29 Jan
2018
29 Jan
'18
7:07 p.m.
Hi all,
During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we had no
time to address is the reach-out process and candidates selection.
I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community networks
we would like to invite.
Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I believe
it is important to try to keep some regional balance in the group over time.
There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this list
with the communities we would like to reach out to. I'd suggest that we
also add some contact names for each organization.
So, starting the list:
- guifi.net (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
- Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André Gaul...)
- Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
- Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar, ...)
- PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
- ...
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
22 Feb
22 Feb
9:35 p.m.
Dear all,
I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue and Nico
just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
So, I am answering!
From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to start
contacting and here is a pad to "add" to the list (together with a very
draft invitation text):
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I could do
the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and would
do it only if asked.
Best,
Panos.
On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
Hi all,
During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we had no
time to address is the reach-out process and candidates selection.
I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community networks
we would like to invite.
Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I believe
it is important to try to keep some regional balance in the group over time.
There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this list
with the communities we would like to reach out to. I'd suggest that we
also add some contact names for each organization.
So, starting the list:
- guifi.net (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
- Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André Gaul...)
- Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
- Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar, ...)
- PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
- ...
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
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28 Feb
28 Feb
10:07 p.m.
Hi Panos and all,
Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I agree on inclusion
in general, so I do believe some work in reaching out is necessary and
valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs that have already reached out to
us, like Gufinet, that seem like very natural participants and they should
be integrated asap.
On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach out to CNs that are
perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has not been
considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't only end up
reaching to the organisations we all know, but research further to
incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming at some regional
diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further than the norm.
This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid duplicating
efforts made by others. In order to not duplicate we need to understand
what we are doing and what has been/ is being done by others. For me one of
the first tasks we need to do (perhaps within the WGs) is to understand
what prior work/efforts are valuable to our work. This may lead in some
cases to rather partner/ have regular meetings with other groups or
organisations than to integrate everyone into this SIG.
In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs that are "obvious"
candidates which have requested to be part of the CNSIG. Maybe a council
member formally nominates them and the council has a short period to
approve or object. For further reaching out, I would first aim to create a
comprehensive list of CNs and groups that are relevant to the CNSIG (maybe
within the WGs) to get a clear idea of what there is/ who is out there and
what our relationship would be (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
What do you think?
Sol
2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis(a)nethood.org>rg>:
Dear all,
I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue and Nico
just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
So, I am answering!
From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to start
contacting and here is a pad to "add" to the list (together with a very
draft invitation text):
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I could do
the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and would
do it only if asked.
Best,
Panos.
On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
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Hi all,
During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we had no
time to address is the reach-out process and candidates selection.
I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community networks
we would like to invite.
Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I believe
it is important to try to keep some regional balance in the group over
time.
There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this list
with the communities we would like to reach out to. I'd suggest that we
also add some contact names for each organization.
So, starting the list:
- guifi.net (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
- Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André Gaul...)
- Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
- Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar, ...)
- PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
- ...
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
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2 Mar
2:09 p.m.
Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people from Freifunk to
join or even to ask why they are not already requested themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate that I am not aware of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are soon no obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at least if I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start working first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and perhaps for others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
Hi Panos and all,
Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I agree on
inclusion in general, so I do believe some work in reaching out is
necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs that have
already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that seem like very natural
participants and they should be integrated asap.
On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach out to CNs
that are perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has
not been considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't
only end up reaching to the organisations we all know, but research
further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming at
some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further
than the norm.
This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not duplicate we need
to understand what we are doing and what has been/ is being done by
others. For me one of the first tasks we need to do (perhaps within
the WGs) is to understand what prior work/efforts are valuable to our
work. This may lead in some cases to rather partner/ have regular
meetings with other groups or organisations than to integrate everyone
into this SIG.
In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs that are
"obvious" candidates which have requested to be part of the CNSIG.
Maybe a council member formally nominates them and the council has a
short period to approve or object. For further reaching out, I would
first aim to create a comprehensive list of CNs and groups that are
relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs) to get a clear idea of
what there is/ who is out there and what our relationship would be
(member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
What do you think?
Sol
2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis(a)nethood.org
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>:
Dear all,
I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue and
Nico
just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
So, I am answering!
From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to start
contacting and here is a pad to "add" to the list (together with a
very
draft invitation text):
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I
could do
the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and
would
do it only if asked.
Best,
Panos.
On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
Hi all,
During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we had no
time to address is the reach-out process and candidates selection.
I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community
networks
we would like to invite.
Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I
believe
it is important to try to keep some regional
balance in the
group over time.
There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this list
with the communities we would like to reach out to. I'd suggest
that we
also add some contact names for each
organization.
So, starting the list:
- guifi.net <http://guifi.net> (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
- Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André Gaul...)
- Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
- Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar,
...)
- PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
- ...
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
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8:47 p.m.
I tend to think we are making an issue out of this, when it should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious" candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned Paul Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/02/2018 11:09 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people from Freifunk to
join or even to ask why they are not already requested themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate that I am not aware of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are soon no obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at least if I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start working first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and perhaps for others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
Hi Panos and all,
Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I agree on
inclusion in general, so I do believe some work in reaching out is
necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs that have
already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that seem like very natural
participants and they should be integrated asap.
On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach out to CNs
that are perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has
not been considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't
only end up reaching to the organisations we all know, but research
further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming at
some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further
than the norm.
This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not duplicate we need
to understand what we are doing and what has been/ is being done by
others. For me one of the first tasks we need to do (perhaps within
the WGs) is to understand what prior work/efforts are valuable to our
work. This may lead in some cases to rather partner/ have regular
meetings with other groups or organisations than to integrate everyone
into this SIG.
In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs that are
"obvious" candidates which have requested to be part of the CNSIG.
Maybe a council member formally nominates them and the council has a
short period to approve or object. For further reaching out, I would
first aim to create a comprehensive list of CNs and groups that are
relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs) to get a clear idea of
what there is/ who is out there and what our relationship would be
(member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
What do you think?
Sol
2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis(a)nethood.org
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>:
Dear all,
I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue and
Nico
just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
So, I am answering!
From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to start
contacting and here is a pad to "add" to the list (together with a
very
draft invitation text):
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I
could do
the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and
would
do it only if asked.
Best,
Panos.
On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
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Hi all,
During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we had no
time to address is the reach-out process and candidates selection.
I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community
networks
we would like to invite.
Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I
believe
it is important to try to keep some regional
balance in the
group over time.
There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this list
with the communities we would like to reach out to. I'd suggest
that we
also add some contact names for each
organization.
So, starting the list:
- guifi.net <http://guifi.net> (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
- Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André Gaul...)
- Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
- Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar,
...)
- PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
- ...
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
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9:54 p.m.
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that already seem
obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in Nico's last
email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council members to oppose
or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an formal
letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think the letter should
be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>et>:
I tend to think we are making an issue out of this,
when it should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious" candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned Paul Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
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Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people from Freifunk to
join or even to ask why they are not already requested themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate that I am not aware
of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are soon no obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at least if I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start working first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and perhaps for others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi Panos and all,
>
> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I agree on
> inclusion in general, so I do believe some work in reaching out is
> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs that have
> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that seem like very natural
> participants and they should be integrated asap.
>
> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach out to CNs
> that are perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has
> not been considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't
> only end up reaching to the organisations we all know, but research
> further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming at
> some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further
> than the norm.
>
> This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
> duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not duplicate we need
> to understand what we are doing and what has been/ is being done by
> others. For me one of the first tasks we need to do (perhaps within
> the WGs) is to understand what prior work/efforts are valuable to our
> work. This may lead in some cases to rather partner/ have regular
> meetings with other groups or organisations than to integrate everyone
> into this SIG.
>
> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs that are
> "obvious" candidates which have requested to be part of the CNSIG.
> Maybe a council member formally nominates them and the council has a
> short period to approve or object. For further reaching out, I would
> first aim to create a comprehensive list of CNs and groups that are
> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs) to get a clear idea of
> what there is/ who is out there and what our relationship would be
> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>
> What do you think?
> Sol
>
> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis(a)nethood.org
> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue and
> Nico
> just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
>
> So, I am answering!
>
> From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to
start
> contacting and here is a pad to
"add" to the list (together with a
> very
> draft invitation text):
>
> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
> <https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
>
> Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I
> could do
> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and
> would
> do it only if asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we had
no
> > time to address is the reach-out
process and candidates selection.
> >
> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community
> networks
> > we would like to invite.
> >
> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I
> believe
> > it is important to try to keep some regional balance in the
> group over time.
> >
> > There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this
list
> > with the communities we would like
to reach out to. I'd suggest
> that we
> > also add some contact names for each organization.
> >
> > So, starting the list:
> >
> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca,
...)
- Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André
Gaul...)
- Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
- Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar,
...)
- PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
- ...
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
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1:15 p.m.
I realize we're missing the US networks, specially Detroit and NYC mesh.
I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
funding
from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to the pad.
bruno
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol(a)zenzeleni.net> wrote:
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with
the ones are that already seem
obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in Nico's last
email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council members to
oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an formal
letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think the letter should
be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>et>:
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I tend to think we are making an issue out of
this, when it should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in Community
Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious" candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned Paul
Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
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Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people from Freifunk to
join or even to ask why they are not already requested themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate that I am not aware
of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are soon no obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at least if I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start working first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and perhaps for others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi Panos and all,
>
> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I agree on
> inclusion in general, so I do believe some work in reaching out is
> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs that have
> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that seem like very natural
> participants and they should be integrated asap.
>
> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach out to CNs
> that are perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has
> not been considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't
> only end up reaching to the organisations we all know, but research
> further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming at
> some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further
> than the norm.
>
> This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
> duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not duplicate we need
> to understand what we are doing and what has been/ is being done by
> others. For me one of the first tasks we need to do (perhaps within
> the WGs) is to understand what prior work/efforts are valuable to our
> work. This may lead in some cases to rather partner/ have regular
> meetings with other groups or organisations than to integrate everyone
> into this SIG.
>
> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs that are
> "obvious" candidates which have requested to be part of the CNSIG.
> Maybe a council member formally nominates them and the council has a
> short period to approve or object. For further reaching out, I would
> first aim to create a comprehensive list of CNs and groups that are
> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs) to get a clear idea of
> what there is/ who is out there and what our relationship would be
> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>
> What do you think?
> Sol
>
> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis(a)nethood.org
> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue and
> Nico
> just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
>
> So, I am answering!
>
> From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to
start
> contacting and here is a pad to
"add" to the list (together with a
> very
> draft invitation text):
>
> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
> <https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
>
> Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I
> could do
> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and
> would
> do it only if asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we
had no
> > time to address is the reach-out
process and candidates
selection.
> >
> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community
> networks
> > we would like to invite.
> >
> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I
> believe
> > it is important to try to keep some regional balance in the
> group over time.
> >
> > There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this
list
> > with the communities we would like
to reach out to. I'd suggest
> that we
> > also add some contact names for each organization.
> >
> > So, starting the list:
> >
> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca,
...)
>
- Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André Gaul...)
> - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
> - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar,
...)
> - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
> - ...
>
>
> Cheers!
> NicoEchániz
>
>
>
>
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8:56 p.m.
I was thinking, I haven't seen B4RN mentioned much around the group.
Wouldn't they also be a good candidate member?
Best,
N.
2018-03-05 15:15 GMT+02:00 bruno vianna <bruno(a)pobox.com>om>:
I realize we're missing the US networks,
specially Detroit and NYC mesh.
I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
funding
from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to the pad.
bruno
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol(a)zenzeleni.net>
wrote:
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start
with the ones are that already seem
obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in Nico's
last email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council members to
oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an formal
letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think the letter should
be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
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I tend to think we are making an issue out of
this, when it should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in Community
Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious" candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned Paul
Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
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Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people from Freifunk
to
join or even to ask why they are not already
requested themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate that I am not
aware
of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are soon no obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at least if I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start working first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and perhaps for others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi Panos and all,
>
> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I agree on
> inclusion in general, so I do believe some work in reaching out is
> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs that have
> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that seem like very natural
> participants and they should be integrated asap.
>
> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach out to CNs
> that are perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has
> not been considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't
> only end up reaching to the organisations we all know, but research
> further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming at
> some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further
> than the norm.
>
> This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
> duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not duplicate we need
> to understand what we are doing and what has been/ is being done by
> others. For me one of the first tasks we need to do (perhaps within
> the WGs) is to understand what prior work/efforts are valuable to our
> work. This may lead in some cases to rather partner/ have regular
> meetings with other groups or organisations than to integrate everyone
> into this SIG.
>
> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs that are
> "obvious" candidates which have requested to be part of the CNSIG.
> Maybe a council member formally nominates them and the council has a
> short period to approve or object. For further reaching out, I would
> first aim to create a comprehensive list of CNs and groups that are
> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs) to get a clear idea of
> what there is/ who is out there and what our relationship would be
> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>
> What do you think?
> Sol
>
> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <
panayotis(a)nethood.org
> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue and
> Nico
> just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
>
> So, I am answering!
>
> From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to
start
> contacting and here is a pad to
"add" to the list (together with a
> very
> draft invitation text):
>
> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
> <https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
>
> Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I
> could do
> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and
> would
> do it only if asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we
had no
> > time to address is the reach-out
process and candidates
selection.
> >
> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community
> networks
> > we would like to invite.
> >
> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I
> believe
> > it is important to try to keep some regional balance in the
> group over time.
> >
> > There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow this
list
> > with the communities we would like
to reach out to. I'd suggest
> that we
> > also add some contact names for each organization.
> >
> > So, starting the list:
> >
> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca,
...)
> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic
Meisel, André Gaul...)
> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama Manzar,
> ...)
> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
> > - ...
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> > NicoEchániz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> Bridge 2017
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12 Mar
12:33 p.m.
I spoke with Diana Nucera from the Detroit CN and she said she is
interested in joining the group and discussion.
She also recommended the Rise NYC network, which apparently is more of a CN
then NYC mesh.
Contacts are in the pad.
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Nicholas Kourtzis <kourtzis(a)sarantaporo.gr>
wrote:
I was thinking, I haven't seen B4RN mentioned
much around the group.
Wouldn't they also be a good candidate member?
Best,
N.
2018-03-05 15:15 GMT+02:00 bruno vianna <bruno(a)pobox.com>om>:
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I realize we're missing the US networks,
specially Detroit and NYC mesh.
I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
funding
from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to the pad.
bruno
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol(a)zenzeleni.net>
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Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start
with the ones are that already
seem obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in Nico's
last email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council members to
oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an formal
letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think the letter should
be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
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I tend to think we are making an issue out of
this, when it should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in Community
Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious" candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned Paul
Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/02/2018 11:09 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for insisting on
> this topic.
>
> From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of previous
> efforts and not being clear to me which groups or individuals were
> somehow "responsible" for blocking the process.
>
> Very practically, I feel for example like asking people from Freifunk
to
> join or even to ask why they are not already requested themselves to
do
> so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate that I am not
aware of.
>
> In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are soon no
obvious
> CNs missing from the list of organizations or at least if I understand
> why this is so :-)
>
> But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start working first"
> having these issues cleared out for me (and perhaps for others) along
> the way.
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
>> Hi Panos and all,
>>
>> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I agree on
>> inclusion in general, so I do believe some work in reaching out is
>> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are some CNs that have
>> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that seem like very natural
>> participants and they should be integrated asap.
>>
>> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach out to CNs
>> that are perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has
>> not been considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't
>> only end up reaching to the organisations we all know, but research
>> further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming
at
>> some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further
>> than the norm.
>>
>> This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
>> duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not duplicate we need
>> to understand what we are doing and what has been/ is being done by
>> others. For me one of the first tasks we need to do (perhaps within
>> the WGs) is to understand what prior work/efforts are valuable to our
>> work. This may lead in some cases to rather partner/ have regular
>> meetings with other groups or organisations than to integrate
everyone
>> into this SIG.
>>
>> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs that are
>> "obvious" candidates which have requested to be part of the CNSIG.
>> Maybe a council member formally nominates them and the council has a
>> short period to approve or object. For further reaching out, I would
>> first aim to create a comprehensive list of CNs and groups that are
>> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs) to get a clear idea of
>> what there is/ who is out there and what our relationship would be
>> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>>
>> What do you think?
>> Sol
>>
>> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <
panayotis(a)nethood.org
>> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>:
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding this issue
and
>> Nico
>> just reminded me that there were no answers to the e-mail :-)
>>
>> So, I am answering!
>>
>> From my side, the list started by Nico is already good enough to
start
>> contacting and here is a pad to "add" to the list (together with
a
>> very
>> draft invitation text):
>>
>> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
>> <https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
>>
>> Personally, I know people from the three first networks, and I
>> could do
>> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead on this and
>> would
>> do it only if asked.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Panos.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was raised but we
had no
>> > time to address is the reach-out process and candidates
selection.
>> >
>> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of the community
>> networks
>> > we would like to invite.
>> >
>> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to be global, I
>> believe
>> > it is important to try to keep some regional balance in the
>> group over time.
>> >
>> > There were two candidates previously mentioned. Let's grow
this list
>> > with the communities we would like to reach out to. I'd suggest
>> that we
>> > also add some contact names for each organization.
>> >
>> > So, starting the list:
>> >
>> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> (Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca,
...)
>> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic Meisel, André Gaul...)
>> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti, ...)
>> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava, Osama
Manzar,
>> ...)
>> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
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On 03/12/2018 09:33 AM, bruno vianna wrote:
I spoke with Diana Nucera from the Detroit CN and she
said she is
interested in joining the group and discussion. She also recommended
the Rise NYC network, which apparently is more of a CN then NYC
mesh.
Contacts are in the pad.
I have contacted Freifunk people, they are willing to join and asked
about some details. I clarified those and asked them to please fill in
the "form" we proposed a little while ago so the Council can formally
evaluate their participation.
I have also asked Roger from Guifi.net to send in the same "form", as a
follow-up to the e-mail where he asked about joining the CNSIG.
I feel that it would be great if after inviting those candidates that
seem more obvious we could focus on reaching out to Community Networks
that are less mainstream, have less press coverage but they are out
there, doing day to day work on the ground. Quoting Sol:
On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to
reach out to CNs
that are perhaps not represented in other groups and whose input has
not been considered before. My point here I guess is that we don't
only end up reaching to the organisations we all know, but research
further to incorporate others more "out of the loop" - maybe aiming
at some regional diversity but mainly to push ourselves to go further
than the norm.
Cheers!
Nico
5 p.m.
I have also asked Roger from Guifi.net to send in the same "form", as a
follow-up to the e-mail where he asked about joining the CNSIG.
I rolled back the thread but couldn't find the "form"!
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On 03/12/2018 02:00 PM, bruno vianna wrote:
I have also asked Roger from Guifi.net to send in the same "form", as a
follow-up to the e-mail where he asked about joining the CNSIG.
I rolled back the thread but couldn't find the "form"!
Where is it?
Hi Bruno,
It's just this:
CNSIG Application Form for Council participation
Organization:
Country
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representative/s:
(name <email>)
3:54 p.m.
On 03/10/2018 05:56 PM, Nicholas Kourtzis wrote:
I was thinking, I haven't seen B4RN mentioned
much around the group.
Wouldn't they also be a good candidate member?
So far, our Bylaws have adopted a very minimalistic definition of
Community Networks, which is the one ISOC has used in their documents:
"network infrastructures built, managed, and used by local communities."
I understand B4RN[1], as well as other operators like many in the
FFDN[2] are not Community Networks in the same sense; they are not built
and managed by the community, but by a non-profit entity which is not
governed by the community itself.
Maybe I'm understanding it wrong. I haven't had the chance to meet
people from B4RN so far. Maybe someone else can shed light on this case.
Cheers,
Nico
[1] https://b4rn.org.uk/about-us/
[2] https://www.ffdn.org/en/members-fdn-federation
2018-03-05 15:15 GMT+02:00 bruno vianna
<bruno(a)pobox.com
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I realize we're missing the US networks, specially Detroit and NYC mesh.
I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
funding from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to
the pad.
bruno
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<mailto:sol@zenzeleni.net>> wrote:
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that
already seem obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in
Nico's last email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council
members to oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an
formal letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think
the letter should be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>:
I tend to think we are making an issue out of this, when it
should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer
this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in
Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious"
candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from
SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about
joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about
the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case
regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned
Paul Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider
obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an
over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global
perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in
other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
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Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for
insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of
previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or
individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the
process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people
from Freifunk
to
join or even to ask why they are not already
requested
themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in
an old debate that I
am not aware of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are
soon no
obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at
least if
I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start
working
first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and
perhaps for
others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi Panos and all,
>
> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I
agree on
> inclusion in general, so I do believe some
work in
reaching out is
> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are
some CNs
that have
> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that
seem like
very natural
> participants and they should be integrated
asap.
>
> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach
out to
CNs
> that are perhaps not represented in other
groups and
whose input has
> not been considered before. My point here I
guess is that
we don't
> only end up reaching to the organisations we
all know,
but research
> further to incorporate others more "out
of the loop" -
maybe aiming at
> some regional diversity but mainly to push
ourselves to
go further
> than the norm.
>
> This leads me to another point, which is that we should avoid
> duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not
duplicate we
need
> to understand what we are doing and what has
been/ is
being done by
> others. For me one of the first tasks we need
to do
(perhaps within
> the WGs) is to understand what prior
work/efforts are
valuable to our
> work. This may lead in some cases to rather
partner/ have
regular
> meetings with other groups or organisations
than to
integrate everyone
> into this SIG.
>
> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs
that are
> "obvious" candidates which have
requested to be part of
the CNSIG.
> Maybe a council member formally nominates
them and the
council has a
> short period to approve or object. For
further reaching
out, I would
> first aim to create a comprehensive list of
CNs and
groups that are
> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs)
to get a
clear idea of
> what there is/ who is out there and what our
relationship
would be
> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>
> What do you think?
> Sol
>
> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis
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> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>>:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding
this issue
and
> Nico
> just reminded me that there were no answers to the
e-mail :-)
>
> So, I am answering!
>
> From my side, the list started by Nico is already
good enough
to start
> contacting and here is a pad to
"add" to the list
(together with a
> very
> draft invitation text):
>
> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
>
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>>
>
> Personally, I know people from the three first
networks, and
I
> could do
> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead
on
this and
> would
> do it only if asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was
raised
but we had no
> > time to address is the reach-out
process and
candidates selection.
> >
> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of
the
community
> networks
> > we would like to invite.
> >
> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to
be
global, I
> believe
> > it is important to try to keep some regional
balance in
the
> group over time.
> >
> > There were two candidates previously mentioned.
Let's grow this list
> > with the communities we would like
to reach out to.
I'd suggest
> that we
> > also add some contact names for each organization.
> >
> > So, starting the list:
> >
> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> <http://guifi.net>
(Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic
Meisel, André
Gaul...)
> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti,
...)
> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava,
Osama
Manzar,
> ...)
> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
> > - ...
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> > NicoEchániz
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> >
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I will be meeting with people from B4RN next week in London, at the IETF101
conference. I am expecting to get to know about them. I can update you on
that by the end of next week.
2018-03-12 17:54 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>et>:
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I was thinking, I haven't seen B4RN
mentioned much around the group.
Wouldn't they also be a good candidate member?
So far, our Bylaws have adopted a very minimalistic definition of
Community Networks, which is the one ISOC has used in their documents:
"network infrastructures built, managed, and used by local communities."
I understand B4RN[1], as well as other operators like many in the
FFDN[2] are not Community Networks in the same sense; they are not built
and managed by the community, but by a non-profit entity which is not
governed by the community itself.
Maybe I'm understanding it wrong. I haven't had the chance to meet
people from B4RN so far. Maybe someone else can shed light on this case.
Cheers,
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2018-03-05 15:15 GMT+02:00 bruno vianna
<bruno(a)pobox.com
<mailto:bruno@pobox.com>>:
I realize we're missing the US networks, specially Detroit and NYC
mesh.
I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
funding from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to
the pad.
bruno
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol(a)zenzeleni.net
<mailto:sol@zenzeleni.net>> wrote:
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that
already seem obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in
Nico's last email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council
members to oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an
formal letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think
the letter should be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net
avoid
:
I tend to think we are making an issue out of this, when it
should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer
this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in
Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious"
candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from
SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about
joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about
the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case
regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned
Paul Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider
obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an
over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global
perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in
other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/02/2018 11:09 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for
insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of
previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or
individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the
process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people
from Freifunk
to
join or even to ask why they are not already
requested
themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in
an old debate that I
am not aware of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are
soon no
obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at
least if
I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start
working
first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and
perhaps for
others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi Panos and all,
>
> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I
agree on
> inclusion in general, so I do believe some
work in
reaching out is
> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are
some CNs
that have
> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that
seem like
very natural
> participants and they should be integrated
asap.
>
> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach
out to
CNs
> that are perhaps not represented in other
groups and
whose input has
> not been considered before. My point here I
guess is that
we don't
> only end up reaching to the organisations we
all know,
but research
> further to incorporate others more "out
of the loop" -
maybe aiming at
> some regional diversity but mainly to push
ourselves to
go further
>> than the norm.
>>
>> This leads me to another point, which is that we should >
duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not
duplicate we need
> to understand what we are doing and what has
been/ is
being done by
> others. For me one of the first tasks we need
to do
(perhaps within
> the WGs) is to understand what prior
work/efforts are
valuable to our
> work. This may lead in some cases to rather
partner/ have
regular
> meetings with other groups or organisations
than to
integrate everyone
> into this SIG.
>
> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs
that are
> "obvious" candidates which have
requested to be part of
the CNSIG.
> Maybe a council member formally nominates
them and the
council has a
> short period to approve or object. For
further reaching
out, I would
> first aim to create a comprehensive list of
CNs and
groups that are
> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs)
to get a
clear idea of
> what there is/ who is out there and what our
relationship
would be
> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>
> What do you think?
> Sol
>
> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis
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>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding
this issue
and
> Nico
> just reminded me that there were no answers to the
e-mail :-)
>
> So, I am answering!
>
> From my side, the list started by Nico is already
good enough
to start
> contacting and here is a pad to
"add" to the list
(together with a
> very
> draft invitation text):
>
> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
>
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>>
>
> Personally, I know people from the three first
networks, and
I
> could do
> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead
on
this and
> would
> do it only if asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was
raised
but we had no
> > time to address is the reach-out
process and
candidates selection.
> >
> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of
the
community
> networks
> > we would like to invite.
> >
> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to
be
global, I
> believe
> > it is important to try to keep some regional
balance in
the
> group over time.
> >
> > There were two candidates previously mentioned.
Let's grow this list
> > with the communities we would like
to reach out to.
I'd suggest
> that we
> > also add some contact names for each organization.
> >
> > So, starting the list:
> >
> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> <http://guifi.net>
(Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic
Meisel, André
Gaul...)
> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti,
...)
> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava,
Osama
Manzar,
> ...)
> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
> > - ...
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> > NicoEchániz
> >
> >
> >
> >
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5:36 p.m.
Dear Nicolas and all,
According to what I have read on the B4RN website, it may not be completely
accurate that it is not community managed or built.
B4RN grows via shares who are acquired by members of each community
(village or town) that wants the network to expand to its area. Each
shareholder has one vote, which means that they directly and via official
processes can influence the strategy of the network (
https://b4rn.org.uk/b4rn-community/investors/).
Also, again according to their website, the network is built mostly by
local volunteers (https://b4rn.org.uk/b4rn-community/volunteers/).
I believe that it would be a good idea for Vasilis to get in touch with
them in his upcoming trip to London and try to see if they have any
interest in the SIG. If not anything else, their sustainable financial
model and best-in-class service offering are things we could all get ideas
from.
Best,
N.
2018-03-12 17:54 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>et>:
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I was thinking, I haven't seen B4RN
mentioned much around the group.
Wouldn't they also be a good candidate member?
So far, our Bylaws have adopted a very minimalistic definition of
Community Networks, which is the one ISOC has used in their documents:
"network infrastructures built, managed, and used by local communities."
I understand B4RN[1], as well as other operators like many in the
FFDN[2] are not Community Networks in the same sense; they are not built
and managed by the community, but by a non-profit entity which is not
governed by the community itself.
Maybe I'm understanding it wrong. I haven't had the chance to meet
people from B4RN so far. Maybe someone else can shed light on this case.
Cheers,
Nico
[1] https://b4rn.org.uk/about-us/
[2] https://www.ffdn.org/en/members-fdn-federation
2018-03-05 15:15 GMT+02:00 bruno vianna
<bruno(a)pobox.com
<mailto:bruno@pobox.com>>:
I realize we're missing the US networks, specially Detroit and NYC
mesh.
I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
funding from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to
the pad.
bruno
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol(a)zenzeleni.net
<mailto:sol@zenzeleni.net>> wrote:
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that
already seem obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in
Nico's last email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council
members to oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an
formal letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think
the letter should be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net
avoid
:
I tend to think we are making an issue out of this, when it
should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer
this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in
Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious"
candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from
SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about
joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about
the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case
regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned
Paul Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider
obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an
over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global
perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in
other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/02/2018 11:09 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for
insisting on
this topic.
From my side this is a source of stress, not being part of
previous
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or
individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the
process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people
from Freifunk
to
join or even to ask why they are not already
requested
themselves to do
so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in
an old debate that I
am not aware of.
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are
soon no
obvious
CNs missing from the list of organizations or at
least if
I understand
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start
working
first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and
perhaps for
others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi Panos and all,
>
> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I
agree on
> inclusion in general, so I do believe some
work in
reaching out is
> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are
some CNs
that have
> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that
seem like
very natural
> participants and they should be integrated
asap.
>
> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach
out to
CNs
> that are perhaps not represented in other
groups and
whose input has
> not been considered before. My point here I
guess is that
we don't
> only end up reaching to the organisations we
all know,
but research
> further to incorporate others more "out
of the loop" -
maybe aiming at
> some regional diversity but mainly to push
ourselves to
go further
>> than the norm.
>>
>> This leads me to another point, which is that we should >
duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not
duplicate we need
> to understand what we are doing and what has
been/ is
being done by
> others. For me one of the first tasks we need
to do
(perhaps within
> the WGs) is to understand what prior
work/efforts are
valuable to our
> work. This may lead in some cases to rather
partner/ have
regular
> meetings with other groups or organisations
than to
integrate everyone
> into this SIG.
>
> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs
that are
> "obvious" candidates which have
requested to be part of
the CNSIG.
> Maybe a council member formally nominates
them and the
council has a
> short period to approve or object. For
further reaching
out, I would
> first aim to create a comprehensive list of
CNs and
groups that are
> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs)
to get a
clear idea of
> what there is/ who is out there and what our
relationship
would be
> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>
> What do you think?
> Sol
>
> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis
<panayotis(a)nethood.org <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>
> <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>>:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding
this issue
and
> Nico
> just reminded me that there were no answers to the
e-mail :-)
>
> So, I am answering!
>
> From my side, the list started by Nico is already
good enough
to start
> contacting and here is a pad to
"add" to the list
(together with a
> very
> draft invitation text):
>
> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
>
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>>
>
> Personally, I know people from the three first
networks, and
I
> could do
> the contact. But I don't really want to take the lead
on
this and
> would
> do it only if asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > During the meeting one of the subjects that was
raised
but we had no
> > time to address is the reach-out
process and
candidates selection.
> >
> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of
the
community
> networks
> > we would like to invite.
> >
> > Considering the Special Interest Group is meant to
be
global, I
> believe
> > it is important to try to keep some regional
balance in
the
> group over time.
> >
> > There were two candidates previously mentioned.
Let's grow this list
> > with the communities we would like
to reach out to.
I'd suggest
> that we
> > also add some contact names for each organization.
> >
> > So, starting the list:
> >
> > - guifi.net <http://guifi.net> <http://guifi.net>
(Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic
Meisel, André
Gaul...)
> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti,
...)
> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava,
Osama
Manzar,
> ...)
> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
> > - ...
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> > NicoEchániz
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>> Bridge 2017
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6:14 p.m.
Hi Nicholas and all, it sounds very promissing indeed.
We can wait for Vasilis report when he comes back, right? And Vasilis,
feel free to put B4RN up to speed with what we are doing here and check
if they feel they would like to be part of the CNSIG.
We sure could learn from their experience in many fronts even if they
don't end up joining the SIG.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/12/2018 02:36 PM, Nicholas Kourtzis wrote:
DearNicolas and all,
According to what I have read on the B4RN website, it may not be
completely accurate that it is not community managed or built.
B4RN grows via shares who are acquired by members of each community
(village or town) that wants the network to expand to its area. Each
shareholder has one vote, which means that they directly and via
official processes can influence the strategy of the network
(https://b4rn.org.uk/b4rn-community/investors/).
Also, again according to their website, the network is built mostly by
local volunteers (https://b4rn.org.uk/b4rn-community/volunteers/).
I believe that it would be a good idea for Vasilis to get in touch with
them in his upcoming trip to London and try to see if they have any
interest in the SIG. If not anything else, their sustainable financial
model and best-in-class service offering are things we could all get
ideas from.
Best,
N.
2018-03-12 17:54 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net
<mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>:
On 03/10/2018 05:56 PM, Nicholas Kourtzis wrote:
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I was thinking, I haven't seen B4RN
mentioned much around the group.
Wouldn't they also be a good candidate member?
So far, our Bylaws have adopted a very minimalistic definition of
Community Networks, which is the one ISOC has used in their documents:
"network infrastructures built, managed, and used by local communities."
I understand B4RN[1], as well as other operators like many in the
FFDN[2] are not Community Networks in the same sense; they are not built
and managed by the community, but by a non-profit entity which is not
governed by the community itself.
Maybe I'm understanding it wrong. I haven't had the chance to meet
people from B4RN so far. Maybe someone else can shed light on this case.
Cheers,
Nico
[1] https://b4rn.org.uk/about-us/
[2] https://www.ffdn.org/en/members-fdn-federation
<https://www.ffdn.org/en/members-fdn-federation>
2018-03-05 15:15 GMT+02:00 bruno vianna
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<mailto:bruno@pobox.com <mailto:bruno@pobox.com>>>:
I realize we're missing the US networks, specially Detroit and NYC mesh.
I don't know if they'd be "obvious" - even though nyc mesh got
funding from ISOC - but I'll look for the contacts and add them to
the pad.
bruno
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol(a)zenzeleni.net
<mailto:sol@zenzeleni.net>
<mailto:sol@zenzeleni.net <mailto:sol@zenzeleni.net>>> wrote:
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that
already seem obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in
Nico's last email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council
members to oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an
formal letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think
the letter should be from the Chair.
I say go for it.
Sol
2018-03-02 22:47 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net
<mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>
<mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net
<mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>>:
I tend to think we are making an issue out of this,
when it
should be
simple, at least for the "obvious" candidates.
We had proposed to ask candidate organizations to answer
this info:
Organization:
Country:
Description:
(Brief description of the Organization's involvement in
Community Networks)
Areas of Interest:
(Areas of interest related to community networks)
Representatives (up to three):
(name <email>)
I believe this is enough info to ask the "obvious"
candidates, so we can
move forward.
I can ask Roger from guifi and Jenny Ryan from
SudoMesh/PeoplesOpen to
send this info vía e-mail. They both already asked about
joining.
I have also started talking with Elektra (Freifunk) about
the CNSIG but
as Panos mentioned there is less clarity in their case
regarding who is
entitled to represent their organization.
I have no direct contact with Funkfeuer (someone mentioned
Paul Fuxjaeger).
I'm also not sure about which other candidates we consider
obvious...
I would also make emphasis in not having an
over-representation of
Europe in the group or we risk losing the global
perspective. We can
make an effort to actively reach out to organizations in
other regions
to try to keep some balance in the group.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/02/2018 11:09 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
> From my side this
is a source of stress, not being
part of
Dear all,
I agree with the points made by Sol and I apologize for
insisting on
> this topic.
previous
that I
efforts and not being clear to me which groups or
individuals were
somehow "responsible" for blocking the
process.
Very practically, I feel for example like asking people
from Freifunk
to
join or even to ask why they are not already
requested
themselves to do
> so, but I am afraid not to "enter" in an old debate am not aware of.
least if
In any case, I would feel more comfortable if there are
soon no
obvious
> CNs missing from the list of organizations or at I understand
is
that
why this is so :-)
But I would also accept to stop worrying and "start
working
first"
having these issues cleared out for me (and
perhaps for
others) along
the way.
Best,
Panos.
On 28.02.2018 23:07, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi Panos and all,
>
> Here are my two cents worth in my personal capacity. I
agree on
> inclusion in general, so I do believe some
work in
reaching out is
> necessary and valuable. Furthermore,there are
some CNs
that have
> already reached out to us, like Gufinet, that
seem like
very natural
> participants and they should be integrated
asap.
>
> On the other hand, I think it will be valuable to reach
out to
CNs
> that are perhaps not represented in other
groups and
whose input has
>> not been considered before. My point here I guess we don't
should
avoid
> only end up reaching to the organisations we
all know,
but research
> further to incorporate others more "out
of the loop" -
maybe aiming at
> some regional diversity but mainly to push
ourselves to
go further
>> than the norm.
>>
>> This leads me to another point, which is that we >
duplicating efforts made by others. In order to not
duplicate we need
> to understand what we are doing and what has
been/ is
being done by
> others. For me one of the first tasks we need
to do
(perhaps within
> the WGs) is to understand what prior
work/efforts are
valuable to our
>> work. This may lead in some cases to rather regular
relationship
> meetings with other groups or organisations
than to
integrate everyone
> into this SIG.
>
> In summary, I would make a lean procedure to accept CNs
that are
> "obvious" candidates which have
requested to be part of
the CNSIG.
> Maybe a council member formally nominates
them and the
council has a
> short period to approve or object. For
further reaching
out, I would
> first aim to create a comprehensive list of
CNs and
groups that are
> relevant to the CNSIG (maybe within the WGs)
to get a
clear idea of
>> what there is/ who is out there and what our would be
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>
> (member of the CNSIG? partner? etc).
>
> What do you think?
> Sol
>
> 2018-02-22 23:35 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis
<panayotis(a)nethood.org <mailto:panayotis@nethood.org> >>
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>>>:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was somehow waiting something to happen regarding
this issue
and
> Nico
> just reminded me that there were no answers to the
e-mail :-)
>
> So, I am answering!
>
> From my side, the list started by Nico is already
good enough
to start
> contacting and here is a pad to
"add" to the list
(together with a
>> very
>> draft invitation text):
>>
>> https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>>
>>
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_reach-out>>>
>
> Personally, I know people from the three first
networks, and
I
>> could do
>> the contact. But I don't really want to take on this and
>>
> Considering the Special Interest Group is
meant to
> would
> do it only if asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Panos.
>
>
>
> On 29.01.2018 20:07, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > > During the meeting one of
the subjects that was
raised but we had no
> > time to address is the reach-out
process and
candidates selection.
>
> > I propose that we create in this thread a list of
the community
>> networks
>> > we would like to invite.
>> be global, I
out
to.
> believe
> > it is important to try to keep some regional
balance in
the
> group over time.
> > > There were two candidates
previously mentioned.
Let's grow this list
>> > with the communities we would like to reach I'd suggest
>> that we
>> > also add some contact names for each
organization.
<http://guifi.net>
<http://guifi.net>
(Roger Baig Viñas, Ramón Roca, ...)
<mailto:Council@lists.cnsig.info>
> > - Freifunk (Elektra Wagenrad, Monic
Meisel, André
Gaul...)
> > - Wlan-slovenia (Luka Mustafa/Musti,
...)
> > - Digital Empowerment Foundation (Ritu Srivastava,
Osama
Manzar,
> ...)
> > - PeoplesOpen/SudoMesh (JennyRyan, ...)
> > - ...
> > > > Cheers!
> > NicoEchániz
> > > > > >
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>> > https://lists.cnsig.info/mailman/listinfo/council
<https://lists.cnsig.info/mailman/listinfo/council>
<https://lists.cnsig.info/mailman/listinfo/council
<https://lists.cnsig.info/mailman/listinfo/council>>
>>
<https://lists.cnsig.info/mailman/listinfo/council
<https://lists.cnsig.info/mailman/listinfo/council>
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14 Mar
14 Mar
11:47 p.m.
New subject: [CNSIG-Council] WG pages on the web site
Hi all,
Thinking loud:
Perhaps to create placeholders on cnsig.info for individual pages of the
different WGs?
As a starting point we could include in these pages the answers to the
questions posed by Sol:
* What would you like the WG to achieve in 2018 (your main objective)?
* What are some of the tasks that you envision undertaking?
* How will you evaluated that you are fulfilling your objective (by
what criteria will the WG monitor/measure its activities)?
It would be also nice perhaps if every WG maintain an index pad to make
it easy for everyone to take a look on the progress and contribute even
if "officially" part of the WG.
I have created a very draft one for the Social Impact WG,
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_impact-wg-index, which is included also
in this pad with memberships: https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_WGs
Best,
Panos.
21 Mar
21 Mar
4:32 p.m.
New subject: [CNSIG-Council] WG pages on the web site
On 03/14/2018 08:47 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Hi all,
Thinking loud:
Perhaps to create placeholders on cnsig.info for individual pages of the
different WGs?
As a starting point we could include in these pages the answers to the
questions posed by Sol:
* What would you like the WG to achieve in 2018 (your main objective)?
* What are some of the tasks that you envision undertaking?
* How will you evaluated that you are fulfilling your objective (by
what criteria will the WG monitor/measure its activities)?
It sounds good Panos.
We need to put a bit of effort into collectively answering those
questions in our working groups first... right?
It would be also nice perhaps if every WG maintain an
index pad to make
it easy for everyone to take a look on the progress and contribute even
if "officially" part of the WG.
I have created a very draft one for the Social Impact WG,
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_impact-wg-index, which is included also
in this pad with memberships: https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_WGs
Good. We also started using one pad for the group activities for the
time being:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_WG_Tech
I think in the near future we will need to move to some other more
organized tool for the CNSIG and WG's work, but pads are an easy way to
start working early.
Cheers!
NicoEchániz
19 Mar
19 Mar
7:20 p.m.
On 03/02/2018 06:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with
the ones are that already
seem obvious (Guifi.net...).
- Nico and Panos please provide the CN's info (as mentioned in Nico's
last email)
- Then send to the council and we give 7 days for council members to
oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN.
- If all questions from the counsil are answered then we send an formal
letter to the CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think the letter
should be from the Chair.
Hi all, I'm copying in this e-mail Monic Meisel's answers to our
"application form" (representing Freifunk)
Two more representatives will be joining the Council, they are deciding who.
Please send any questions in reply to this e-mail. This is one of the "obvious"
candidates we had proposed, so I propose we wait untill Friday and if there's no
formal opposition to their inclusion in the council I'll add them in ISOC's
system and in the council list. Raise your hand if you don't agree!
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
==================================================================
Organization: freifunk.net
Country: Germany
Description:
We build community networks.
Free networks are being set up and maintained by more and more people. Anyone can make
their Wi-Fi router available for data transfer for others, helping to create a free
infrastructure. Every user in the free wireless network provides his or her wireless LAN
router for data transfer to other participants. In return, he or she can also transmit
data, such as text, music and movies through a free internal network or use services setup
by participants to chat, call or play online games. We use mesh networks.
Many also share their internet access and allow others to use it to access the World Wide
Web. Free wireless are DIY-networks. We use our own freifunk firmware a special Linux
distribution, on our WLAN routers.
Local freifunk communities provide software adapted to their own needs and then on their
websites. There are more and more free wireless groups that meet regularly access in
villages and cities. https://freifunk.net/en/how-to-join/find-your-nearest-community/
The freifunk community is part of a global movement for free infrastructure and open
frequencies. Our vision is the democratization of the media through free networks. Free
wireless communities implement this idea worldwide.
What Does Free Wireless Network Mean To Us?
• publicly and anonymously accessible
• non-commercial and uncensored
• decentralized and in the possession of a community
Our Goals
• Educating and creating awareness on the subject of communication and freedom of
information
• Reducing the digital divide
• Unhindered distribution of knowledge and resources
• Empowering people to build and operate their own networks
• Promote and support existing and new social structures
We want to connect neighborhoods, villages and regions to counter the digital divide and
build free, independent network structures, such as unlicensed community radio, broadcast
of local events, private digital swap meets and shared of internet access.
Exchange in the free networks is not based on commercial interests, but on voluntary
giving and taking by each and everyone on the network. This idea is drafted in the
Pico-Peering Agreement.
Many smart people have organized themselves in free network projects, supporting and
helping new campaigners to adapt the software for free.
Areas of Interest:
Advance the field of wireless mesh networking and foster the development of grass-roots
community networks. We contribute to digital freedom rights movement, humanitarian aid,
empowerment of peoples tech/net/media competency and a free and open civil society.
Representatives (up to three)
Monic Meisel (Co-Founder of freifunk.net, Board member Förderverein freie Netzwerke e.V.)
21 Mar
21 Mar
4:07 p.m.
This is guifi.net's application info:
Organization:
guifi.net Foundation
Country:
Catalonia
Description: (Brief description of the Organization's involvement
in Community Networks)
The guifi.net Foundation was created to give a legal entity to the
guifi.net project/community. Its mission is to promote and protect the
free, open and neutral network. It is responsible for operating the
critical services of the guifi.net ecosystem as well as to help
everybody to join and enjoy the network and the community.
Areas of Interest: (Areas of interest related to community
networks)
Sustainability and scalability: licensing, costs management, conflicts
resolution, community engagement, etc.
Representatives (up to three): (name <email>)
Roger Baig Viñas roger.baig(a)guifi.net
Ramon Roca i Tió ramon.roca(a)guifi.net
Roger Pueyo Centelles roger.pueyo(a)guifi.net (to be confirmed)
If anyone has questions for them, please share them here in our list.
I propose that we also wait until this week's end and if there are no
explicit objections then will we welcome guifi and Freifunk to the CNSIG.
Cheers,
NicoEchániz
On 03/19/2018 04:20 PM, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
On 03/02/2018 06:54 PM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Cool guys, let's do this. Let's start with the ones are that
> already seem obvious (Guifi.net...). - Nico and Panos please
> provide the CN's info (as mentioned in Nico's last email) - Then
> send to the council and we give 7 days for council members to
> oppose or ask any questions regarding new CN. - If all questions
> from the counsil are answered then we send an formal letter to the
> CN inviting them into the CNSIG - I think the letter should be from
> the Chair.
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