Re: [lime-users] New Matrix chat [was: IRC #libremesh...?]

Hi guys, Regarding the conversation of Matrix or IRC and libremesh or libremesh-dev y guess we can split the conversation: I guess the shift from libremesh to libremesh-dev was just to state that it is not a support mechanism. In that sense, I agree. The migration to Matrix as the main mechanism is atually not that, because there is also #libremesh-dev at freenode, I guess we can use the guifi matrix server as a cache and gateway for those that choose to use it, and explaining it as such is enough. The thing about shifting from IRC to Matrix changes the way we conceive that kind of interaction... I would propose that for support we can keep the email and leaving this for a casual thing, no matter if it IRC or Matrix. Also, the concentration in the Matrix development that samba raised are relevant for the conversation. IRC is a very stable protocol and matrix is still in development. On Mon, 2017-10-30 at 14:27 +0100, guifipedro wrote: > I don't feel part of libremesh organization (I still don't have clear > how it coordinates) -> so I don't know how we consensuate ways to > talk. > > ... but I influenced the decision of matrix chat, and I will give > information about that > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 1:40 PM, samba <samba(a)autistici.org> wrote: >> I don't like the idea to have another channel where to discuss >> libremesh >> stuff unless we clarify which channel is for what here and on the >> website. > This was required to bridge with matrix (#libremesh room is not > registered / cannot be registered because is full of people). I > registered #libremesh-dev myself. > > Matrix was proposed as a way to facilitate accessibility to chat, > matrix offer essentially: > > - public log of the channel [1] > - integration with mobile devices, etc. > - replication of the room through different matrix servers > >> Actually we have 3 channel where to communicate: >> >> - #libremesh ? >> - #libremesh-dev ? >> - ML lime-users >> >> I think we need to start to clarify this on the website. People is >> asking me where to ask for info and I still point them to the ML. >> >> Also I don't like the idea to use matrix / riot.im >> I've some concern with the matrix developer working for Amdocs and >> their >> unclear involvement with Mossad[1]. So, untill matrix will become >> something community-based and not developed a matrix-fundation, >> mostly >> funded by Amdocs [2], I will prefer to keep using IRC. > Hope intro text in matrix.guifi.net [2] is enough to clarify that > matrix stuff is for IRC / public channels. > > You can use IRC through Freenode/#libremesh-dev > > [1] https://riot.guifi.net/#/room/#libremesh-dev:matrix.guifi.net > > [2] text says: > > Security information > > Communication between server and your client is secure (https) but > the > admins of this service can read all non end-to-end encrypted > messages. > On Riot provides you asynchronous encryption capabilities for > individual and group roomsthrough Double Ratchet Algorithm. Your > metadata (emisor, receptor, cuándo, etc.) is still exposed, "We kill > people based on metadata" said someone. If you think that what you > have to say could be dangerous for you or your people use other tools > to communicate, if you don't know what to use try with retroshare. > > Matrix is decentralized: You don't need to trust this service, come > on! install your own matrix server like this one > _______________________________________________ > lime-users mailing list > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users > > > _______________________________________________ > lime-users mailing list > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users