I personally support a statement against the sale of .org to this private firm. As
Rhizomatica we also take the same position. Against.
Peter
On February 18, 2020 3:34:43 PM GMT-05:00, panayotis antoniadis
<panayotis(a)nethood.org> wrote:
Thanks Nico!
I volunteer to draft a statement, but it would be nice to know in
advance if there is a rough consensus regarding the spirit of such a
statement (against the sale as a whole or at least with the way it has
been managed) and the intention to make it public.
For me this discussion between us is more important than the statement
itself. Do we see this body (the CNSIG) as a means to attract funding
for projects doing the necessary "compromises", or as a means to defend
Internet values as a representative of CNs worldwide?
What I tried to express with my initial e-mail is that I really
understand both views (I have done also my compromises receiving
funding
from EU projects) but personally, at this moment in my life, I am
interested only in the latter. It is not only that I am tired of
compromises but I really think (and feel) that they are not leading
anywhere and that they are damaging my mental health :-)
For the organizational tasks, my general tendency is to step in and
contribute, but this time I think that I am not the right person to
take
a leading role since I don't represent any "real" CN.
In any case, it is for the survival of CNSIG, and if the idea of a more
politically active role is what people want, I could help.
Best,
Panos.
On 18.02.20 17:58, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
Hi Thiago and Panos,
If you would like to draft a statement I believe we can move this
into
an action plan.
I am against the PIR sale, but don't have time to enter the
discussion. I can however support a statement and we can publish it
if
there is majority approval.
On the other hand, we need to address our organizational pending
tasks
or we risk loosing the CNSIG altogether...
please check my previous email on this matter.
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NicoEchániz
On February 18, 2020 8:39:30 AM GMT-03:00, panayotis antoniadis
<panayotis(a)nethood.org> wrote:
Dear all,
My personal opinion is that it is important as CNSIG to take a
position
https://www.isoc.cat/isoc/pir-org-internet-society-ethos-capital-isoc-cat-p…
CNs is a really delicate concept, with the line between
empowering
communities and exploiting them very thin.
And exactly because CNs are used as an excuse in this debate, I
think it
is a matter of credibility for CNSIG to act
as representative for
CNs
all over the world to take a position based
on values and not
financial
returns.
But if the majority here thinks that "real politiks" is the best
strategy, I understand and I would simply exclude myself from
this group.
The truth is that my stakes are much lower than most of the
people here,
since the only very small CN I helped to
create, the network in
Exarchia
Athens offering access to refugee squats in
the neighbourhood, is
not
existent any more (all squats have been
evacuated by the police).
So, I really understand that people are afraid to loose critical
support
for their projects and it is not a
coincidence that it is mostly
EU
chapters that have publicly opposed the .ORG
sale.
But life is full of hard choices, and I have made mine even if in
a more
"comfortable" position than others
(but not sure for how long):
Dignity
is more important, and more healthy, than
dirty money :-)
Best,
Panos.
On 07.12.19 20:40, novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
Hi Panos, all Great to hear from you! Personally, I think
this
decision is a disaster for the Internet
in general, not only
for the "reputation" of ISOC. If CNSIG would like to take a
position, maybe it's time to do it now (even though it would
mean not really much in the process in my opinion). I vote
against selling a common good to Ethos Capital. My aim was to
advise that ISOC is using CN as an excuse, and we should be
aware of it. Besides the advice, as a SIG inside ISOC, real
politiks could be useful for the development of CN; if not
now, in the near future, CNSIG could play an important role
in
demanding programs and funds based on
ISOC own public
discourse, that's all. On 2019-12-07 15:28, panayotis
antoniadis wrote:
Hi all, Just to say that I am involved in this debate
through the ISOC Switzerland Chapter, which has joined
the
"opposition" to this
decision together with a few other
chapters, especially because of the non-transparent way
that this was made. My opinion is that independently from
the decision making process, this is a bad development
that can harm significantly the reputation of ISOC. I am
not sure if it is still possible to stop it, but I don't
feel like "building on it", at least not at this stage.
For now I would ask if the CNSIG would be willing to take
actually a position on the selling of .org to a private
firm. Btw, the Swiss chapter recently received the news
that we got a Beyond the Net Grant to run a platform (a
monthly gathering in NetHood's new space in Zurich,
http://langstrasse200.ch/) for "digital self-defense" in
collaboration with different organizations including the
pep.foundation, CCC Switzerland, the University of Zurich
and more. Best, Panos. On 05.12.19 23:20,
novaes(a)riseup.net wrote:
Dear Colleagues, You're probably aware of the fact
that ISOC sold .org to Ethos Capital (I was just
reading the transcript):
https://higherlogicdownload.s3.amazonaws.com/INTERNETSOCIETY/9326b863-2164-…)
What seems relevant for CNSIG is
that one of the
arguments used to justify the transaction was
"connecting the unconnected": "Gonzalo Camarillo: So
this actually allows us to fulfill the mission, which
I think has been stated several times. It's very wide
and when it comes, for example, with connecting the
unconnected, we are talking about like 4 billion
people that could be basically positively affected
with this". (p.26) Maybe it would be opportune for
the
CNSIG to organize it better in
order to demand
funds/programs more specifically designed to CN goals
(I take this moment to congratulate Sarantaporo!).
What do you think? all best, Thiago
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