Hi all, and my apologies for not participating more actively in this
very interesting thread.
Following Bruno thoughts, and looking for building consensus:
I'm assuming that everyone of us is absolutely sure that any grant given
in the past, was very well deserved by whatever project that got it.
As much grants available in the future, better, but being pragmatic, our
intuition is that will be insufficient: Financing developments,
infrastructures or meetings it's always costly, but no doubt it's good
A few weeks ago and very inspired by all the experience that Flora from
QuintanaLibre was transmitting, came the idea that without quitting any
existing initiative, would be also useful to think how we can promote
the sharing of those experiences, while at the same time developing
relationships between the people from diverse communities, and not just
leaders, with rotation programs, things like that. That might also help
to stimulate and motivate all community members, as well to facilitate a
better gender participation, etc
IMHO that's makes sense as a complement of whatever is being already done-
El 17/05/18 a les 21:48, bruno vianna ha escrit:
A few more cents on the discussion.
I think we should focus on building networks and the technology for
them. To be blunt, I support a fund for new networks with the 30k
award and funding for libre-ecosystem with the 10k.
Since I began working with CNs, it surprises me how much funding goes
into studies, publications, meetings, as compared to the community
networks themselves (and the tools they need). I suspect this could be
related to the fact that most networks in developed countries have the
means to self fund their equipment and volunteer time. But this
strategy would have been virtually impossible on the networks I have
been involved. It is as if CNs were expected to just sprout out the
ground by themselves. At the same time, Beyond the Net last year
awarded 30k for the NYC mesh - which of course is a fantastic project,
doing very important experiments, but being in NYC doesn't really do
much to bridge the digital gap... Even in the mozilla competition
where Coolab and Gran Marg participated, a big award went to an wifi
project supported by ads. Which in my opinion could get financing from
a bank, as opposed to the isolated communities and open
hardware/software that should get more unrecoverable support.
Of course I'm all for a gathering and exchange of networks. But as far
as I know, ISOC is planning for a global meeting of CNs next year, so
I think this would be duplicating the activities (and a waste of the
grant, since ISOC will probably use other funds for it). Also Nico has
checked the rules before, and they won't support projects where most
of the money goes to travel expenses.
I do support strongly though, the idea that more CNs should be managed
and built by women. So I wonder if it would be a good idea to put
funds for new networks in the hands of the women in the communities.
Perhaps an open call for women-led CNs?
In any case I understand the value of all suggestions, and will
support whatever the consensus is.
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Sarbani Banerjee Belur
<sarbanibelur(a)iitb.ac.in <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>> wrote:
To the points that Sol had mentioned, I am very keen and
interested in the
second point regarding sustainability and addressing the various
and challenges. I would like to propose that in addition to this,
can work on women in community networks and how they use the network
globally. This would be a very interesting study. Can we propose that?
How do we go about with SIG project with Global scope? Gram Marg is
interested. Gram Marg would be studying the Gender Impact
its own community led network. Technology challenges and developing
community technology could be something else that can be studied
all community networks.
I can elaborate on it and discuss it with others as well.
I still think we can receive more oppinions regarding ideas before
Sol, maybe you can share a bit more about the inter-communities
idea. I believe that it can have great impact,
but we would need to
frame it so that the budget is not mainly used for flights.
Maybe it can
be complemented by other budget sources and we
can apply for the
10K grant for this.
I have created the survey so we can choose a date for our meeting:
(same time as usual)
Please complete your date options ASAP.
I left one week until the call ends so we can have another
work on the actual project proposals.
On 05/14/2018 12:26 PM, Gio wrote:
> I agree on candidating LibreRouter for the big grant, moreover
> should add something like "Distributed Culture Repository Phase
> community network friendly application cocktail
> On Monday, 14 May 2018 16:28:40 CEST panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>> Hi Nico and all,
>> On 14.05.2018 01:53, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>>>> Carlos and NicoP had mentioned a "libreserver" project that if
>>>> understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
>>>> Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional
>>>> librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
>>>> applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or
>>>> image compatible with better hardware).
>>>> Since the grant is small
>>> From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a
>>> grant). We could apply for the medium
>> OK for me! Just to make it clear, for now NetHood doesn't need
>> and I would be willing to help another
CNSIG member to write a
>> application on this topic (for us it
would be already a
success if we
>> manage to support a complementary to our
effort at a
>> global scale).
>>>> it could just involve the assessment of
>>>> existing solutions, guifi's cloudy,
>>>> toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit
, yunohost, and other
>>>> platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package"
>>>> improved multi-lingual
>>>> And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already
>>>> exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project
>>>> on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their
>>>> (those project finish at the end
of 2018) and adoption,
>>>> "librerouter" package.
Or something like this :-)
>>> Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project
>>> the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in
>>> location or not anymore, but it seems
like a good opportunity
>>> about it.
>> Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG
>> spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and
>> disappeared again :-)
>> Whoever is interested on putting together an application on
>> please contact me to organize a short
meeting to see which are the
>> options we have.
>>> AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you are
>>> an assessment of existing similar
solutions in an organized
>>> haven't seen the results of his
investigation on this matter,
>>> should be the natural starting point.
Also AFAIK the budget
>>> project is considered on-hold too...
so that could also be
>>> this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad
>>> his own and that led to the project
goals not being met.
>>> Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all
>>> is a guifi.net
<http://guifi.net> initiative and well you are
part of the MAZI project,
>>> right? so... LibreServer + MAZI +
Cloudy might be an
>>> of efforts which the CNSIG could
spearhead if we can muster
>> I agree!
>>> do it :)
>> So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
>> objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons,
>> framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs
>> optimized for the librerouter setup?
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