12 Mar
2018
12 Mar
'18
3:54 p.m.
On 03/10/2018 05:56 PM, Nicholas Kourtzis wrote:
I was thinking, I haven't seen B4RN mentioned
much around the group.
Wouldn't they also be a good candidate member?
So far, our Bylaws have adopted a very minimalistic definition of
Community Networks, which is the one ISOC has used in their documents:
"network infrastructures built, managed, and used by local communities."
I understand B4RN[1], as well as other operators like many in the
FFDN[2] are not Community Networks in the same sense; they are not built
and managed by the community, but by a non-profit entity which is not
governed by the community itself.
Maybe I'm understanding it wrong. I haven't had the chance to meet
people from B4RN so far. Maybe someone else can shed light on this case.
Cheers,
Nico
[1] https://b4rn.org.uk/about-us/
[2] https://www.ffdn.org/en/members-fdn-federation
2018-03-05 15:15 GMT+02:00 bruno vianna
<bruno(a)pobox.com
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I realize we're missing the US networks, specially Detroit and NYC mesh.
I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
funding from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to
the pad.
bruno
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol(a)zenzeleni.net
<mailto:sol@zenzeleni.net>> wrote:
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that
already seem obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in
Nico's last email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council
members to oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an
formal letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think
the letter should be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>:
I tend to think we are making an issue out of this, when it
should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer
this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in
Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious"
candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from
SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about
joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about
the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case
regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned
Paul Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider
obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an
over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global
perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in
other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/02/2018 11:09 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
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Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for
insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of
previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or
individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the
process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people
from Freifunk
to
join or even to ask why they are not already
requested
themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in
an old debate that I
am not aware of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are
soon no
obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at
least if
I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start
working
first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and
perhaps for
others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi Panos and all,
>
> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I
agree on
> inclusion in general, so I do believe some
work in
reaching out is
> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are
some CNs
that have
> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that
seem like
very natural
> participants and they should be integrated
asap.
>
> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach
out to
CNs
> that are perhaps not represented in other
groups and
whose input has
> not been considered before. My point here I
guess is that
we don't
> only end up reaching to the organisations we
all know,
but research
> further to incorporate others more "out
of the loop" -
maybe aiming at
> some regional diversity but mainly to push
ourselves to
go further
> than the norm.
>
> This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
> duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not
duplicate we
need
> to understand what we are doing and what has
been/ is
being done by
> others. For me one of the first tasks we need
to do
(perhaps within
> the WGs) is to understand what prior
work/efforts are
valuable to our
> work. This may lead in some cases to rather
partner/ have
regular
> meetings with other groups or organisations
than to
integrate everyone
> into this SIG.
>
> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs
that are
> "obvious" candidates which have
requested to be part of
the CNSIG.
> Maybe a council member formally nominates
them and the
council has a
> short period to approve or object. For
further reaching
out, I would
> first aim to create a comprehensive list of
CNs and
groups that are
> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs)
to get a
clear idea of
> what there is/ who is out there and what our
relationship
would be
> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>
> What do you think?
> Sol
>
> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis
<panayotis(a)nethood.org <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>
> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>>:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding
this issue
and
> Nico
> just reminded me that there were no answers to the
e-mail :-)
>
> So, I am answering!
>
> From my side, the list started by Nico is already
good enough
to start
> contacting and here is a pad to
"add" to the list
(together with a
> very
> draft invitation text):
>
> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
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>
> Personally, I know people from the three first
networks, and
I
> could do
> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead
on
this and
> would
> do it only if asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was
raised
but we had no
> > time to address is the reach-out
process and
candidates selection.
> >
> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of
the
community
> networks
> > we would like to invite.
> >
> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to
be
global, I
> believe
> > it is important to try to keep some regional
balance in
the
> group over time.
> >
> > There were two candidates previously mentioned.
Let's grow this list
> > with the communities we would like
to reach out to.
I'd suggest
> that we
> > also add some contact names for each organization.
> >
> > So, starting the list:
> >
> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> <http://guifi.net>
(Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic
Meisel, André
Gaul...)
> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti,
...)
> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava,
Osama
Manzar,
> ...)
> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
> > - ...
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> > NicoEchániz
> >
> >
> >
> >
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