10 Jun
2018
10 Jun
'18
11:47 p.m.
Continuing my quest to categorize devices based on their LibreMesh compatibility, since
the LibreRouter hasn't arrived yet and won't solve all needs....
1) great, (e.g. WDR3500)
2) okay, but fixed antennas
3) some functions not working, (e.g. Archer C20v4)
4) emergencies only (ones that have 4 or 2 MB flash)
5) incompatible (e.g. 841HP)
In Chef, when I type "ubiq" in the router model field, I get a list of Ubiquiti
devices supposedly compatible with the latest release of LibreMesh. How is this list
generated? Is it reviewed by a human?
Here are examples of why I ask: it says Nano-M and Nano M XW: are these NanoStation or
NanoBeam? It says Loco XW but the OpenWrt ToH says that the latest supported release for
the Loco is 10.03.1, https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/nanostationm2....? Flashing
LibreMesh onto NanoStation and TP-Link CPE devices could make some networks much easier to
maintain.... If it actually works.
This continues a conversation from last year about improving our documentation, such as
maintaining a LibreMesh wiki.
~ Patricio
11 Jun
11 Jun
9:04 a.m.
Hi Patricio,
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 06:47:45PM -0500, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
Continuing my quest to categorize devices based on
their LibreMesh compatibility, since the LibreRouter hasn't arrived yet and
won't solve all needs....
1) great, (e.g. WDR3500)
2) okay, but fixed antennas
3) some functions not working, (e.g. Archer C20v4)
4) emergencies only (ones that have 4 or 2 MB flash)
5) incompatible (e.g. 841HP)
In Chef, when I type "ubiq" in the router model field, I get a list of Ubiquiti
devices supposedly compatible with the latest release of LibreMesh. How is this list
generated? Is it reviewed by a human?
The low-level part of LibreMesh is really just OpenWrt. So these are
the boards OpenWrt generates images for on the platforms we try to
support. Platforms (ie. chipsets) are preselected by humans, because we
just know that some things will never work well (broadcom...), are too
outdated or unsuitable for libremesh in any other way. Hence, all
boards of out supported targets supported by OpenWrt CC 15.05
automatically end up being supported by LibreMesh. ar71xx (the by far
most popular target which also includes all ubnt outdoor devices)
Here are examples of why I ask: it says Nano-M and Nano M XW: are these NanoStation or
NanoBeam? It says Loco XW but the OpenWrt ToH says that the latest supported release for
the Loco is 10.03.1, https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/nanostationm2....? Flashing
LibreMesh onto NanoStation and TP-Link CPE devices could make some networks much easier to
maintain.... If it actually works.
Nah, XM and XW are based on different reference designs:
XM means AR7xxx SoC + AR9xxx WiFi via PCIe
XW means AR9xxx SoC with integrated WiFi
ie. XW is more recent and cheaper to make (and also more RAM...)
"Nano M" refers to ubnt XM series NanoStation M2 and M5 *including the
old XM Loco variants*.
"Nano M XW" refers to ubnt XW series NanoStation M5 and M5, but not
the loco variants, there are extra images for those.
"Loco XW" refers to XW series low-cost devices such as the
NanoStation M2/M5 Loco **XW**.
And sure, LiMe works on TP-Link CPE devices, though those devices
themselves are not exactly great hardware.
I might not completely understand your question and/or problem here but
hope I could provide some useful information. If you have any questions,
please ask!
This continues a conversation from last year about improving our documentation, such as
maintaining a LibreMesh wiki.
I don't think that creating a whole lot of redundant information such
as on hardware support makes sense. We depend on OpenWrt here anyway,
so why not just improve the OpenWrt wiki instead?
Cheers
Daniel
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1:48 p.m.
Daniel, that's very helpful info! My replies below...
El 11 de junio de 2018 4:04:35 GMT-05:00, Daniel Golle <daniel(a)makrotopia.org>
escribió:
Once I figure out what models we have I might have more questions. I don't
have them in my hands yet.
Hi Patricio,
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 06:47:45PM -0500, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
What about PowerBeam?
If I flash a Ubnt device with LibreMesh, will I lose some of the configuration options, at
least as far as the GUI allows? (I can do command line stuff, but I don't consider it
viable for general community members where I live).
Flashing our PowerBeams would make troubleshooting easier.
Continuing my quest to categorize devices based
on their LibreMesh
compatibility, since the LibreRouter hasn't arrived yet and
won't solve
all needs....
1) great, (e.g. WDR3500)
2) okay, but fixed antennas
3) some functions not working, (e.g. Archer C20v4)
4) emergencies only (ones that have 4 or 2 MB flash)
5) incompatible (e.g. 841HP)
In Chef, when I type "ubiq" in the router model field, I get a list
of
Ubiquiti devices supposedly compatible with the latest release of
LibreMesh. How is this list generated? Is it reviewed by a human?
The low-level part of LibreMesh is really just OpenWrt. So these are
the boards OpenWrt generates images for on the platforms we try to
support. Platforms (ie. chipsets) are preselected by humans, because we
just know that some things will never work well (broadcom...), are too
outdated or unsuitable for libremesh in any other way. Hence, all
boards of out supported targets supported by OpenWrt CC 15.05
automatically end up being supported by LibreMesh. ar71xx (the by far
most popular target which also includes all ubnt outdoor devices)
Here are examples of why I ask: it says Nano-M and Nano M XW: are
these NanoStation
or NanoBeam? It says Loco XW but the OpenWrt ToH says
that the latest supported release for the Loco is 10.03.1,
https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/nanostationm2....? Flashing LibreMesh
onto NanoStation and TP-Link CPE devices could make some networks much
easier to maintain.... If it actually works.
Nah, XM and XW are based on different reference designs:
XM means AR7xxx SoC + AR9xxx WiFi via PCIe
XW means AR9xxx SoC with integrated WiFi
ie. XW is more recent and cheaper to make (and also more RAM...)
"Nano M" refers to ubnt XM series NanoStation M2 and M5 *including the
old XM Loco variants*.
"Nano M XW" refers to ubnt XW series NanoStation M5 and M5, but not
the loco variants, there are extra images for those.
"Loco XW" refers to XW series low-cost devices such as the
NanoStation M2/M5 Loco **XW**.
And sure, LiMe works on TP-Link CPE devices, though
those devices
themselves are not exactly great hardware.
What's sub-optimal about them? They
break in the rain? Don't have good range?
I might not completely understand your question and/or problem here but
hope I could provide some useful information. If you have any
questions,
please ask!
I don't want to replicate the OpenWrt wiki, rather I want to add a layer of
information on top of it. Some of the info might go directly on the OpenWrt wiki, and
other info specific to LibreMesh, such as community network case studies and technical
diagrams probably would be more appropriate on the LibreMesh site, or somewhere similar. I
can describe what I imagine in more detail later by writing examples.
Greetings from a foggy city,
Patrick
This continues a conversation from last year about improving our
documentation,
such as maintaining a LibreMesh wiki.
I don't think that creating a whole lot of redundant information such
as on hardware support makes sense. We depend on OpenWrt here anyway,
so why not just improve the OpenWrt wiki instead?
Cheers
Daniel
~ Patricio
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13 Jun
12:13 a.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
On 06/11/2018 04:04 AM, Daniel Golle wrote:
Nah, XM and XW are based on different reference
designs:
XM means AR7xxx SoC + AR9xxx WiFi via PCIe
XW means AR9xxx SoC with integrated WiFi
ie. XW is more recent and cheaper to make (and also more RAM...)
"Nano M" refers to ubnt XM series NanoStation M2 and M5 *including the
old XM Loco variants*.
"Nano M XW" refers to ubnt XW series NanoStation M5 and M5, but not
the loco variants, there are extra images for those.
"Loco XW" refers to XW series low-cost devices such as the
NanoStation M2/M5 Loco **XW**.
Now we are configuring the devices, and something isn't working, so I'm
considering flashing them with LibreMesh.
* NanoStation M2: Firmware version XS2.ar2316.v4.0.4.5074.150724.1340 *
This would be the Nano-M LibreMesh firmware?
* Loco: Firmware Version: XW.v6.1.3 *
Sounds like we'd use the Loco XW LibreMesh firmware, but I'm worried
about the warning on the OpenWrt wiki:
https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/airmaxm
Special Firmware Note: AirOS XM.v5.5.X images used U-Boot 1.1.4.2-s594
(Dec 5 2012 - 15:23:07). The OpenWRT image can be successfully flashed
onto these versions of firmware. However, in July 2015 Ubiquiti released
a new version of firmware XM.v5.6.X. With this firmware a new U-Boot
version was released, U-Boot 1.1.4.2-s956 (Jun 10 2015 - 10:54:50). The
newer U-Boot version changes the memory size and starting address for
rootfs, cfg, and EEPROM. LOADING AN OPENWRT IMAGE ON A U-Boot
1.1.4.2-s956 WILL CAUSE THE DEVICE TO BE BRICKED!!!
If the device has XM.v5.6.X, an older version of XM firmware can be
loaded from the AirOS webgui (for example XM.v5.5.10) and U-Boot will be
overwritten with the older version. OpenWRT can then be loaded onto the
device successfully.
9:19 a.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
On 06/13/2018 02:13 AM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
* Loco: Firmware Version: XW.v6.1.3 *
Sounds like we'd use the Loco XW LibreMesh firmware, but I'm worried
about the warning on the OpenWrt wiki:
https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/airmaxm
Special Firmware Note: AirOS XM.v5.5.X images used U-Boot 1.1.4.2-s594
(Dec 5 2012 - 15:23:07). The OpenWRT image can be successfully flashed
onto these versions of firmware. However, in July 2015 Ubiquiti released
a new version of firmware XM.v5.6.X. With this firmware a new U-Boot
version was released, U-Boot 1.1.4.2-s956 (Jun 10 2015 - 10:54:50). The
newer U-Boot version changes the memory size and starting address for
rootfs, cfg, and EEPROM. LOADING AN OPENWRT IMAGE ON A U-Boot
1.1.4.2-s956 WILL CAUSE THE DEVICE TO BE BRICKED!!!
If the device has XM.v5.6.X, an older version of XM firmware can be
loaded from the AirOS webgui (for example XM.v5.5.10) and U-Boot will be
overwritten with the older version. OpenWRT can then be loaded onto the
device successfully.
Take this warning seriously!
Every Ubiquiti airMAX device (all of the ones we use) with AirOS 5.6 or
AirOS 6 has to be **downgraded** to AirOS 5.5 **before** flashing with
LibreMesh/LEDE/OpenWrt.
You can find the old versions of AirOS 5.5 XM and XW here:
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XN-fw/v5.5.11/XM.v5.5.11.28002.150723.1344.bin
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XW-fw/v5.5.10/XW.v5.5.10-u2.28005.150723.1358…
If you accidentally flash LibreMesh/LEDE/OpenWrt on top of AirOS 5.6 or
6 you will have to disassemble the router (not trivial for some of the
routers!), connect to the serial port with an adapter and follow the
instructions here:
http://bloodhound.aredn.org/products/AREDN/wiki/HowTo/Unbrick
Ciao!
Ilario
23 Aug
23 Aug
11:47 p.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
On 06/13/2018 04:19 AM, Ilario Gelmetti wrote:
Take this warning seriously!
Every Ubiquiti airMAX device (all of the ones we use) with AirOS 5.6 or
AirOS 6 has to be **downgraded** to AirOS 5.5 **before** flashing with
LibreMesh/LEDE/OpenWrt.
You can find the old versions of AirOS 5.5 XM and XW here:
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XN-fw/v5.5.11/XM.v5.5.11.28002.150723.1344.bin
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XW-fw/v5.5.10/XW.v5.5.10-u2.28005.150723.1358…
Should these images work for PowerBeam M5 and LiteBeam M5?
11:57 p.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
try it. if they fail due to not being signed, then youll need an intermediate firmware
which bypasses signature checks before flashing 5.5.x.
grr, i know. its trial and error and searching for these firmwares is the most time
consuming part.
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-------- Original Message --------
On Aug 23, 2018, 19:47, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
On 06/13/2018 04:19 AM, Ilario Gelmetti wrote:
Take this warning seriously!
Every Ubiquiti airMAX device (all of the ones we use) with AirOS 5.6 or
AirOS 6 has to be **downgraded** to AirOS 5.5 **before** flashing with
LibreMesh/LEDE/OpenWrt.
You can find the old versions of AirOS 5.5 XM and XW here:
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XN-fw/v5.5.11/XM.v5.5.11.28002.150723.1344.bin
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XW-fw/v5.5.10/XW.v5.5.10-u2.28005.150723.1358…
Should these images work for PowerBeam M5 and LiteBeam M5?
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24 Aug
12:01 a.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
More rumours for you:
I think from a specific AirOS version you cannot downgrade, or you can
downgrade like gradually or something...
The thing is that recently I upgraded from AirOS v6.1.4 to
factory-openwrt and it worked. I don't remember if I did it with TFTP
or WebGUI update method. (Try both ways?)
Another guy said me to go to the AirOS beta and from there upgrade.
7:50 a.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
Il giorno ven 24 ago 2018 alle ore 01:48 Patricio Gibbs
<patricio(a)altermundi.net> ha scritto:
On 06/13/2018 04:19 AM, Ilario Gelmetti wrote:
I think those AirOS firmwares should support PowerBeam M5 and LiteBeam M5, yes.
Contrariwise the AirOS web interface will tell you that it's not
suggested to flash that image.
PowerBeam is supported in OpenWrt and in LibreMesh since long time.
Instead LiteBeam are supported just since march [1].
So LiteBeam will be supported in the upcoming LibreMesh release.
Ciao!
Ilario
[1]
https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commit;h=d0988235dd277b9a8…
Take this warning seriously!
Every Ubiquiti airMAX device (all of the ones we use) with AirOS 5.6 or
AirOS 6 has to be **downgraded** to AirOS 5.5 **before** flashing with
LibreMesh/LEDE/OpenWrt.
You can find the old versions of AirOS 5.5 XM and XW here:
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XN-fw/v5.5.11/XM.v5.5.11.28002.150723.1344.bin
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XW-fw/v5.5.10/XW.v5.5.10-u2.28005.150723.1358…
Should these images work for PowerBeam M5 and LiteBeam M5? 
10:45 a.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
It would not surprise me if ubiquity remove those files from their website soon
or later, in that case I have found them also at this alternative locations
retroshare://file?name=XW.v5.5.10-
u2.28005.150723.1358.bin&size=6866199&hash=d4b1d0762eb2f992cf9ef379e895bdbe5e5cf0bb
retroshare://file?
name=XM.v5.5.11.28002.150723.1344.bin&size=6896662&hash=ccb73fdf9c24f56870db2cf2e8a28e9febd61d15
retroshare://file?
name=TI.v5.5.11.28002.150723.1518.bin&size=6589689&hash=3e7345eaa84083c37059f57f165ab08fec50d66b
If in new devices a middle step downgrade is required too please report that
too with as much details as possible.
Cheers!
Gio
On Friday, 24 August 2018 01:47:53 CEST Patricio Gibbs wrote:
On 06/13/2018 04:19 AM, Ilario Gelmetti wrote:
Take this warning seriously!
Every Ubiquiti airMAX device (all of the ones we use) with AirOS 5.6 or
AirOS 6 has to be **downgraded** to AirOS 5.5 **before** flashing with
LibreMesh/LEDE/OpenWrt.
You can find the old versions of AirOS 5.5 XM and XW here:
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XN-fw/v5.5.11/XM.v5.5.11.28002.150723.1344.b
in
https://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/XW-fw/v5.5.10/XW.v5.5.10-u2.28005.150723.13
58.bin
Should these images work for PowerBeam M5 and LiteBeam M5?
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3:15 p.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
On 06/12/2018 07:13 PM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
* NanoStation M2: Firmware version XS2.ar2316.v4.0.4.5074.150724.1340 *
This would be the Nano-M LibreMesh firmware?
Does this device and firmware version seem compatible with LibreMesh
flashing?
In case it's relevant:
FCC I: SWX-NS2
ICID: 6545A-NS2
10:31 p.m.
New subject: [lime-users] Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
On 06/13/2018 10:15 AM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
On 06/12/2018 07:13 PM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
Looking around more, I realize this is a NanoStation 2, different from a
NanoStation M2, and has 4MB flash, 16MB RAM, and a slow processor... in
other words, darn, I bought something different than what I wanted. I
could try putting lime-zero on it...??
https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/nanostation
At this point it works in station mode to connect with the Loco M2, but
I can no longer access its management interface. The Loco shows the
connection as "Last known IP: unknown" -- kind of a joke. Oh well, as
long as it works, I don't need to change anything. But I plan to flash
the Loco M2 XW with LibreMesh, and maybe at that point the connection
will fail and I'll hard reset the NS2 and reconfigure it.
This experience is making me understand the motivation to create the
LibreRouter. Time to figure out how to get it through type approval /
homologation in Ecuador.
~ Patrick
* NanoStation M2: Firmware version XS2.ar2316.v4.0.4.5074.150724.1340 *
This would be the Nano-M LibreMesh firmware?
Does this device and firmware version seem compatible with LibreMesh
flashing?
In case it's relevant:
FCC I: SWX-NS2
ICID: 6545A-NS2
9 Jul
9 Jul
5:40 p.m.
New subject: [lime-users] internet quality decline when network extended, was: Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
When the NanoStation and NanoLoco were separated by 150 meters, the
quality of internet connection in the entire network declined. Any idea
why? Packet loss?
Network structure:
Internet
\//\
MicroTik parabolic dish antenna (ISP)
\/cable/\
TP-Link 840N(ES) v5 (ISP, stock firmware) <-WiFi + cable-> clients
\/cable/\
NanoStation2 (stock firmware, not LibreMesh-able)
\/WiFi 150 meters/\
NanoLocoM2 (stock firmware)
\/cable/\
TP-Link 842N (LibreMesh 17.06)
\/WiFi/\
clients
~ Patrick
On 06/13/2018 05:31 PM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
On 06/13/2018 10:15 AM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
On 06/12/2018 07:13 PM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
Looking around more, I realize this is a NanoStation 2, different from a
NanoStation M2, and has 4MB flash, 16MB RAM, and a slow processor... in
other words, darn, I bought something different than what I wanted. I
could try putting lime-zero on it...??
https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/nanostation
At this point it works in station mode to connect with the Loco M2, but
I can no longer access its management interface. The Loco shows the
connection as "Last known IP: unknown" -- kind of a joke. Oh well, as
long as it works, I don't need to change anything. But I plan to flash
the Loco M2 XW with LibreMesh, and maybe at that point the connection
will fail and I'll hard reset the NS2 and reconfigure it.
This experience is making me understand the motivation to create the
LibreRouter. Time to figure out how to get it through type approval /
homologation in Ecuador.
~ Patrick
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* NanoStation M2: Firmware version XS2.ar2316.v4.0.4.5074.150724.1340 *
This would be the Nano-M LibreMesh firmware?
Does this device and firmware version seem compatible with LibreMesh
flashing?
In case it's relevant:
FCC I: SWX-NS2
ICID: 6545A-NS2
6:33 p.m.
New subject: [lime-users] internet quality decline when network extended, was: Ubiquiti NanoStation and Loco
Buenas,
What was the distance between NSs before increasing to 150m?
Have you checked for interference at the new location? Try doing a sitesurvey
'scan' -- or use the 'iw' or 'iwlist' commands to perform
scanning in command line.
I am guessing if this is the only thing that has changed, then interference at the
'new' location would be causing it.
Was the change in speeds very very bad? Is any metal or other radios interfering at the
new location? have you cleared any parapit? What are you using to test speeds? What are
the before and after results?
What are the signal readings in the chain? At 150 meters you could possibly decrease the
txpower if the signals are too strong (if you are seeing -45 or so).
-Igel
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On July 9, 2018 5:40 PM, Patricio Gibbs <patricio(a)altermundi.net> wrote:
When the NanoStation and NanoLoco were separated by
150 meters, the
quality of internet connection in the entire network declined. Any idea
why? Packet loss?
Network structure:
Internet
//
MicroTik parabolic dish antenna (ISP)
/cable/
TP-Link 840N(ES) v5 (ISP, stock firmware) <-WiFi + cable-> clients
/cable/
NanoStation2 (stock firmware, not LibreMesh-able)
/WiFi 150 meters/
NanoLocoM2 (stock firmware)
/cable/
TP-Link 842N (LibreMesh 17.06)
/WiFi/
clients
~ Patrick
On 06/13/2018 05:31 PM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
On 06/13/2018 10:15 AM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
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https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users On 06/12/2018 07:13 PM, Patricio Gibbs wrote:
Looking around more, I realize this is a NanoStation 2, different from a
NanoStation M2, and has 4MB flash, 16MB RAM, and a slow processor... in
other words, darn, I bought something different than what I wanted. I
could try putting lime-zero on it...??
https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/nanostation
At this point it works in station mode to connect with the Loco M2, but
I can no longer access its management interface. The Loco shows the
connection as "Last known IP: unknown" -- kind of a joke. Oh well, as
long as it works, I don't need to change anything. But I plan to flash
the Loco M2 XW with LibreMesh, and maybe at that point the connection
will fail and I'll hard reset the NS2 and reconfigure it.
This experience is making me understand the motivation to create the
LibreRouter. Time to figure out how to get it through type approval /
homologation in Ecuador.
~ Patrick
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This would be the Nano-M LibreMesh firmware?
Does this device and firmware version seem compatible with LibreMesh
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