21 Jun
2018
21 Jun
'18
6:18 p.m.
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at
Rightscon<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_…54>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3
Report (that should be the "CN Manual" mentioned in my previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the
challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[FGV Direito Rio]
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>
luca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 5763
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22 Jun
22 Jun
7:49 a.m.
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to
the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at Rightscon, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the
following parts:
presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that
should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email)
discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges
they are facing
discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGVluca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 5763@1lucabelli
1:11 p.m.
I really like Jane's suggestion; I think it's a good idea.
I'm curious to see if the experience of CN operators and the community in
general reflects the model she outlined.
Best,
-Michael
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 10:49 AM Jane Coffin <coffin(a)isoc.org> wrote:
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of
challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet
charging for services or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership
base, and management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging
annual fees or for services at the IXP. Customer service switch from
purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full time after that (or in some
cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more accustomed to what
they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and
business focus into the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit
business, and more focus on customer service from the sense that the
platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the community. Member
base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not
commercial, but a business nonetheless – more professionalized as its
member-base grows and diversifies and maintenance and expectations are
different when both the technical facilities and management need to match
expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same
is likely the case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar
manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team
managing has more experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to
customer service (or keeping the network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that
may be more network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure
more gear can be purchased and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying
the other phases in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the
importance to the community – social value and the value of the CN to
local, regional, other authorities and what the corollary impact on how one
is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
*From: *<dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli <
luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
*Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <
dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Date: *Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
*To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <
dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Cc: *"donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
*Subject: *[DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3
session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by
default but we should send a draft session proposal by *29 June*.
As discussed at Rightscon
<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391/1254>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following
parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the
2018 DC3 Report (that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous
email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to
understand the challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those
who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting
restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender
balanced and geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or
maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN
Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN
manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your
name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently
developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing
Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g.
CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi
at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a
potential partner to be included in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[image: FGV Direito Rio]
*Luca Belli, PhD*
*Senior Researcher *
*Head of Internet Governance @ FGV <http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>*
luca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 *5763*
*@1lucabelli <https://twitter.com/1lucabelli>*
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7:06 p.m.
New subject: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the time to analyse
all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min is still quite
limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines for CN
evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this lines, if anyone is willing
to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work promoted by ISOC?)
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered by the CN
ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre)
in my contribution for last year’s DC3
report<http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/19924>. It would be great
if anyone (amogts the CN cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto Mesh people who
apparently are developing their CN in parallel with P2P applications) could draft a short
contribution on how to facilitate app generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome
de Jane Coffin
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net
Assunto: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to
the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org>
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From:
<dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>>
on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
Cc: "donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>"
<donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>>
Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at
Rightscon<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_…54>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report
(that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the
challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part
3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[FGV Direito Rio]
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>
luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>
+55 21 3799 5763
@1lucabelli<https://twitter.com/1lucabelli>
[http://www.fgv.br/mailing/Direito_Rio/assinatura_email/Ondas.png]
8:17 p.m.
Hi
Indigenous Communities and Connectivity
A few years ago I came across a Dr. *Martin Murillo at the IEEE HTC *
He and others ie. Alan Mickelson of University of Colorado and others
worked on a point to point connectivity solutions
He was with IDRC at the time
Look at this
http://sites.ieee.org/spotlight/ieee-humanitarian-technology-challenge-savi…
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Luca Belli <luca.belli(a)fgv.br> wrote:
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3
session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by
default but we should send a draft session proposal by *29 June*.
As discussed at Rightscon
<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391/1254>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following
parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in
the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my
previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to
understand the challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those
who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting
restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender
balanced and geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or
maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN
Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN
manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your
name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently
developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing
Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g.
CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi
at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a
potential partner to be included in the discussion https://qz.com/1300522/
googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-life-for-
8-million-indians/
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[image: FGV Direito Rio]
*Luca Belli, PhD*
*Senior Researcher *
*Head of **Internet Governance @ FGV <http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>*
luca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 *5763*
*@1lucabelli <https://twitter.com/1lucabelli>*
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8:17 p.m.
Sorry
Some more
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi
Indigenous Communities and Connectivity
A few years ago I came across a Dr. *Martin Murillo at the IEEE HTC *
He and others ie. Alan Mickelson of University of Colorado and others
worked on a point to point connectivity solutions
He was with IDRC at the time
Look at this
http://sites.ieee.org/spotlight/ieee-humanitarian-
technology-challenge-saving-lives-in-perus-alto-amazonas/
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Luca Belli <luca.belli(a)fgv.br> wrote:
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3
session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by
default but we should send a draft session proposal by *29 June*.
As discussed at Rightscon
<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391/1254>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following
parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in
the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my
previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development
to understand the challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those
who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting
restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender
balanced and geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or
maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN
Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN
manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your
name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently
developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing
Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g.
CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi
at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a
potential partner to be included in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations
-is-a-way-of-life-for-8-million-indians/
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[image: FGV Direito Rio]
*Luca Belli, PhD*
*Senior Researcher *
*Head of **Internet Governance @ FGV
<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>*
luca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 *5763*
*@1lucabelli <https://twitter.com/1lucabelli>*
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8:28 p.m.
Damn
Try again
Some more
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7064871/?tp=&
arnumber=7064871&url=http:%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel7%
2F44%2F7064851%2F07064871.pdf%3Farnumber%3D7064871
Long-Distance Telecommunication in Remote Poor Areas: From Partnerships and
Implementation to Sustainability
also can be found here
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Long-Distance-Telecommunication-in-Re…
G
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Sorry
Some more
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi
Indigenous Communities and Connectivity
A few years ago I came across a Dr. *Martin Murillo at the IEEE
HTC *
He and others ie. Alan Mickelson of University of Colorado and others
worked on a point to point connectivity solutions
He was with IDRC at the time
Look at this
http://sites.ieee.org/spotlight/ieee-humanitarian-technology
-challenge-saving-lives-in-perus-alto-amazonas/
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Luca Belli <luca.belli(a)fgv.br> wrote:
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3
session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by
default but we should send a draft session proposal by *29 June*.
As discussed at Rightscon
<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391/1254>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following
parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in
the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my
previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development
to understand the challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all
those who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting
restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender
balanced and geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or
maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the
CN Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN
manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your
name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people
currently developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some
names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing
Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g.
CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free
WiFi at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be
a potential partner to be included in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations
-is-a-way-of-life-for-8-million-indians/
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[image: FGV Direito Rio]
*Luca Belli, PhD*
*Senior Researcher *
*Head of **Internet Governance @ FGV
<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>*
luca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 *5763*
*@1lucabelli <https://twitter.com/1lucabelli>*
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Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:28 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Damn
Try again
Some more
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7064871/?tp=&arnumber=
7064871&url=http:%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel7%2F44%
2F7064851%2F07064871.pdf%3Farnumber%3D7064871
Long-Distance Telecommunication in Remote Poor Areas: From Partnerships
and Implementation to Sustainability
also can be found here
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Long-Distance-
Telecommunication-in-Remote-Poor-From-Murillo-Paco/
14a8a437f9fb9903b20456aca949dbd9f833be05
G
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Sorry
Some more
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Hi
Indigenous Communities and Connectivity
A few years ago I came across a Dr. *Martin Murillo at the IEEE
HTC *
He and others ie. Alan Mickelson of University of Colorado and others
worked on a point to point connectivity solutions
He was with IDRC at the time
Look at this
http://sites.ieee.org/spotlight/ieee-humanitarian-technology
-challenge-saving-lives-in-perus-alto-amazonas/
Glenn McKnight
NARALO Secretariat
mcknight.glenn(a)gmail.com
http://toronto.ieee.ca/
IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
glenn.mcknight(a)ieee.org
skype gmcknight
twitter gmcknight
289-830 6259
.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Luca Belli <luca.belli(a)fgv.br> wrote:
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3
session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by
default but we should send a draft session proposal by *29 June*.
As discussed at Rightscon
<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391/1254>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following
parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured
in the 2018 DC3 Report (that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my
previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development
to understand the challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all
those who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting
restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender
balanced and geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or
maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the
CN Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN
manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your
name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people
currently developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some
names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing
Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g.
CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free
WiFi at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be
a potential partner to be included in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations
-is-a-way-of-life-for-8-million-indians/
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[image: FGV Direito Rio]
*Luca Belli, PhD*
*Senior Researcher *
*Head of **Internet Governance @ FGV
<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>*
luca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 *5763*
*@1lucabelli <https://twitter.com/1lucabelli>*
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2:37 p.m.
New subject: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca/All –
See inline….
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the time to analyse
all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min is still quite
limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines for CN
evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this lines, if anyone is willing
to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work promoted by ISOC?)
*We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG on that.
**Remind me of your deadlines?
Best,
jane
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered by the CN
ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre)
in my contribution for last year’s DC3 report. It would be great if anyone (amogts the CN
cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto Mesh people who apparently are developing their
CN in parallel with P2P applications) could draft a short contribution on how to
facilitate app generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome
de Jane Coffin
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net
Assunto: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to
the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at Rightscon, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the
following parts:
presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that
should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email)
discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges
they are facing
discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGVluca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 5763@1lucabelli
3:30 p.m.
New subject: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
A followup on this. With Roger Baig we're writing on
sustainability/scalability (for GISWATCH) and we have done an initial
analysis on that for several local CN in several regions inside
guifi.net. We can expand it to other networks (outside guifi.net), even
compare to IXP and report there. Knowing the deadlines for any
submission would help to decide. Kind regards, Leandro.
On 25/6/18 16:37, Jane Coffin wrote:
Hi Luca/All –
See inline….
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
*From: *<dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
*Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Date: *Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM
*To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Cc: *"donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
*Subject: *[DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have
the time to analyse all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90
min is still quite limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on
“Gudelines for CN evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something
along this lines, if anyone is willing to draft it (perhaps based on
the IXP work promoted by ISOC?)
*We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG
on that.
**Remind me of your deadlines?
Best,
jane
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices
generated/fostered by the CN ecosystem. I have analyses some case
studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre) in my contribution
for last year’s DC3 report
<http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/19924>. It would
be great if anyone (amogts the CN cited above? or someone else e.g.
Toronto Mesh people who apparently are developing their CN in parallel
with P2P applications) could draft a short contribution on how to
facilitate app generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
*De:* dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net
[mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] *Em nome de *Jane Coffin
*Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
*Para:* Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Cc:* donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net
*Assunto:* Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases
of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet
charging for services or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform,
membership base, and management of IXP by volunteers which transition
to charging annual fees or for services at the IXP. Customer service
switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full time after
that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or
more accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally
joined as the value-add (value) of the IXP was clear and members began
to invest more time and business focus into the IXP becoming more
stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was
a boon to the community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP
and a few content delivery networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not
commercial, but a business nonetheless – more professionalized as its
member-base grows and diversifies and maintenance and expectations are
different when both the technical facilities and management need to
match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic
bottom-up governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the
same is likely the case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a
similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the
team managing has more experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is
dedicated to customer service (or keeping the network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set
that may be more network growth focused, business focused in order to
make sure more gear can be purchased and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider
identifying the other phases in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is
the importance to the community – social value and the value of the CN
to local, regional, other authorities and what the corollary impact on
how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
<http://www.internetsociety.org>
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
*From: *<dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net
<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>>
*Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
*Date: *Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
*To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net <mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
*Cc: *"donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net <mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>"
<donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net <mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>>
*Subject: *[DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3
session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by
default but we should send a draft session proposal by *29 June*.
As discussed at Rightscon
<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391/1254>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the
following parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the
2018 DC3 Report (that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my
previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to
understand the challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all
those who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting
restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender
balanced and geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or
maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the
CN Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the
CN manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can
include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people
currently developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest
some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing
Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs
e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free
WiFi at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could
also be a potential partner to be included in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
FGV Direito Rio
*Luca Belli, PhD*
/Senior Researcher /
/Head of *Internet Governance @ FGV <http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>*/
luca.belli(a)fgv.br <mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>
+55 21 3799 *5763*
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Hi all, a couple of comments:
- on the private companies side of things, maybe Ambrr Labs could be the
one? I think the solution they are trying to implement to facilitate the
compensations in a telecommunications infrastructure managed similarly to a
common-pool resource could be consider as a partnership with CNs. The
interest in the commons show in this thread (I would curious to read an
analysis of IXPs run as commons), plus the fact that it uses blockchain
technology that for what I could read after the meeting in RightsCon, is of
the interest of people in the list, make it a very good candidate.
It would be interesting to have the African Union as a potential
intergovernmental organization. ISOC organized a workshop on CNs at their
premises last week, and it was very successful. Keeping venues where they
can express their support for the movement in public, will be very
beneficial for the movement in the continent. Plus Moctar Yedaly is always
at the IGF, which makes it easier to consider as a speaker.
best,
carlos
PS: Great to know we are back at 90 minutes!!! :-D
On 25 June 2018 at 17:30, Leandro Navarro <leandro(a)pangea.org> wrote:
A followup on this. With Roger Baig we're writing
on
sustainability/scalability (for GISWATCH) and we have done an initial
analysis on that for several local CN in several regions inside guifi.net.
We can expand it to other networks (outside guifi.net), even compare to
IXP and report there. Knowing the deadlines for any submission would help
to decide. Kind regards, Leandro.
On 25/6/18 16:37, Jane Coffin wrote:
Hi Luca/All –
See inline….
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
*From: *<dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net>
<dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br> <luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
*Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Date: *Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM
*To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Cc: *"donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
<donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net> <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
*Subject: *[DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the
time to analyse all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min
is still quite limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines
for CN evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this
lines, if anyone is willing to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work
promoted by ISOC?)
*We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG on
that.
**Remind me of your deadlines?
Best,
jane
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered
by the CN ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC,
NWNP and Quintanalivre) in my contribution for last year’s DC3 report
<http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/19924>. It would be
great if anyone (amogts the CN cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto
Mesh people who apparently are developing their CN in parallel with P2P
applications) could draft a short contribution on how to facilitate app
generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
*De:* dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.
altermundi.net <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net>] *Em nome de *Jane
Coffin
*Enviada em:* sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
*Para:* Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net> <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Cc:* donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net
*Assunto:* Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of
challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet
charging for services or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership
base, and management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging
annual fees or for services at the IXP. Customer service switch from
purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full time after that (or in some
cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more accustomed to what
they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and
business focus into the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit
business, and more focus on customer service from the sense that the
platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the community. Member
base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not
commercial, but a business nonetheless – more professionalized as its
member-base grows and diversifies and maintenance and expectations are
different when both the technical facilities and management need to match
expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same
is likely the case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar
manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team
managing has more experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to
customer service (or keeping the network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that
may be more network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure
more gear can be purchased and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying
the other phases in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the
importance to the community – social value and the value of the CN to
local, regional, other authorities and what the corollary impact on how one
is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
*From: *<dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli <
luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
*Reply-To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <
dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Date: *Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
*To: *Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <
dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
*Cc: *"donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
*Subject: *[DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3
session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by
default but we should send a draft session proposal by *29 June*.
As discussed at Rightscon
<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/4391/1254>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following
parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the
2018 DC3 Report (that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous
email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to
understand the challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those
who commented during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting
restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender
balanced and geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or
maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN
Manual. If anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN
manual, please send a message (on-list or a PM) so that I can include your
name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently
developing CNs and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing
Donna) and perhaps one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g.
CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi
at Indian train stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a
potential partner to be included in the discussion https://qz.com/1300522/
googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-life-for-
8-million-indians/
What do you think?
Best
Luca
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7:09 p.m.
New subject: RES: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Leandro
This sounds very interesting. As stated in the first email and in the pad, deadline would
be 30 July
See pad here https://pad.codigosur.org/DRAFTcall_for_resources_DC3 and the email thead
"
Call for Resources 2018 Report (CN Manual)"
Would this be ok for you?
Best
________________________________
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de
Leandro Navarro [leandro(a)pangea.org]
Enviado: segunda-feira, 25 de junho de 2018 12:30
Para: dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net
Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
A followup on this. With Roger Baig we're writing on sustainability/scalability (for
GISWATCH) and we have done an initial analysis on that for several local CN in several
regions inside guifi.net. We can expand it to other networks (outside guifi.net), even
compare to IXP and report there. Knowing the deadlines for any submission would help to
decide. Kind regards, Leandro.
On 25/6/18 16:37, Jane Coffin wrote:
Hi Luca/All –
See inline….
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org>
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Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From:
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on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br><mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder@comcast.net"<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
<donna_scheeder@comcast.net><mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the time to analyse
all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min is still quite
limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines for CN
evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this lines, if anyone is willing
to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work promoted by ISOC?)
*We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG on that.
**Remind me of your deadlines?
Best,
jane
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered by the CN
ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre)
in my contribution for last year’s DC3
report<http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/19924>. It would be great
if anyone (amogts the CN cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto Mesh people who
apparently are developing their CN in parallel with P2P applications) could draft a short
contribution on how to facilitate app generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>
[mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Jane Coffin
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
Assunto: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to
the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org>
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From:
<dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>>
on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
Cc: "donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>"
<donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>>
Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at
Rightscon<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_…54>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report
(that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the
challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part
3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[FGV Direito Rio]
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>
luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>
+55 21 3799 5763
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7:13 p.m.
New subject: RES: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
It looks like just an abstract is due on 30 July.
That seems reasonable.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2018 at 3:09 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Subject: [DC3] RES: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Leandro
This sounds very interesting. As stated in the first email and in the pad, deadline would
be 30 July
See pad here https://pad.codigosur.org/DRAFTcall_for_resources_DC3 and the email thead
"
Call for Resources 2018 Report (CN Manual)"
Would this be ok for you?
Best
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de
Leandro Navarro [leandro(a)pangea.org]
Enviado: segunda-feira, 25 de junho de 2018 12:30
Para: dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net
Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
A followup on this. With Roger Baig we're writing on sustainability/scalability (for
GISWATCH) and we have done an initial analysis on that for several local CN in several
regions inside guifi.net. We can expand it to other networks (outside guifi.net), even
compare to IXP and report there. Knowing the deadlines for any submission would help to
decide. Kind regards, Leandro.
On 25/6/18 16:37, Jane Coffin wrote:
Hi Luca/All –
See inline….
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the time to analyse
all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min is still quite
limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines for CN
evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this lines, if anyone is willing
to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work promoted by ISOC?)
*We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG on that.
**Remind me of your deadlines?
Best,
jane
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered by the CN
ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre)
in my contribution for last year’s DC3 report. It would be great if anyone (amogts the CN
cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto Mesh people who apparently are developing their
CN in parallel with P2P applications) could draft a short contribution on how to
facilitate app generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome
de Jane Coffin
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net
Assunto: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to
the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at Rightscon, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the
following parts:
presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that
should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email)
discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges
they are facing
discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGVluca.belli(a)fgv.br
+55 21 3799 5763@1lucabelli
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New subject: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
+1 to the AU
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Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Carlos Rey-Moreno
<carlos.reymoreno(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2018 at 3:07 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Subject: Re: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all, a couple of comments:
- on the private companies side of things, maybe Ambrr Labs could be the one? I think the
solution they are trying to implement to facilitate the compensations in a
telecommunications infrastructure managed similarly to a common-pool resource could be
consider as a partnership with CNs. The interest in the commons show in this thread (I
would curious to read an analysis of IXPs run as commons), plus the fact that it uses
blockchain technology that for what I could read after the meeting in RightsCon, is of the
interest of people in the list, make it a very good candidate.
It would be interesting to have the African Union as a potential intergovernmental
organization. ISOC organized a workshop on CNs at their premises last week, and it was
very successful. Keeping venues where they can express their support for the movement in
public, will be very beneficial for the movement in the continent. Plus Moctar Yedaly is
always at the IGF, which makes it easier to consider as a speaker.
best,
carlos
PS: Great to know we are back at 90 minutes!!! :-D
On 25 June 2018 at 17:30, Leandro Navarro <leandro(a)pangea.org> wrote:
A followup on this. With Roger Baig we're writing on sustainability/scalability (for
GISWATCH) and we have done an initial analysis on that for several local CN in several
regions inside guifi.net. We can expand it to other networks (outside guifi.net), even
compare to IXP and report there. Knowing the deadlines for any submission would help to
decide. Kind regards, Leandro.
On 25/6/18 16:37, Jane Coffin wrote:
Hi Luca/All –
See inline….
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Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the time to analyse
all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min is still quite
limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines for CN
evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this lines, if anyone is willing
to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work promoted by ISOC?)
*We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG on that.
**Remind me of your deadlines?
Best,
jane
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered by the CN
ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre)
in my contribution for last year’s DC3 report. It would be great if anyone (amogts the CN
cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto Mesh people who apparently are developing their
CN in parallel with P2P applications) could draft a short contribution on how to
facilitate app generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome
de Jane Coffin
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net
Assunto: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to
the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net" <donna_scheeder(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at Rightscon, the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the
following parts:
presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report (that
should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email)
discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the challenges
they are facing
discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part 3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
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7:19 p.m.
New subject: RES: RES: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
The text I circulated and that is currently in the pad is:
Submissions are due on 30 July 2017. They should include the following elements:
· Title
· Short abstract (250 words)
· First draft of the submitted paper
· Author’s name, affiliation and short bibliographical note (in the body of
the email)
________________________________
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de Jane
Coffin [coffin(a)isoc.org]
Enviado: segunda-feira, 25 de junho de 2018 16:13
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
It looks like just an abstract is due on 30 July.
That seems reasonable.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Luca Belli
<luca.belli(a)fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2018 at 3:09 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Subject: [DC3] RES: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Leandro
This sounds very interesting. As stated in the first email and in the pad, deadline would
be 30 July
See pad here https://pad.codigosur.org/DRAFTcall_for_resources_DC3 and the email thead
"
Call for Resources 2018 Report (CN Manual)"
Would this be ok for you?
Best
________________________________
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de
Leandro Navarro [leandro(a)pangea.org]
Enviado: segunda-feira, 25 de junho de 2018 12:30
Para: dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net
Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
A followup on this. With Roger Baig we're writing on sustainability/scalability (for
GISWATCH) and we have done an initial analysis on that for several local CN in several
regions inside guifi.net. We can expand it to other networks (outside guifi.net), even
compare to IXP and report there. Knowing the deadlines for any submission would help to
decide. Kind regards, Leandro.
On 25/6/18 16:37, Jane Coffin wrote:
Hi Luca/All –
See inline….
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org>
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From:
<dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>
on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br><mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder@comcast.net"<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
<donna_scheeder@comcast.net><mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the time to analyse
all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min is still quite
limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines for CN
evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this lines, if anyone is willing
to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work promoted by ISOC?)
*We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG on that.
**Remind me of your deadlines?
Best,
jane
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered by the CN
ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre)
in my contribution for last year’s DC3
report<http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/19924>. It would be great
if anyone (amogts the CN cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto Mesh people who
apparently are developing their CN in parallel with P2P applications) could draft a short
contribution on how to facilitate app generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>
[mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Jane Coffin
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
Assunto: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to
the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org>
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From:
<dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>>
on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
Cc: "donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>"
<donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>>
Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at
Rightscon<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_…54>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report
(that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the
challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part
3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[FGV Direito Rio]
Luca Belli, PhD
Senior Researcher
Head of Internet Governance @ FGV<http://internet-governance.fgv.br/>
luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>
+55 21 3799 5763
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7:21 p.m.
New subject: RES: RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Carlos,
Excellent suggestions!
Could you put le in contact with Moctar?
As regards Ambrr, Leandro is part of it right? Who could be a potential speaker (ideally a
woman)?
Many thanks
________________________________
De: dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net [dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net] em nome de Jane
Coffin [coffin(a)isoc.org]
Enviado: segunda-feira, 25 de junho de 2018 16:14
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
Assunto: Re: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
+1 to the AU
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From: <dc3-bounces(a)listas.altermundi.net> on behalf of Carlos Rey-Moreno
<carlos.reymoreno(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2018 at 3:07 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity <dc3(a)listas.altermundi.net>
Subject: Re: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all, a couple of comments:
- on the private companies side of things, maybe Ambrr Labs could be the one? I think the
solution they are trying to implement to facilitate the compensations in a
telecommunications infrastructure managed similarly to a common-pool resource could be
consider as a partnership with CNs. The interest in the commons show in this thread (I
would curious to read an analysis of IXPs run as commons), plus the fact that it uses
blockchain technology that for what I could read after the meeting in RightsCon, is of the
interest of people in the list, make it a very good candidate.
It would be interesting to have the African Union as a potential intergovernmental
organization. ISOC organized a workshop on CNs at their premises last week, and it was
very successful. Keeping venues where they can express their support for the movement in
public, will be very beneficial for the movement in the continent. Plus Moctar Yedaly is
always at the IGF, which makes it easier to consider as a speaker.
best,
carlos
PS: Great to know we are back at 90 minutes!!! :-D
On 25 June 2018 at 17:30, Leandro Navarro
<leandro@pangea.org<mailto:leandro@pangea.org>> wrote:
A followup on this. With Roger Baig we're writing on sustainability/scalability (for
GISWATCH) and we have done an initial analysis on that for several local CN in several
regions inside guifi.net<http://guifi.net>. We can expand it to other networks
(outside guifi.net<http://guifi.net>), even compare to IXP and report there. Knowing
the deadlines for any submission would help to decide. Kind regards, Leandro.
On 25/6/18 16:37, Jane Coffin wrote:
Hi Luca/All –
See inline….
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org>
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From:
<dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>
on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br><mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Date: Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: "donna_scheeder@comcast.net"<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
<donna_scheeder@comcast.net><mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
Subject: [DC3] RES: Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the comparison with IXPs that I think is very pertinent.
You raise very good points and, fo course it would be great to have the time to analyse
all in depth.
My only concern is that, although we have regained our 90-min slot, 90 min is still quite
limited…
It would be very good to feture in the Manual a brief part on “Gudelines for CN
evolution/sustainability/scalability” or something along this lines, if anyone is willing
to draft it (perhaps based on the IXP work promoted by ISOC?)
*We can take that on, but would clearly be working with APC/our CNSIG on that.
**Remind me of your deadlines?
Best,
jane
It would also be great to have a brief piece on sevices generated/fostered by the CN
ecosystem. I have analyses some case studies (Guifi.net, TIC-AC, NWNP and Quintanalivre)
in my contribution for last year’s DC3
report<http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/19924>. It would be great
if anyone (amogts the CN cited above? or someone else e.g. Toronto Mesh people who
apparently are developing their CN in parallel with P2P applications) could draft a short
contribution on how to facilitate app generativity.
I have just added to the call for resources, two bullet points on
CN scalability and sustainability
App and service generation
All the best
Luca
De: dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>
[mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net] Em nome de Jane Coffin
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de junho de 2018 04:50
Para: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net><mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>
Cc: donna_scheeder@comcast.net<mailto:donna_scheeder@comcast.net>
Assunto: Re: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi Luca –
Some food for thought as I was not at Rights Con (sadly 😉).
CNs – from my experience – go through phases of development and phases of challenges.
In the IXP world (which is similar) we saw the:
-start-up phase (mostly volunteer and often non-profit and not yet charging for services
or ports/other)
-Intermediate phase – from start-up to more developed platform, membership base, and
management of IXP by volunteers which transition to charging annual fees or for services
at the IXP. Customer service switch from purely volunteer to hiring part-time staff/full
time after that (or in some cases still purely volunteer, but more organized or more
accustomed to what they are doing)– more members have generally joined as the value-add
(value) of the IXP was clear and members began to invest more time and business focus into
the IXP becoming more stable, more of a non-profit business, and more focus on customer
service from the sense that the platform needed to be stable as it was a boon to the
community. Member base is transitioning from pure ISP and a few content delivery
networks.
-more mature non-profit entity (business if you will) – generally not commercial, but a
business nonetheless – more professionalized as its member-base grows and diversifies and
maintenance and expectations are different when both the technical facilities and
management need to match expectations due to the value of the platform. Classic bottom-up
governance and a clear Internet player.
*there are challenges at all of these levels and I would suggest the same is likely the
case for CNs
For CNs – my guess is that we can chart development of a CN in a similar manner.
-“start-up”
-Intermediate non-profit that is relied up for its service and the team managing has more
experience, can troubleshoot faster, and is dedicated to customer service (or keeping the
network up)
-More developed/non-profit that has shifted into a different mind-set that may be more
network growth focused, business focused in order to make sure more gear can be purchased
and the platform is managed.
Do you want to limit the workshop to start-up, but consider identifying the other phases
in the compendium for future consideration?
Clearly there is going to be great info from all of the phases.
The development of CNs is of great interest. What I have not noted is the importance to
the community – social value and the value of the CN to local, regional, other authorities
and what the corollary impact on how one is able to advance reg/pol change.
Best,
Jane
Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org<http://www.internetsociety.org>
Skype: janercoffin
Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429
From:
<dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3-bounces@listas.altermundi.net>>
on behalf of Luca Belli <luca.belli@fgv.br<mailto:luca.belli@fgv.br>>
Reply-To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
<dc3@listas.altermundi.net<mailto:dc3@listas.altermundi.net>>
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: Dynamic Coalition on Community Connectivity
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Subject: [DC3] Planning the DC3 Session
Hi all,
A further issue we should start discussing is the planning of the DC3 session.
As DC3 has continuously produced outputs, we have a session slot by default but we should
send a draft session proposal by 29 June.
As discussed at
Rightscon<http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_…54>,
the DC3 session could have a threefold structure featuring the following parts:
1. presentation of (at least some of) the initiatives featured in the 2018 DC3 Report
(that should be the “CN Manual” mentioned in my previous email)
2. discussion with people in their early phase of CN development to understand the
challenges they are facing
3. discussion with potential partners
FYI, the 90 minutes time slot has been reestablished (thanks to all those who commented
during the IGF stocktaking consultation requesting restauration of the 90 min slot!!).
The session should be as much as possible, multistakeholder, gender balanced and
geographically diverse.
I propose to have up to 3 speakers in part 1; 2 for part 2; and 2 (or maybe 3) in part
3.
The speakers for part 1 will be chosen amongst the contributors of the CN Manual. If
anyone is already sure to submit a contribution for the CN manual, please send a message
(on-list or a PM) so that I can include your name in the DRAFT session description.
As regards part 2, Nico Pace offered to help liaise with people currently developing CNs
and facing challenges. Nico can you suggest some names?
As regards part 3, I was thinking that IFLA could be good (I am CCing Donna) and perhaps
one Intergovernmental org that is dealing with CNs e.g. CITEL or African Union.
Lastly, after having read what Google India is doing, providing Free WiFi at Indian train
stations, I have started wondering if it could also be a potential partner to be included
in the discussion
https://qz.com/1300522/googles-free-wifi-at-railway-stations-is-a-way-of-li…
What do you think?
Best
Luca
[FGV Direito Rio]
Luca Belli, PhD
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