On Thu, 2017-10-19 at 09:59 +0200, fred wrote: This would be very interesting... but usually mantaining a blockchain requires a lot of storage and CPU power... routers might not be the best fit for it. However, thinking of local digital ledgers for local digital currencies is a very interesting topic. Regards, _______________________________________________ lime-users mailing list lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users

On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 17:28 +0200, panayotis antoniadis wrote: It doesn't need to conceive speculation... that is there by design... there could be a currency that doesn't include speculation as part of its model. > But perhaps there are some gains to be made (e.g., public awareness > and > pressure for better legislation) if big players enter in this > ecosystem. > > I am not sure, and I would be actually interested in your opinion ... > > Best, > > Panos. > http://nethood.org/panayotis/ > > > On 20.10.2017 16:11, Nicolas Pace wrote: >> On Thu, 2017-10-19 at 09:59 +0200, fred wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I had to conduct an analysis on blockchain technology and realize >>> that >>> it is disruptive and could be a way to conduct ICO (initial coin >>> offering) campaigns. >>> >>> This makes me think about a way to find a solution to provide >>> "bank >>> service" on mesh networks and find fundings and contributors to >>> help >>> LibreMesh technology to spread... >>> >>> I am submitting my thoughts on this mailing list to discuss >>> about. >> >> This would be very interesting... but usually mantaining a >> blockchain >> requires a lot of storage and CPU power... routers might not be the >> best fit for it. >> >> However, thinking of local digital ledgers for local digital >> currencies >> is a very interesting topic. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lime-users mailing list >> lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org >> https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users > > > _______________________________________________ > lime-users mailing list > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users > > > _______________________________________________ > lime-users mailing list > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users

Hi fred, Ammbr is a new project jumping on the "Initial Coin Offering (ICO)" trend, and this is what I meant by "speculation". They have produced a white paper which is also somehow speculative and marketing oriented leaving out many key challenges and technical details for implementing the underlying vision (in short, no prototype is available). However, the concept is obviously interesting and since the details make a difference worth thinking carefully about some of them, like the convertibility of the currency with "fiat money", how to ensure liquidity, and other important currency design issues that do not have to do with computer engineering. I will share soon a related paper that we are writing with Leandro Navarro for Guifi.net on some interesting analogies and possible synergies between community currencies (which have a long history before bitcoin) and community networks. The LibrePod is very beautiful! And if there is interest in this list about this topic I will be sharing some hopefully interesting material ... Best, Panos. On 23.10.2017 17:08, fred wrote: _______________________________________________ lime-users mailing list lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users

More food for thought: http://altheamesh.com/

On Sat, 2017-10-28 at 22:32 +0300, Nicolas Pace wrote: > Amazing exchanges. > > fred, I like the concept of a colective ledger that is not based on > proof of work... would be very interesting to understand how to use > it > deeper or even search for a community to do a trial. > > Ammbr still feels too distant... it is just a feeling. > > But for community networks having a local currency that they can > define > it's value i think it would be great to have something like that. > > The ledger could be managed in the nodes, or as a p2p network in > the > phones or computers. > > Regards, > > On Mon, 2017-10-23 at 17:35 +0200, panayotis antoniadis wrote: > > Hi fred, > > > > Ammbr is a new project jumping on the "Initial Coin Offering > > (ICO)" > > trend, and this is what I meant by "speculation". > > > > They have produced a white paper which is also somehow > > speculative > > and > > marketing oriented leaving out many key challenges and technical > > details > > for implementing the underlying vision (in short, no prototype is > > available). > > > > However, the concept is obviously interesting and since the > > details > > make > > a difference worth thinking carefully about some of them, like > > the > > convertibility of the currency with "fiat money", how to ensure > > liquidity, and other important currency design issues that do not > > have > > to do with computer engineering. > > > > I will share soon a related paper that we are writing with > > Leandro > > Navarro for Guifi.net on some interesting analogies and possible > > synergies between community currencies (which have a long history > > before > > bitcoin) and community networks. > > > > The LibrePod is very beautiful! > > > > And if there is interest in this list about this topic I will be > > sharing > > some hopefully interesting material ... > > > > Best, > > > > Panos. > > > > On 23.10.2017 17:08, fred wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Thanks for Ammbr link, > > > do they have a working prototype to show? > > > > > > In my case, to reduce proof of work extra power consumption, > > > I was thinking about using free money project from Duniter > > > https://duniter.org/en/ (money is member generated instead of > > > blockchain > > > mining). > > > > > > Prototyping it on a "LibrePod" conceived in http://redport.cl/ > > > Adding P2P services. Like document sharing & media center + > > > social > > > network service + device charging service... > > > > > > I am willing to make the project in collaboration with Dominica > > > Governement as a Mesh Network service to rebuild after > > > Hurricane. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > Le 21/10/2017 à 01:59, Nicolas Pace a écrit : > > > > On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 17:28 +0200, panayotis antoniadis > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you have heard of Ammbr? http://ammbr.com/ > > > > > It seems highly relevant for this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I have many reservations for a scheme that > > > > > combines > > > > > speculation with sharing :-) > > > > > > > > It doesn't need to conceive speculation... that is there by > > > > design... > > > > there could be a currency that doesn't include speculation as > > > > part of > > > > its model. > > > > > > > > > But perhaps there are some gains to be made (e.g., public > > > > > awareness > > > > > and > > > > > pressure for better legislation) if big players enter in > > > > > this > > > > > ecosystem. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure, and I would be actually interested in your > > > > > opinion ... > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > Panos. > > > > > http://nethood.org/panayotis/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 20.10.2017 16:11, Nicolas Pace wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2017-10-19 at 09:59 +0200, fred wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had to conduct an analysis on blockchain technology > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > realize > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it is disruptive and could be a way to conduct ICO > > > > > > > (initial > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > offering) campaigns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This makes me think about a way to find a solution to > > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > "bank > > > > > > > service" on mesh networks and find fundings and > > > > > > > contributors to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > LibreMesh technology to spread... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am submitting my thoughts on this mailing list to > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be very interesting... but usually mantaining > > > > > > a > > > > > > blockchain > > > > > > requires a lot of storage and CPU power... routers might > > > > > > not > > > > > > be the > > > > > > best fit for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, thinking of local digital ledgers for local > > > > > > digital > > > > > > currencies > > > > > > is a very interesting topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > lime-users mailing list > > > > > > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > > > > > > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > lime-users mailing list > > > > > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > > > > > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > lime-users mailing list > > > > > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > > > > > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lime-users mailing list > > > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > > > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lime-users mailing list > > lime-users(a)lists.libremesh.org > > https://lists.libremesh.org/mailman/listinfo/lime-users