance, but they are matters I'd like to
exchange views about.
Those of you who are attending the IGF, are you planning to stay until
the 15th ? (the day after) or are you leaving on the 14th?
Should we plan for a meeting during an afternoon after IGF activities?
Or is it better to do it on the 15th?
Cheers,
Nico
[1] http://cnsig.info/assets/final-document_CLRC-2018.pdf
http://cnsig.info/assets/documento-final_CLRC-2018.pdf
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2:29 a.m.
Hi there,
How did this meeting go? I'd love to see any notes from it or maybe we can organize
an online video chat for anyone to hear about how the discussions went. Would anyone else
be interested in that?
Mai
October 21, 2018 4:54 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net wrote:
Great topics to tackle during our meeting, Nico. If we
need to, we can prioritize a few of them for
deeper discussions and talk about how we want to progress on the others asynchronously,
over Loomio
for example.
I agree with panayotis that we should meet during the IGF, if not in addition to a
meeting
afterwards. I'd like to be able to attend a meeting after the IGF but I will be
unavailable during
the days on 15 and 16 Nov as I have other all-day commitments. If it's during the
IGF then maybe we
could have a meeting room for a morning or afternoon at the venue and save on that cost.
:)
October 21, 2018 3:46 AM, "panayotis antoniadis" <panayotis(a)nethood.org>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I added my info at the pad, and I propose to include all CNSIG-related
> events to have an idea of available slots for a meeting.
>
> I think it would be nice to organize a CNSIG-only meeting anyway in the
> "middle" of the event, e.g., on the 13th after the GISWatch book launch
> or later.
>
> (For the 15th there are discussions for a wider meeting and some people
> might not be there or leaving that day, and in any case having a 2nd
> CNSIG meeting would be also nice :-)
>
> Looking forward!
>
> On 21.10.18 08:33, Vasilis Chryssos wrote:
>
>> I would also like to add a question about the update of the work that
>> we have done until now. It would be useful to know where we stand,
>> when planning for where we want to go.
>>
>> btw: I created the following pad to put down information about our
>> arrival / departure, so that we don't clutter this thread. If you
>> think it is a good idea, please go ahead and use it!!
>>
>> https://pad.codigosur.org/ParisIGFAttendance
>>
>> V.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 1:27 AM Nicolás Echániz
>> <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>
wrote:
>>
>> On 10/17/2018 03:05 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net
>> <mailto:mai@peoplesopen.net> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Thanks for starting this thread, Nico.
>
> There's a strong chance that I will be at the IGF next month (for my
> other digital policy job) and can be there to represent Sudo
> Mesh/People's Open Network from Oakland, U.S. So I guess that
>> brings us
>
> up to 11 of 14 CNSIG members who will be there? : ]
>> Awesome.
>> More reason to have a meeting there :)
>>
>> Regarding a possible agenda for our meeting.
>>
>> There are a couple of things I would like to discuss
>>
>> 1) what is the role of our Trusted Advisors, how do we invite them to
>> get more involved in the CNSIG?
>>
>> 2) LAC Summit document[1]. Does the global CNSIG wish to discuss
>> and/or
>> support the document?
>>
>> 3) Regional CNSIG groups. We have created the LAC CNSIG group, Sol is
>> working on the African group. Does it make sense to create similar
>> initiatives for other regions? How do regional groups integrate
>> with the
>> global CNSIG.
>>
>> 4) Global Community Networks summit. Do we want to be in charge of
>> such
>> an event? Who can help make it happen? ISOC will very probably provide
>> funding during 2019.
>>
>> 5) Why have we created the CNSIG and what do we want to do with it?
>>
>> These are not in order of importance, but they are matters I'd like to
>> exchange views about.
>>
>> Those of you who are attending the IGF, are you planning to stay until
>> the 15th ? (the day after) or are you leaving on the 14th?
>>
>> Should we plan for a meeting during an afternoon after IGF activities?
>> Or is it better to do it on the 15th?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nico
>>
>> [1] http://cnsig.info/assets/final-document_CLRC-2018.pdf
>> http://cnsig.info/assets/documento-final_CLRC-2018.pdf
>>
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9:47 p.m.
New subject: [CNSIG-Council] Paris Council meeting notes Was: Re: CNSIG at the IGF
Hi Mai and everyone,
We took notes collectively of the meeting in Paris.
Here's somewhat tidier version of those notes:
(link to edit source at the bottom)
http://gg.gg/CNSIG_CouncilMeeting20181115_Paris
It would be great if we could decide on follow up actions during our next virtual
meeting.
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
On 11/30/2018 11:29 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net wrote:
Hi there,
How did this meeting go? I'd love to see any notes from it or maybe
we can organize an online video chat for anyone to hear about how the
discussions went. Would anyone else be interested in that?
Mai
October 21, 2018 4:54 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net wrote:
Great topics to tackle during our meeting, Nico.
If we need to, we
can prioritize a few of them for deeper discussions and talk about
how we want to progress on the others asynchronously, over Loomio
for example.
I agree with panayotis that we should meet during the IGF, if not
in addition to a meeting afterwards. I'd like to be able to attend
a meeting after the IGF but I will be unavailable during the days
on 15 and 16 Nov as I have other all-day commitments. If it's
during the IGF then maybe we could have a meeting room for a
morning or afternoon at the venue and save on that cost. :)
October 21, 2018 3:46 AM, "panayotis antoniadis"
<panayotis(a)nethood.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I added my info at the pad, and I propose to include all
> CNSIG-related events to have an idea of available slots for a
> meeting.
>
> I think it would be nice to organize a CNSIG-only meeting anyway
> in the "middle" of the event, e.g., on the 13th after the
> GISWatch book launch or later.
>
> (For the 15th there are discussions for a wider meeting and some
> people might not be there or leaving that day, and in any case
> having a 2nd CNSIG meeting would be also nice :-)
>
> Looking forward!
>
> On 21.10.18 08:33, Vasilis Chryssos wrote:
>
>> I would also like to add a question about the update of the
>> work that we have done until now. It would be useful to know
>> where we stand, when planning for where we want to go.
>>
>> btw: I created the following pad to put down information about
>> our arrival / departure, so that we don't clutter this thread.
>> If you think it is a good idea, please go ahead and use it!!
>>
>> https://pad.codigosur.org/ParisIGFAttendance
>>
>> V.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 1:27 AM Nicolás Echániz
>> <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net
>> <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/17/2018 03:05 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net
>> <mailto:mai@peoplesopen.net> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Thanks for starting this thread, Nico.
>
> There's a strong chance that I will be at the IGF next month (for
> my other digital policy job) and can be there to represent Sudo
> Mesh/People's Open Network from Oakland, U.S. So I guess that
>> brings us
>
> up to 11 of 14 CNSIG members who will be there? : ]
>> Awesome. More reason to have a meeting there :)
>>
>> Regarding a possible agenda for our meeting.
>>
>> There are a couple of things I would like to discuss
>>
>> 1) what is the role of our Trusted Advisors, how do we invite
>> them to get more involved in the CNSIG?
>>
>> 2) LAC Summit document[1]. Does the global CNSIG wish to
>> discuss and/or support the document?
>>
>> 3) Regional CNSIG groups. We have created the LAC CNSIG group,
>> Sol is working on the African group. Does it make sense to
>> create similar initiatives for other regions? How do regional
>> groups integrate with the global CNSIG.
>>
>> 4) Global Community Networks summit. Do we want to be in charge
>> of such an event? Who can help make it happen? ISOC will very
>> probably provide funding during 2019.
>>
>> 5) Why have we created the CNSIG and what do we want to do with
>> it?
>>
>> These are not in order of importance, but they are matters I'd
>> like to exchange views about.
>>
>> Those of you who are attending the IGF, are you planning to
>> stay until the 15th ? (the day after) or are you leaving on the
>> 14th?
>>
>> Should we plan for a meeting during an afternoon after IGF
>> activities? Or is it better to do it on the 15th?
>>
>> Cheers, Nico
>>
>> [1] http://cnsig.info/assets/final-document_CLRC-2018.pdf
>> http://cnsig.info/assets/documento-final_CLRC-2018.pdf
>>
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9:48 p.m.
Hi all,
I have many things that I would like to discuss, and little time as all
of you :-)
So, I thought to start from this question: What happened at the IGF?
From my side, one was the main issue raised in all public and private
discussions: what is a community network? what is included in the
concept and what is not?
Given that one of our most important forthcoming tasks is the Global
Community Networks Summit, I think we need to further discuss this issue
both through e-mail and in the next confcall (I am preparing the doodle
as promised).
Going back to the IGF, I gave a talk at WS279 "Scaling community
networks: exploring blockchain and efficient investment strategies",
which I have now transformed to a blog entry here:
https://netcommons.eu/?q=content/blockchain-and-community-networks-friends-…
What is interesting is that after this intervention I received threats
and personal attacks by the CEO of Ammbr research labs. E.g.,
https://twitter.com/asathiaseelan/status/1063524022628098049
https://twitter.com/asathiaseelan/status/1064157032033464320
Recently, the same person proudly announced collaboration of Ammbr with
the US army:
https://twitter.com/asathiaseelan/status/1084356605200740352
Yet this company is still openly supported by guifi.net, ninux.org, and
Tupanada, as you can see at http://ammbr.com, which makes me feel rather
uncomfortable and I am really thinking if I actually belong to this
community.
Anyway, if the majority here agrees that projects like Ammbr fall
outside even the most loose borders of what could be considered a
Community Network, I propose to produce a definition or a set of
principles that makes this incompatibility as explicit and obvious as
possible.
For example, the questions of "profit" is rather complicated and it has
been already pointed out that it is different to follow a "cost-based"
policy toward the sustainability of a CN compared to a "growth-based" or
"speculation-based" one toward "fortune-making".
But I think the question of "money" should be brought not only in terms
of profit but also in terms of locality.
For example, imho it is perfectly fine that guifi.net provides a common
infrastructure for supporting local businesses but not at all that it
supports a company who wishes to extract value abroad as argued in my
blog entry.
(Btw, I really hope that this decision by guifi.net et al. is retracted
soon otherwise I will have to quit all networks and organizations
including Ammbr supporters since I don't want to have any relationship
with Ammbr, not even a "two hop away" one.)
Of course, there is always some extraction of value since the equipment
is manufactured abroad anyway. And the liberouter is not an exception.
But there is a difference between "just" equipment (even "closed" one
like ubiquiti's routers) and equipment that includes a "speculation
engine" like the Ammbr router (not to mention the support of military
projects).
Anyway. Just some first thoughts to advance the discussion with some
concrete examples of what is "in" and what is "out".
In any case, I am afraid that the game for the "Community Networks"
brand is lost already and the only hope (for me) is if we come up with
(and try to defend better) a "subcategory" of CNs, perhaps "libre
networks" or something like this :-)
Best,
Panos.
On 01.12.18 03:29, mai(a)peoplesopen.net wrote:
Hi there,
How did this meeting go? I'd love to see any notes from it or maybe we can organize
an online video chat for anyone to hear about how the discussions went. Would anyone else
be interested in that?
Mai
October 21, 2018 4:54 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net wrote:
Great topics to tackle during our meeting, Nico.
If we need to, we can prioritize a few of them for
deeper discussions and talk about how we want to progress on the others asynchronously,
over Loomio
for example.
I agree with panayotis that we should meet during the IGF, if not in addition to a
meeting
afterwards. I'd like to be able to attend a meeting after the IGF but I will be
unavailable during
the days on 15 and 16 Nov as I have other all-day commitments. If it's during the
IGF then maybe we
could have a meeting room for a morning or afternoon at the venue and save on that cost.
:)
October 21, 2018 3:46 AM, "panayotis antoniadis" <panayotis(a)nethood.org>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I added my info at the pad, and I propose to include all CNSIG-related
> events to have an idea of available slots for a meeting.
>
> I think it would be nice to organize a CNSIG-only meeting anyway in the
> "middle" of the event, e.g., on the 13th after the GISWatch book launch
> or later.
>
> (For the 15th there are discussions for a wider meeting and some people
> might not be there or leaving that day, and in any case having a 2nd
> CNSIG meeting would be also nice :-)
>
> Looking forward!
>
> On 21.10.18 08:33, Vasilis Chryssos wrote:
>
>> I would also like to add a question about the update of the work that
>> we have done until now. It would be useful to know where we stand,
>> when planning for where we want to go.
>>
>> btw: I created the following pad to put down information about our
>> arrival / departure, so that we don't clutter this thread. If you
>> think it is a good idea, please go ahead and use it!!
>>
>> https://pad.codigosur.org/ParisIGFAttendance
>>
>> V.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 1:27 AM Nicolás Echániz
>> <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>
wrote:
>>
>> On 10/17/2018 03:05 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net
>> <mailto:mai@peoplesopen.net> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Thanks for starting this thread, Nico.
>
> There's a strong chance that I will be at the IGF next month (for my
> other digital policy job) and can be there to represent Sudo
> Mesh/People's Open Network from Oakland, U.S. So I guess that
>> brings us
> up to 11 of 14 CNSIG members who will be there? : ]
>> Awesome.
>> More reason to have a meeting there :)
>>
>> Regarding a possible agenda for our meeting.
>>
>> There are a couple of things I would like to discuss
>>
>> 1) what is the role of our Trusted Advisors, how do we invite them to
>> get more involved in the CNSIG?
>>
>> 2) LAC Summit document[1]. Does the global CNSIG wish to discuss
>> and/or
>> support the document?
>>
>> 3) Regional CNSIG groups. We have created the LAC CNSIG group, Sol is
>> working on the African group. Does it make sense to create similar
>> initiatives for other regions? How do regional groups integrate
>> with the
>> global CNSIG.
>>
>> 4) Global Community Networks summit. Do we want to be in charge of
>> such
>> an event? Who can help make it happen? ISOC will very probably provide
>> funding during 2019.
>>
>> 5) Why have we created the CNSIG and what do we want to do with it?
>>
>> These are not in order of importance, but they are matters I'd like to
>> exchange views about.
>>
>> Those of you who are attending the IGF, are you planning to stay until
>> the 15th ? (the day after) or are you leaving on the 14th?
>>
>> Should we plan for a meeting during an afternoon after IGF activities?
>> Or is it better to do it on the 15th?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nico
>>
>> [1] http://cnsig.info/assets/final-document_CLRC-2018.pdf
>> http://cnsig.info/assets/documento-final_CLRC-2018.pdf
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(I only sent this to Panos by mistake ... re-sending to the list)
On 10/21/2018 07:46 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
I added my info at the pad, and I propose to include
all CNSIG-related
events to have an idea of available slots for a meeting.
I think it would be nice to organize a CNSIG-only meeting anyway in the
"middle" of the event, e.g., on the 13th after the GISWatch book launch
or later.
This sounds good.
But I would also consider meeting on the 15th. Meetings during the event
tend to be chaotic in my experience.
(For the 15th there are discussions for a wider
meeting and some people
might not be there or leaving that day, and in any case having a 2nd
CNSIG meeting would be also nice :-)
I have posted in the discussion you mention that I propose we have a
closed CNSIG Council meeting the 15th in the morning and then the wider
open meeting in the afternoon.
I have updated the pad (Vasilis pad :) ) with the proposed agenda.
https://pad.codigosur.org/ParisIGFAttendance
Please those who have not updated what are you dates in Paris, do so.
Cheers!
Nico
24 Oct
24 Oct
1:45 p.m.
Hi everyone,
I will be in Paris until the evening of the 15th, so I can participate in
the meeting after the IGF. A meeting during the IGF is not a bad idea for
me.
In the IGF I will participate in the following sessions:
SEED Alliance Awards Ceremony 13:30 to 15:00, Nov13
WS #279 Scaling community networks: exploring blockchain and efficient
investment
strategies 09:00 to 10:30, Nov 14
I will also put this information in the pad created by Vasislis.
Cheers!
Damián
Atalaya Sur
2018-10-16 14:13 GMT-03:00 Karla Velasco <karlavelascor(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi Nico,
A meeting sounds great! Let me know if I can help in any way.
About the sessions, I'll be at:
- "DC on Innovative Approaches to Connecting the Unconnected" (9.00-10.00
Salle VIII November 13th)
Karla Velasco Ramos
www.redesac.org.mx
+52 1 55 36 66 69 24
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 7:10 PM Nicolás Echániz <
nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net> wrote:
Hi all,
According to what has been shared so far, 10 out of 14 CNSIG member
organizations will be represented in the IGF. This is a great opportunity
to have a CNSIG meeting.
Should we define an agenda of matters we sould like to discuss in person?
And also, it would be great if everyone could share in what
panels/workshops you will be presenting.
I'll start; according to the preliminary schedule[1] I'll be part of:
- "DC on Community Connectivity" session (11:20 - 12:20 Salle VII, Nov.
12)
- "WS 279: Investment Strategies to Scale Community Networks" (9:00 -
10:30, Salle IV, Nov.14)
Cheers,
Nico
[1] https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=
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10:31 a.m.
Hi all,
Let me know if its possible to join the meeting remotely. I would like to
discuss what I have found with African base CNs, the communication channels
that could be most effective and the relation to the CNSIG. I am also keen
to discuss 1, 4 and 5. If it is tricky to join remotely I will try to write
a summary of my input, but would ideally like to discuss the issues.
Whether I can join remotely or not, my colleague Shaun Pather will attend
the meeting on behalf of Zenzeleni - I CC his work email which I think is
better than the gmail I previously provided. Nico, could you please add
this new email for him in the list (I think he is not receiving all the
emails currently).
Thanks, Sol
El mié., 24 oct. 2018 a las 15:46, Damian Cejas (<
damiancejas(a)proyectocomunidad.com>) escribió:
Hi everyone,
I will be in Paris until the evening of the 15th, so I can participate in
the meeting after the IGF. A meeting during the IGF is not a bad idea for
me.
In the IGF I will participate in the following sessions:
--
Sol Luca de Tena
e: sol(a)zenzeleni.net
c: (+27/0) 839 47 4946
w: zenzeleni.net
Skype: sol.lucadetena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxTPSWMX26M
*Zenzeleni Networks NPC*
- Winner of Best Innovation with Social Impact Award, Innovation Bridge 2017
- Finalist of Mozilla Equal Rating Innovation Challenge, 2017
SEED Alliance Awards Ceremony 13:30 to 15:00,
Nov13
WS #279 Scaling community networks: exploring blockchain and efficient
investment
strategies 09:00 to 10:30, Nov 14
I will also put this information in the pad created by Vasislis.
Cheers!
Damián
Atalaya Sur
2018-10-16 14:13 GMT-03:00 Karla Velasco <karlavelascor(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi Nico,
A meeting sounds great! Let me know if I can help in any way.
About the sessions, I'll be at:
- "DC on Innovative Approaches to Connecting the Unconnected" (9.00-10.00
Salle VIII November 13th)
Karla Velasco Ramos
www.redesac.org.mx
+52 1 55 36 66 69 24
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Hi all,
According to what has been shared so far, 10 out of 14 CNSIG member
organizations will be represented in the IGF. This is a great opportunity
to have a CNSIG meeting.
Should we define an agenda of matters we sould like to discuss in person?
And also, it would be great if everyone could share in what
panels/workshops you will be presenting.
I'll start; according to the preliminary schedule[1] I'll be part of:
- "DC on Community Connectivity" session (11:20 - 12:20 Salle VII, Nov.
12)
- "WS 279: Investment Strategies to Scale Community Networks" (9:00 -
10:30, Salle IV, Nov.14)
Cheers,
Nico
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On 10/25/2018 07:31 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
Hi all,
Let me know if its possible to join the meeting remotely. I would like
to discuss what I have found with African base CNs, the communication
channels that could be most effective and the relation to the CNSIG. I
am also keen to discuss 1, 4 and 5. If it is tricky to join remotely I
will try to write a summary of my input, but would ideally like to
discuss the issues.
Hi Sol, it will be difficult to guarantee remote participation. If you
could share your views on these issues through the list I think that
will be great. Even if we get to have remote participation, your input
will be good to initiate the conversation.
Whether I can join remotely or not, my colleague Shaun
Pather will
attend the meeting on behalf of Zenzeleni - I CC his work email which I
think is better than the gmail I previously provided. Nico, could you
please add this new email for him in the list (I think he is not
receiving all the emails currently).
I added him with the e-mail address your sent.
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
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