13 Apr
2018
13 Apr
'18
2:06 a.m.
Hi Fellows,
The BeyondTheNet Medium and Large Projects call is open till 2018-05-15
, so we have aproximately one month to present proposals, both at the
local chapters and as a SIG:
https://internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/medium-large-scale-projects/
25 projects out of ~200 projects were accepted last year based on
estimations done using the data here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/
And of those, 7 were about CN related topics.
Access and Development is one of the key areas for this call, and this
makes projects associated with Community Networks of special interest,
and of course the other key areas: Standards, Policy and Enabling
sustainable development.
Discussing with NicoE we see that this a big opportunity for us as
Group of CNs speaking by themselves:
* a chance for all of us to get an important push by this fund
* an opportunity for the CNSIG to show that we represent the interests
of the Communities, and to help the Local Chapters acknowledge and
validate this representation
* the chance to coordinate efforts among ourselves to augment our
chance to do impact
* a way for us to speak strongly about what are our needs and our way
of dealing with them
For that, would like to propose:
* let each other know who wants to participate and on what you might be
interested in participating
* if possible, work together on common areas
* split projects in network deployment kickstart/scaling and local
capacity building projects (more tightly coupled to a Chapter), and
technology development projects (more associated to a collective
benefit, would say to the whole SIG).
* do endorcement letters for all projects that came from members of the
cnsig
* announce in the cnsig.info page the projects that have been submitted
What do you think?
Also, would like to send this Questions to ask to Beyond The Net fund
(Ilda I guesS):
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be approved
for each chapter/SIG? This will allow us to strategize properly how to
ask for the funds.
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be approved
for each Focus Area (CN, Standards, Policy, Sustainability) per
Chapter/SIG? That will allow us to push the idea that CNSIG endorsed
projects should be approved.
* Can global actors work together in proposals and present them in
different regions for applying them in their respective regions? That
will allow us to write proposals together instead of individually, and
do a collective plan that has local implementation.
Regards,
FYI The list of presented projects, and rejection/approval, can be seen
here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/applications/
Apparently only June-2017 were loaded there.
29 Apr
29 Apr
8:33 p.m.
Hi all,
Were there any news regarding the BeyondTheNet grant application?
Personally I would be willing to contribute to a "CNSIG-wide"
application which could be used as a "template" from local chapters and
also other possible opportunities for funding in the future. Such a
template could be actually a nice contribution of the CNSIG.
For this, I will be available the week of the battle of the mesh, May
7-13 (from May 7-9 I will be at home on my computer) and in Berlin we
could perhaps discuss some of the points with the CNSIGers face-to-face.
Here is a pad to organize the work :-)
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net
Perhaps to add on the top of the pad the names of those interested and
create a smaller e-mail list to coordinate?
Best,
Panos.
On 13.04.2018 04:06, Nicolas Pace wrote:
Hi Fellows,
The BeyondTheNet Medium and Large Projects call is open till 2018-05-15
, so we have aproximately one month to present proposals, both at the
local chapters and as a SIG:
https://internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/medium-large-scale-projects/
25 projects out of ~200 projects were accepted last year based on
estimations done using the data here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/
And of those, 7 were about CN related topics.
Access and Development is one of the key areas for this call, and this
makes projects associated with Community Networks of special interest,
and of course the other key areas: Standards, Policy and Enabling
sustainable development.
Discussing with NicoE we see that this a big opportunity for us as
Group of CNs speaking by themselves:
* a chance for all of us to get an important push by this fund
* an opportunity for the CNSIG to show that we represent the interests
of the Communities, and to help the Local Chapters acknowledge and
validate this representation
* the chance to coordinate efforts among ourselves to augment our
chance to do impact
* a way for us to speak strongly about what are our needs and our way
of dealing with them
For that, would like to propose:
* let each other know who wants to participate and on what you might be
interested in participating
* if possible, work together on common areas
* split projects in network deployment kickstart/scaling and local
capacity building projects (more tightly coupled to a Chapter), and
technology development projects (more associated to a collective
benefit, would say to the whole SIG).
* do endorcement letters for all projects that came from members of the
cnsig
* announce in the cnsig.info page the projects that have been submitted
What do you think?
Also, would like to send this Questions to ask to Beyond The Net fund
(Ilda I guesS):
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be approved
for each chapter/SIG? This will allow us to strategize properly how to
ask for the funds.
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be approved
for each Focus Area (CN, Standards, Policy, Sustainability) per
Chapter/SIG? That will allow us to push the idea that CNSIG endorsed
projects should be approved.
* Can global actors work together in proposals and present them in
different regions for applying them in their respective regions? That
will allow us to write proposals together instead of individually, and
do a collective plan that has local implementation.
Regards,
FYI The list of presented projects, and rejection/approval, can be seen
here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/applications/
Apparently only June-2017 were loaded there.
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3 May
3 May
12:15 p.m.
Hi all,
Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity and I agree
with your framework. Also related, Nico E and I had a meeting with two of
the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in ISOC - Kyle and Christine. Summarising
and answering some of the queries posed by Nico P; they said that each
Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants. What I understood is that SIGs
are considered global groups and therefore projects should deal with
transnational/ transregional issues (where Chapter have more regional
focus). They also mentioned that while the grants are awarded to the SIG
there is a choice of who participates - meaning either all organisations
participate, or only those who are interested. We also need to keep in mind
that the grant application closes on the 15th May, so we need to act
quickly if we want to use this opportunity.
In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I think if we
had the means to spend time in understanding each other's organisations and
our practices better we would learn a lot. I mean a more long term, funded
exchange, where maybe we can visit each other and learn on site. I have
spoken to many of you and each time I learn something new and applicable to
solve an issue we have. These conversations however are usually rushed,
over email or over coffee at a Summit. I think we could propose an exchange
program between CNs, and then highlight a few key issues (I propose one
below) that we can address and create some sort of outcome with (Best
practices?Golden tips?Benefits of CNs?).
2) in term of topics to discuss (or exchange experience on) I am personally
very interested in the issues/challenges of creating a just governance
structure (and business structure) that is sustainable and people-centred.
In our South African context the "just" refers specifically to the
inequality that permeates South Africa's social-economic context, but I
think its also relevant to all CNs. Its about finding practical, sound ways
to practice as organisations that are more people-centred, and that
eventually dont depend on grants.
Who's keen?
If you are keen please send a message and Ill set up a doodle so we can
meet and make a proposal.
Cheers,
Sol
2018-04-29 22:33 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis(a)nethood.org>rg>:
Hi all,
Were there any news regarding the BeyondTheNet grant application?
Personally I would be willing to contribute to a "CNSIG-wide"
application which could be used as a "template" from local chapters and
also other possible opportunities for funding in the future. Such a
template could be actually a nice contribution of the CNSIG.
For this, I will be available the week of the battle of the mesh, May
7-13 (from May 7-9 I will be at home on my computer) and in Berlin we
could perhaps discuss some of the points with the CNSIGers face-to-face.
Here is a pad to organize the work :-)
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net
Perhaps to add on the top of the pad the names of those interested and
create a smaller e-mail list to coordinate?
Best,
Panos.
On 13.04.2018 04:06, Nicolas Pace wrote:
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Hi Fellows,
The BeyondTheNet Medium and Large Projects call is open till 2018-05-15
, so we have aproximately one month to present proposals, both at the
local chapters and as a SIG:
https://internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/medium-large-scale-projects/
25 projects out of ~200 projects were accepted last year based on
estimations done using the data here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/
And of those, 7 were about CN related topics.
Access and Development is one of the key areas for this call, and this
makes projects associated with Community Networks of special interest,
and of course the other key areas: Standards, Policy and Enabling
sustainable development.
Discussing with NicoE we see that this a big opportunity for us as
Group of CNs speaking by themselves:
* a chance for all of us to get an important push by this fund
* an opportunity for the CNSIG to show that we represent the interests
of the Communities, and to help the Local Chapters acknowledge and
validate this representation
* the chance to coordinate efforts among ourselves to augment our
chance to do impact
* a way for us to speak strongly about what are our needs and our way
of dealing with them
For that, would like to propose:
* let each other know who wants to participate and on what you might be
interested in participating
* if possible, work together on common areas
* split projects in network deployment kickstart/scaling and local
capacity building projects (more tightly coupled to a Chapter), and
technology development projects (more associated to a collective
benefit, would say to the whole SIG).
* do endorcement letters for all projects that came from members of the
cnsig
* announce in the cnsig.info page the projects that have been submitted
What do you think?
Also, would like to send this Questions to ask to Beyond The Net fund
(Ilda I guesS):
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be approved
for each chapter/SIG? This will allow us to strategize properly how to
ask for the funds.
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be approved
for each Focus Area (CN, Standards, Policy, Sustainability) per
Chapter/SIG? That will allow us to push the idea that CNSIG endorsed
projects should be approved.
* Can global actors work together in proposals and present them in
different regions for applying them in their respective regions? That
will allow us to write proposals together instead of individually, and
do a collective plan that has local implementation.
Regards,
FYI The list of presented projects, and rejection/approval, can be seen
here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/applications/
Apparently only June-2017 were loaded there.
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8:20 p.m.
Thanks all for the initiative. We keen. Strengthen exchange of
experiences and links between transnational/transregional in the way you
describe, sounds excellent. I'm not thinking only on on the value for
reusing experiences, but also developing personal cross-relationships in
a way that motivates the community contributors.
We have to find out ways to promote this yes or yes.
At the Panos pad, I'm just thinking how we can contribute, in particular
to the 2nd point.
But maybe now it's time for writing the proposal for a grant?
r.
El 03/05/18 a les 14:15, Sol Luca de Tena ha escrit:
Hi all,
Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity and I
agree with your framework. Also related, Nico E and I had a meeting
with two of the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in ISOC - Kyle and
Christine. Summarising and answering some of the queries posed by Nico
P; they said that each Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants.
What I understood is that SIGs are considered global groups and
therefore projects should deal with transnational/ transregional
issues (where Chapter have more regional focus). They also mentioned
that while the grants are awarded to the SIG there is a choice of who
participates - meaning either all organisations participate, or only
those who are interested. We also need to keep in mind that the grant
application closes on the 15th May, so we need to act quickly if we
want to use this opportunity.
In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I think if
we had the means to spend time in understanding each other's
organisations and our practices better we would learn a lot. I mean a
more long term, funded exchange, where maybe we can visit each other
and learn on site. I have spoken to many of you and each time I learn
something new and applicable to solve an issue we have. These
conversations however are usually rushed, over email or over coffee at
a Summit. I think we could propose an exchange program between CNs,
and then highlight a few key issues (I propose one below) that we can
address and create some sort of outcome with (Best practices?Golden
tips?Benefits of CNs?).
2) in term of topics to discuss (or exchange experience on) I am
personally very interested in the issues/challenges of creating a just
governance structure (and business structure) that is sustainable and
people-centred. In our South African context the "just" refers
specifically to the inequality that permeates South Africa's
social-economic context, but I think its also relevant to all CNs. Its
about finding practical, sound ways to practice as organisations that
are more people-centred, and that eventually dont depend on grants.
Who's keen?
If you are keen please send a message and Ill set up a doodle so we
can meet and make a proposal.
Cheers,
Sol
2018-04-29 22:33 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis(a)nethood.org
<mailto:panayotis@nethood.org>>:
Hi all,
Were there any news regarding the BeyondTheNet grant application?
Personally I would be willing to contribute to a "CNSIG-wide"
application which could be used as a "template" from local
chapters and
also other possible opportunities for funding in the future. Such a
template could be actually a nice contribution of the CNSIG.
For this, I will be available the week of the battle of the mesh, May
7-13 (from May 7-9 I will be at home on my computer) and in Berlin we
could perhaps discuss some of the points with the CNSIGers
face-to-face.
Here is a pad to organize the work :-)
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net>
Perhaps to add on the top of the pad the names of those interested and
create a smaller e-mail list to coordinate?
Best,
Panos.
On 13.04.2018 04:06, Nicolas Pace wrote:
Hi Fellows,
The BeyondTheNet Medium and Large Projects call is open till
2018-05-15
, so we have aproximately one month to present
proposals, both
at the
local chapters and as a SIG:
https://internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/medium-large-scale-projects/
<https://internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/medium-large-scale-projects/>
25 projects out of ~200 projects were accepted last year based on
estimations done using the data here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/
<https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/>
And of those, 7 were about CN related topics.
Access and Development is one of the key areas for this call,
and this
makes projects associated with Community Networks
of special
interest,
and of course the other key areas: Standards,
Policy and Enabling
sustainable development.
Discussing with NicoE we see that this a big opportunity for us as
Group of CNs speaking by themselves:
* a chance for all of us to get an important push by this fund
* an opportunity for the CNSIG to show that we represent the
interests
of the Communities, and to help the Local
Chapters acknowledge and
validate this representation
* the chance to coordinate efforts among ourselves to augment our
chance to do impact
* a way for us to speak strongly about what are our needs and
our way
of dealing with them
For that, would like to propose:
* let each other know who wants to participate and on what you
might be
interested in participating
* if possible, work together on common areas
* split projects in network deployment kickstart/scaling and local
capacity building projects (more tightly coupled to a Chapter), and
technology development projects (more associated to a collective
benefit, would say to the whole SIG).
* do endorcement letters for all projects that came from members
of the
cnsig
* announce in the cnsig.info <http://cnsig.info> page the
projects that
have been submitted
What do you think?
Also, would like to send this Questions to ask to Beyond The Net
fund
(Ilda I guesS):
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be
approved
for each chapter/SIG? This will allow us to
strategize properly
how to
ask for the funds.
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be
approved
for each Focus Area (CN, Standards, Policy,
Sustainability) per
Chapter/SIG? That will allow us to push the idea that CNSIG endorsed
projects should be approved.
* Can global actors work together in proposals and present them in
different regions for applying them in their respective regions?
That
will allow us to write proposals together instead
of
individually, and
do a collective plan that has local
implementation.
Regards,
FYI The list of presented projects, and rejection/approval, can
be seen
here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/applications/
<https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/applications/>
Apparently only June-2017 were loaded there.
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9:16 p.m.
I think it is a very good idea, relevant to the call and we could
definitely add value from spending some quality, in-context time exchanging
views, tackling challenges and generating ideas for our CNs. (mostly
interested in social added value myself).
We keen too!
V.
2018-05-03 23:20 GMT+03:00 Ramon Roca <ramon.roca(a)guifi.net>et>:
Thanks all for the initiative. We keen. Strengthen
exchange of experiences
and links between transnational/transregional in the way you describe,
sounds excellent. I'm not thinking only on on the value for reusing
experiences, but also developing personal cross-relationships in a way that
motivates the community contributors.
We have to find out ways to promote this yes or yes.
At the Panos pad, I'm just thinking how we can contribute, in particular
to the 2nd point.
But maybe now it's time for writing the proposal for a grant?
r.
El 03/05/18 a les 14:15, Sol Luca de Tena ha escrit:
Hi all,
Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity and I agree
with your framework. Also related, Nico E and I had a meeting with two of
the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in ISOC - Kyle and Christine. Summarising
and answering some of the queries posed by Nico P; they said that each
Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants. What I understood is that SIGs
are considered global groups and therefore projects should deal with
transnational/ transregional issues (where Chapter have more regional
focus). They also mentioned that while the grants are awarded to the SIG
there is a choice of who participates - meaning either all organisations
participate, or only those who are interested. We also need to keep in mind
that the grant application closes on the 15th May, so we need to act
quickly if we want to use this opportunity.
In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I think if we
had the means to spend time in understanding each other's organisations and
our practices better we would learn a lot. I mean a more long term, funded
exchange, where maybe we can visit each other and learn on site. I have
spoken to many of you and each time I learn something new and applicable to
solve an issue we have. These conversations however are usually rushed,
over email or over coffee at a Summit. I think we could propose an exchange
program between CNs, and then highlight a few key issues (I propose one
below) that we can address and create some sort of outcome with (Best
practices?Golden tips?Benefits of CNs?).
2) in term of topics to discuss (or exchange experience on) I am
personally very interested in the issues/challenges of creating a just
governance structure (and business structure) that is sustainable and
people-centred. In our South African context the "just" refers specifically
to the inequality that permeates South Africa's social-economic context,
but I think its also relevant to all CNs. Its about finding practical,
sound ways to practice as organisations that are more people-centred, and
that eventually dont depend on grants.
Who's keen?
If you are keen please send a message and Ill set up a doodle so we can
meet and make a proposal.
Cheers,
Sol
2018-04-29 22:33 GMT+02:00 panayotis antoniadis <panayotis(a)nethood.org>rg>:
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Hi all,
Were there any news regarding the BeyondTheNet grant application?
Personally I would be willing to contribute to a "CNSIG-wide"
application which could be used as a "template" from local chapters and
also other possible opportunities for funding in the future. Such a
template could be actually a nice contribution of the CNSIG.
For this, I will be available the week of the battle of the mesh, May
7-13 (from May 7-9 I will be at home on my computer) and in Berlin we
could perhaps discuss some of the points with the CNSIGers face-to-face.
Here is a pad to organize the work :-)
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net
Perhaps to add on the top of the pad the names of those interested and
create a smaller e-mail list to coordinate?
Best,
Panos.
On 13.04.2018 04:06, Nicolas Pace wrote:
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Hi Fellows,
The BeyondTheNet Medium and Large Projects call is open till 2018-05-15
, so we have aproximately one month to present proposals, both at the
local chapters and as a SIG:
https://internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/medium-large-scale-projects/
25 projects out of ~200 projects were accepted last year based on
estimations done using the data here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/
And of those, 7 were about CN related topics.
Access and Development is one of the key areas for this call, and this
makes projects associated with Community Networks of special interest,
and of course the other key areas: Standards, Policy and Enabling
sustainable development.
Discussing with NicoE we see that this a big opportunity for us as
Group of CNs speaking by themselves:
* a chance for all of us to get an important push by this fund
* an opportunity for the CNSIG to show that we represent the interests
of the Communities, and to help the Local Chapters acknowledge and
validate this representation
* the chance to coordinate efforts among ourselves to augment our
chance to do impact
* a way for us to speak strongly about what are our needs and our way
of dealing with them
For that, would like to propose:
* let each other know who wants to participate and on what you might be
interested in participating
* if possible, work together on common areas
* split projects in network deployment kickstart/scaling and local
capacity building projects (more tightly coupled to a Chapter), and
technology development projects (more associated to a collective
benefit, would say to the whole SIG).
* do endorcement letters for all projects that came from members of the
cnsig
* announce in the cnsig.info page the projects that have been submitted
What do you think?
Also, would like to send this Questions to ask to Beyond The Net fund
(Ilda I guesS):
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be approved
for each chapter/SIG? This will allow us to strategize properly how to
ask for the funds.
* Is there a minimum or maximum amount of projects going to be approved
for each Focus Area (CN, Standards, Policy, Sustainability) per
Chapter/SIG? That will allow us to push the idea that CNSIG endorsed
projects should be approved.
* Can global actors work together in proposals and present them in
different regions for applying them in their respective regions? That
will allow us to write proposals together instead of individually, and
do a collective plan that has local implementation.
Regards,
FYI The list of presented projects, and rejection/approval, can be seen
here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/beyond-the-net/grants/applications/
Apparently only June-2017 were loaded there.
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9:19 p.m.
Hi all,
On 03.05.2018 22:20, Ramon Roca wrote:
I'm not thinking only on on the value for reusing
experiences, but
also developing personal cross-relationships in a way that motivates
the community contributors.
Regarding this point by Ramon I would like to inform you that with the
Sarantaporo.gr NPO we organize a "regional" conference in Sarantaporo on
July 6-8th with the support of the netCommons project.
For now we try to do more "targeted" invitations and we have not shared
this publicly but I think that all people in this list would be very
welcome to join anyway and perhaps know relevant people that would be
interested (unfortunately we don't have funding to cover travel expenses
but for special cases we could try to offer free participation
"subsidized" by the fees paid by those with available funding).
Ideally, such regional conferences could become part of a "series" which
could be organized in a way to contribute to a common pool of knowledge
and experiences. A possible "beyond the net" project could be
responsible to structure this information and also fund the organization
of such events including the participation of "local" actors with no
funding otherwise.
Here is a first draft of the invitation text:
On July 7-8th researchers, practitioners, and key actors in the
development of Community Networks around the world will visit one of the
success stories of this movement in Greece, the Sarantaporo.gr Community
Network, for a 2-day workshop organized by the netCommons project and
the Sarantaporo.gr Non-Profit Organization.
Organizing gatherings and workshops where the real action takes place is
important for all parties involved. The local community feels
recognition and empowerment, and realizes the importance of their
endeavor at a global scale.
The people working on the global technical, social, economic, and
political challenges that these networks face get the opportunity to
progress their agenda in an environment that is full of information on
how things work on the ground, but also full of inspiration and
motivation being in contact with the people's particular stories related
to their CN.
The Sarantaporo.gr CN being located close to the highest and most
popular greek mountain, the mount Olympos, offers also a great
opportunity for informal discussions and socialization in nature, a
collaboration experience that can prove much more productive than
airconditioned rooms and powerpoint presentations, both in the short and
in the long term.
Please express your willingness to participate by sending an e-mail to
panayotis(a)nethood.org (maximum number of participants is 30). More
details for the organization of the event are made available here (and
will be updated soon):
https://etherpad.netcommons.eu/p/sarantaporo-july-conference
Note that no travel expenses will be covered by the organizers, and
there will be a registration fee at the range of 250-300EUR depending on
the actual costs, which will cover accommodation, transport from Athens
or Thessaloniki (if arrival/departure times fit the planned transport),
and most meals.
Note also that you might need to arrange your travel to arrive on the
6th and leave on the 9th, and that on the 9th there is another public
event being organized in Athens (at the Impact Hub).
Current Participant List
George Klissiaris, Sarantaporo.gr
Achileas Vaitsis, Sarantaporo.gr
Vassilis Chrysos, Sarantaporo.gr
Panayotis Antoniadis, NetHood
Alexandros Papageorgiou, NetHood
Ileana Apostol, NetHood
Aris Pilihos, Athens University of Economics and Business
Leonardo Maccari, University of Trento
Renato Lo Cigno, University of Trento
Virginie Aubree, University of Trento
Felix Treguer, CNRS
Leandro Navarro, UPC
Steve Song, Village Telco
Adam Burns, Free2Air
Juergen Neumann, Freifunk.net
Jane Coffin, ISOC
5 May
5 May
5:25 a.m.
On 05/03/2018 09:15 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity and I agree
with your framework. Also related, Nico E and I had a meeting with two
of the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in ISOC - Kyle and Christine.
Summarising and answering some of the queries posed by Nico P; they said
that each Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants.
Kyle from ISOC has confirmed that only one slot (big grant) will be
assigned to the SIG. So I think we must decide for what's our project
with most potential impact and just present that one.
He mentioned that we could also get one small grant slot, so maybe we
can think about something for that too.
What I understood
is that SIGs are considered global groups and therefore projects should
deal with transnational/ transregional issues (where Chapter have more
regional focus). They also mentioned that while the grants are awarded
to the SIG there is a choice of who participates - meaning either all
organisations participate, or only those who are interested. We also
need to keep in mind that the grant application closes on the 15th May,
so we need to act quickly if we want to use this opportunity.
The call for proposals will be extended untill May 29, so we have a bit
more time, but we still need to work on this.
Regarding the "transnationality" of the proposal, I think that
presenting a proposal that is signed by every organization that is part
of the CNSIG will send a very strong signal regarding our will to
collaborate in our path forward.
In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I think if we
had the means to spend time in understanding each other's organisations
and our practices better we would learn a lot. I mean a more long term,
funded exchange, where maybe we can visit each other and learn on site.
I have spoken to many of you and each time I learn something new and
applicable to solve an issue we have. These conversations however are
usually rushed, over email or over coffee at a Summit. I think we could
propose an exchange program between CNs, and then highlight a few key
issues (I propose one below) that we can address and create some sort of
outcome with (Best practices?Golden tips?Benefits of CNs?).
I completely agree
that this is crucial, and most of all at this time
when we are just trying to get this group to open it's wings :)
I'd say we can propose to have a global Community Networks Summit which can:
- be hosted in a location in the global South
- have a duration of at least 5 days
- be organized with no waste of resources (no hotels, restaurants, etc.)
Many of our members are also APC members so they could apply for METF
funding to cover their flight costs and that would add to the BTN's 30K
budget.
A specific offer I'd like to mention: here in Quintana we have a bing
boarding school which has room/lodging for about 100 children that live
there during the school year and then it's empty during our summer. The
school is part of QuintanaLibre and the school principal, who is also
personally a member, has already agreed to offer the school for
community network related events during the summer. Accomodation and
food (in the school's diner, would be very affordable.
So... those are some ideas :) of course nothing's set in stone! just
sharing...
Sol, should we do a poll to pick a date and do a Mumble meeting to
brainstorm and begin preparing a project?
Cheers!
Nico
9:09 a.m.
Hi all, this sounds great.. I've written on Panos' pad (
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net). On another hand I think we
should aim to* finalise our scope *by end of next week. Ill send out a
doodle for meeting times.
Thanks peeps
Sol
2018-05-05 7:25 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>et>:
On 05/03/2018 09:15 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
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Hi all,
Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity and I agree
with your framework. Also related, Nico E and I had a meeting with two
of the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in ISOC - Kyle and Christine.
Summarising and answering some of the queries posed by Nico P; they said
that each Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants.
Kyle from ISOC has confirmed that only one slot (big grant) will be
assigned to the SIG. So I think we must decide for what's our project
with most potential impact and just present that one.
He mentioned that we could also get one small grant slot, so maybe we
can think about something for that too.
What I understood
is that SIGs are considered global groups and therefore projects should
deal with transnational/ transregional issues (where Chapter have more
regional focus). They also mentioned that while the grants are awarded
to the SIG there is a choice of who participates - meaning either all
organisations participate, or only those who are interested. We also
need to keep in mind that the grant application closes on the 15th May,
so we need to act quickly if we want to use this opportunity.
The call for proposals will be extended untill May 29, so we have a bit
more time, but we still need to work on this.
Regarding the "transnationality" of the proposal, I think that
presenting a proposal that is signed by every organization that is part
of the CNSIG will send a very strong signal regarding our will to
collaborate in our path forward.
In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I think if we
had the means to spend time in understanding each other's organisations
and our practices better we would learn a lot. I mean a more long term,
funded exchange, where maybe we can visit each other and learn on site.
I have spoken to many of you and each time I learn something new and
applicable to solve an issue we have. These conversations however are
usually rushed, over email or over coffee at a Summit. I think we could
propose an exchange program between CNs, and then highlight a few key
issues (I propose one below) that we can address and create some sort of
outcome with (Best practices?Golden tips?Benefits of CNs?).
I completely agree
that this is crucial, and most of all at this time
when we are just trying to get this group to open it's wings :)
I'd say we can propose to have a global Community Networks Summit which
can:
- be hosted in a location in the global South
- have a duration of at least 5 days
- be organized with no waste of resources (no hotels, restaurants, etc.)
Many of our members are also APC members so they could apply for METF
funding to cover their flight costs and that would add to the BTN's 30K
budget.
A specific offer I'd like to mention: here in Quintana we have a bing
boarding school which has room/lodging for about 100 children that live
there during the school year and then it's empty during our summer. The
school is part of QuintanaLibre and the school principal, who is also
personally a member, has already agreed to offer the school for
community network related events during the summer. Accomodation and
food (in the school's diner, would be very affordable.
So... those are some ideas :) of course nothing's set in stone! just
sharing...
Sol, should we do a poll to pick a date and do a Mumble meeting to
brainstorm and begin preparing a project?
Cheers!
Nico
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12:45 p.m.
Dear All
Sorry for being silent for so long. There is a reason behind this and hope
all of the council members would agree for this reason. I got married in
March and take two months to bring my life to normal. I am going through
all the emails. Seems like this mail thread requires immediate action. I
would like to contribute to BeyondTheNet project. I can work on the network
deployment part as it is always been my area of interest and expertise from
the last few years.
Kindly count me in for the same.
Thanks and Regards
Jaspreet Singh
With Regards
Jaspreet Singh
Sr. Project Engineer
IIT Bombay
+91 98963 89883
On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Sol Luca de Tena <sol(a)zenzeleni.net> wrote:
Hi all, this sounds great.. I've written on
Panos' pad (
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net). On another hand I think
we should aim to* finalise our scope *by end of next week. Ill send out a
doodle for meeting times.
Thanks peeps
Sol
2018-05-05 7:25 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>et>:
On 05/03/2018 09:15 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
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Hi all,
Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity and I agree
with your framework. Also related, Nico E and I had a meeting with two
of the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in ISOC - Kyle and Christine.
Summarising and answering some of the queries posed by Nico P; they said
that each Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants.
Kyle from ISOC has confirmed that only one slot (big grant) will be
assigned to the SIG. So I think we must decide for what's our project
with most potential impact and just present that one.
He mentioned that we could also get one small grant slot, so maybe we
can think about something for that too.
What I understood
is that SIGs are considered global groups and therefore projects should
deal with transnational/ transregional issues (where Chapter have more
regional focus). They also mentioned that while the grants are awarded
to the SIG there is a choice of who participates - meaning either all
organisations participate, or only those who are interested. We also
need to keep in mind that the grant application closes on the 15th May,
so we need to act quickly if we want to use this opportunity.
The call for proposals will be extended untill May 29, so we have a bit
more time, but we still need to work on this.
Regarding the "transnationality" of the proposal, I think that
presenting a proposal that is signed by every organization that is part
of the CNSIG will send a very strong signal regarding our will to
collaborate in our path forward.
In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I think if we
had the means to spend time in understanding each other's organisations
and our practices better we would learn a lot. I mean a more long term,
funded exchange, where maybe we can visit each other and learn on site.
I have spoken to many of you and each time I learn something new and
applicable to solve an issue we have. These conversations however are
usually rushed, over email or over coffee at a Summit. I think we could
propose an exchange program between CNs, and then highlight a few key
issues (I propose one below) that we can address and create some sort of
outcome with (Best practices?Golden tips?Benefits of CNs?).
I completely agree
that this is crucial, and most of all at this time
when we are just trying to get this group to open it's wings :)
I'd say we can propose to have a global Community Networks Summit which
can:
- be hosted in a location in the global South
- have a duration of at least 5 days
- be organized with no waste of resources (no hotels, restaurants, etc.)
Many of our members are also APC members so they could apply for METF
funding to cover their flight costs and that would add to the BTN's 30K
budget.
A specific offer I'd like to mention: here in Quintana we have a bing
boarding school which has room/lodging for about 100 children that live
there during the school year and then it's empty during our summer. The
school is part of QuintanaLibre and the school principal, who is also
personally a member, has already agreed to offer the school for
community network related events during the summer. Accomodation and
food (in the school's diner, would be very affordable.
So... those are some ideas :) of course nothing's set in stone! just
sharing...
Sol, should we do a poll to pick a date and do a Mumble meeting to
brainstorm and begin preparing a project?
Cheers!
Nico
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8 May
6:28 a.m.
OK, I've been doing some inquiries to avoid working in vane and it turns
out that BTN money cannot be used for events like the one we are
planning to organize.
But it's not bad news really... Christian O'Flaherty (ISOC) just told me
that ISOC can support a regional meeting in Latin America this year,
outside of the BTN program, with ISOC budget and then during 2019 ISOC
can support a global summit.
This means that we wouldn't be competing for budget, but we would need
to agree with ISOC on the planning of the event. Christian told me they
would like to invite Government, regulators, private companies, etc...
to which I answered that my impression is that we CNSIG would like to
have a meeting that is more work-centered, but it would be great to host
a 1 day event (maybe the last day of the summit) where we can receive
all these stakeholders and invite the general public too.
Let me know what you all think of this developments...
And this also means that we need to think of other projects to present
for a large and medium BTN grant this year from the CNSIG.
Cheers,
Nico
On 05/05/2018 06:09 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
Hi all, this sounds great.. I've written on
Panos' pad
(https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net). On another hand I
think we should aim to_finalise our scope _by end of next week. Ill send
out a doodle for meeting times.
Thanks peeps
Sol
*
*
2018-05-05 7:25 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net
<mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>:
On 05/03/2018 09:15 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity and I agree
with your framework. Also related, Nico E and I had a meeting with two
of the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in ISOC - Kyle and Christine.
Summarising and answering some of the queries posed by Nico P; they said
that each Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants.
Kyle from ISOC has confirmed that only one slot (big grant) will be
assigned to the SIG. So I think we must decide for what's our project
with most potential impact and just present that one.
He mentioned that we could also get one small grant slot, so maybe we
can think about something for that too.
What I understood
is that SIGs are considered global groups and therefore projects should
deal with transnational/ transregional issues (where Chapter have more
regional focus). They also mentioned that while the grants are awarded
to the SIG there is a choice of who participates - meaning either all
organisations participate, or only those who are interested. We also
need to keep in mind that the grant application closes on the 15th May,
so we need to act quickly if we want to use this opportunity.
The call for proposals will be extended untill May 29, so we have a bit
more time, but we still need to work on this.
Regarding the "transnationality" of the proposal, I think that
presenting a proposal that is signed by every organization that is part
of the CNSIG will send a very strong signal regarding our will to
collaborate in our path forward.
In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I think if we
had the means to spend time in understanding each other's organisations
and our practices better we would learn a lot. I mean a more long term,
funded exchange, where maybe we can visit each other and learn on site.
I have spoken to many of you and each time I learn something new and
applicable to solve an issue we have. These conversations however are
usually rushed, over email or over coffee at a Summit. I think we could
propose an exchange program between CNs, and then highlight a few key
issues (I propose one below) that we can address and create some sort of
outcome with (Best practices?Golden tips?Benefits of CNs?).
I completely
agree that this is crucial, and most of all at this time
when we are just trying to get this group to open it's wings :)
I'd say we can propose to have a global Community Networks Summit
which can:
- be hosted in a location in the global South
- have a duration of at least 5 days
- be organized with no waste of resources (no hotels, restaurants, etc.)
Many of our members are also APC members so they could apply for METF
funding to cover their flight costs and that would add to the BTN's 30K
budget.
A specific offer I'd like to mention: here in Quintana we have a bing
boarding school which has room/lodging for about 100 children that live
there during the school year and then it's empty during our summer. The
school is part of QuintanaLibre and the school principal, who is also
personally a member, has already agreed to offer the school for
community network related events during the summer. Accomodation and
food (in the school's diner, would be very affordable.
So... those are some ideas :) of course nothing's set in stone! just
sharing...
Sol, should we do a poll to pick a date and do a Mumble meeting to
brainstorm and begin preparing a project?
Cheers!
Nico
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7:22 a.m.
I'm catching up too.
Yes Nico, we've being talking a lot about a Latin American meeting. It is
urgent!
Quintana seems the perfect place, with a long history in CNing and good
infrastructure.
But let me understand - if we can't use the big slot for the global
meeting, then we have to find a new project, right? And perhaps think of
something for the small grant too?
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>
wrote:
OK, I've been doing some inquiries to avoid
working in vane and it turns
out that BTN money cannot be used for events like the one we are
planning to organize.
But it's not bad news really... Christian O'Flaherty (ISOC) just told me
that ISOC can support a regional meeting in Latin America this year,
outside of the BTN program, with ISOC budget and then during 2019 ISOC
can support a global summit.
This means that we wouldn't be competing for budget, but we would need
to agree with ISOC on the planning of the event. Christian told me they
would like to invite Government, regulators, private companies, etc...
to which I answered that my impression is that we CNSIG would like to
have a meeting that is more work-centered, but it would be great to host
a 1 day event (maybe the last day of the summit) where we can receive
all these stakeholders and invite the general public too.
Let me know what you all think of this developments...
And this also means that we need to think of other projects to present
for a large and medium BTN grant this year from the CNSIG.
Cheers,
Nico
On 05/05/2018 06:09 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
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Hi all, this sounds great.. I've written on
Panos' pad
(https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net). On another hand I
think we should aim to_finalise our scope _by end of next week. Ill send
out a doodle for meeting times.
Thanks peeps
Sol
*
*
2018-05-05 7:25 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net
<mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>>:
On 05/03/2018 09:15 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity and I
agree
> with your framework. Also related, Nico
E and I had a meeting with
two
> of the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in
ISOC - Kyle and Christine.
> Summarising and answering some of the queries posed by Nico P;
they said
that each
Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants.
Kyle from ISOC has confirmed that only one slot (big grant) will be
assigned to the SIG. So I think we must decide for what's our project
with most potential impact and just present that one.
He mentioned that we could also get one small grant slot, so maybe we
can think about something for that too.
> What I understood
> is that SIGs are considered global groups and therefore projects > deal with transnational/ transregional
issues (where Chapter have
more
> regional focus). They also mentioned
that while the grants are
awarded
> to the SIG there is a choice of who
participates - meaning either
all
> organisations participate, or only those
who are interested. We
also
> need to keep in mind that the grant
application closes on the 15th
May,
so we
need to act quickly if we want to use this opportunity.
The call for proposals will be extended untill May 29, so we have a more time, but we still need to work on
this.
Regarding the "transnationality" of the proposal, I think that
presenting a proposal that is signed by every organization that is
part
of the CNSIG will send a very strong signal
regarding our will to
collaborate in our path forward.
> In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
> 1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I think
if we
> had the means to spend time in
understanding each other's
organisations
> and our practices better we would learn
a lot. I mean a more long
term,
> funded exchange, where maybe we can
visit each other and learn on
site.
> I have spoken to many of you and each
time I learn something new
and
> applicable to solve an issue we have.
These conversations however
are
> usually rushed, over email or over
coffee at a Summit. I think we
could
> propose an exchange program between CNs,
and then highlight a few
key
> issues (I propose one below) that we can
address and create some
sort of
outcome
with (Best practices?Golden tips?Benefits of CNs?).
I completely agree that
this is crucial, and most of all at this time
when we are just trying to get this group to open it's wings :)
I'd say we can propose to have a global Community Networks Summit
which can:
- be hosted in a location in the global South
- have a duration of at least 5 days
- be organized with no waste of resources (no hotels, restaurants,
Many of our members are also APC members so they could apply for METF
funding to cover their flight costs and that would add to the BTN's
30K
budget.
A specific offer I'd like to mention: here in Quintana we have a bing
boarding school which has room/lodging for about 100 children that
live
there during the school year and then
it's empty during our summer.
The
school is part of QuintanaLibre and the
school principal, who is also
personally a member, has already agreed to offer the school for
community network related events during the summer. Accomodation and
food (in the school's diner, would be very affordable.
So... those are some ideas :) of course nothing's set in stone! just
sharing...
Sol, should we do a poll to pick a date and do a Mumble meeting to
brainstorm and begin preparing a project?
Cheers!
Nico
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10 May
12:38 a.m.
On 05/09/2018 04:22 AM, bruno vianna wrote:
I'm catching up too.
Yes Nico, we've being talking a lot about a Latin American meeting. It
is urgent!
Quintana seems the perfect place, with a long history in CNing and good
infrastructure.
Let's talk about this in another thread, now that we know this cannot be
organized through a BTN project.
But let me understand - if we can't use the big
slot for the global
meeting, then we have to find a new project, right? And perhaps think of
something for the small grant too?
Yes, I have confirmed that we cannot propose for BTN projects that need
to spend most of their budget in travel expenses.
We can still keep sharing our ideas regarding inter-community exchanges
and regional and global meetings, but for the present BTN cycle we need
to find a new project, or one for large grant and one for medium (30K
and 10K respectively).
We have been talking a bit about this in the LibreMesh/LibreRouter
community and we could make a grant proposal in the line of continuing
development of both the software and hardware components. Many CNSIG
communities are using or planning to use these technologies and we could
collectively decide what's are our collective needs in this regard, but
I personally do not want to impose a project.
Kyle (ISOC) did mention that technology development projects fit well in
the BTN for SIGs, as long as their impact extends to more than one
country/region.
I propose that we share some ideas on projects we could present from the
SIG and then choose one for each type of grant.
So, in line with what I just mentioned, my first proposal for
consideration is:
* LibreRouter phase 2
... let's populate a list of ideas? We can then either discuss here or
do a Mumble meeting to evaluate possibilities. We need to do this soon.
Cheers!
Nico
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Nicolás Echániz
<nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net <mailto:nicoechaniz@altermundi.net>> wrote:
OK, I've been doing some inquiries to avoid working in vane and it turns
out that BTN money cannot be used for events like the one we are
planning to organize.
But it's not bad news really... Christian O'Flaherty (ISOC) just told me
that ISOC can support a regional meeting in Latin America this year,
outside of the BTN program, with ISOC budget and then during 2019 ISOC
can support a global summit.
This means that we wouldn't be competing for budget, but we would need
to agree with ISOC on the planning of the event. Christian told me they
would like to invite Government, regulators, private companies, etc...
to which I answered that my impression is that we CNSIG would like to
have a meeting that is more work-centered, but it would be great to host
a 1 day event (maybe the last day of the summit) where we can receive
all these stakeholders and invite the general public too.
Let me know what you all think of this developments...
And this also means that we need to think of other projects to present
for a large and medium BTN grant this year from the CNSIG.
Cheers,
Nico
On 05/05/2018 06:09 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
will be
have a bit
this time
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Hi all, this sounds great.. I've written on
Panos' pad
(https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_beyond-the-net>). On another hand I
think we should aim to_finalise our scope _by end
of next week.
Ill send
out a doodle for meeting times.
Thanks peeps
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2018-05-05 7:25 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net
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On 05/03/2018 09:15 AM, Sol Luca de Tena wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks Nico P for this. I agree this is a great opportunity
and I
agree
> with your framework. Also related, Nico
E and I had a
meeting with two
> of the coordinators of Chapters/SIGs in
ISOC - Kyle and
Christine.
> Summarising and answering some of the
queries posed by Nico
P; they said
that each
Chapter/SIG could receive 1, maybe 2 grants.
Kyle from ISOC has confirmed that only one slot (big grant) assigned to the SIG. So I think we must
decide for what's our
project
with most potential impact and just present
that one.
He mentioned that we could also get one small grant slot, so
maybe we
can think about something for that too.
> What I understood
> is that SIGs are considered global groups and therefore
projects
should
> deal with transnational/ transregional
issues (where Chapter
have more
> regional focus). They also mentioned
that while the grants
are awarded
> to the SIG there is a choice of who
participates - meaning
either all
> organisations participate, or only those
who are interested.
We also
> need to keep in mind that the grant
application closes on
the 15th May,
so we
need to act quickly if we want to use this opportunity.
The call for proposals will be extended untill May 29, so we more time, but we still need to work on
this.
Regarding the "transnationality" of the proposal, I think that
presenting a proposal that is signed by every organization
that is part
of the CNSIG will send a very strong signal
regarding our will to
collaborate in our path forward.
> In terms of topics, two ideas from my side.
> 1) I think 'exchange of experience' is highly under rated. I
think if we
> had the means to spend time in
understanding each other's
organisations
> and our practices better we would learn
a lot. I mean a more
long term,
> funded exchange, where maybe we can
visit each other and
learn on site.
> I have spoken to many of you and each
time I learn something
new and
> applicable to solve an issue we have.
These conversations
however are
> usually rushed, over email or over
coffee at a Summit. I
think we could
> propose an exchange program between CNs,
and then highlight
a few key
> issues (I propose one below) that we can
address and create
some sort of
outcome
with (Best practices?Golden tips?Benefits of CNs?).
I completely agree that
this is crucial, and most of all at when we are just trying to get this group to
open it's wings :)
I'd say we can propose to have a global Community Networks Summit
which can:
- be hosted in a location in the global South
- have a duration of at least 5 days
- be organized with no waste of resources (no hotels,
restaurants, etc.)
Many of our members are also APC members so they could apply
for METF
funding to cover their flight costs and that
would add to the
BTN's 30K
budget.
A specific offer I'd like to mention: here in Quintana we have
a
bing
boarding school which has room/lodging for
about 100 children
that live
there during the school year and then
it's empty during our
summer. The
school is part of QuintanaLibre and the
school principal, who
is also
personally a member, has already agreed to
offer the school for
community network related events during the summer.
Accomodation and
food (in the school's diner, would be
very affordable.
So... those are some ideas :) of course nothing's set in
stone!
just
sharing...
Sol, should we do a poll to pick a date and do a Mumble meeting to
brainstorm and begin preparing a project?
Cheers!
Nico
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9:45 a.m.
We have been talking a bit about this in the LibreMesh/LibreRouter
community and we could make a grant proposal in the line of continuing
development of both the software and hardware components. Many CNSIG
communities are using or planning to use these technologies and we could
collectively decide what's are our collective needs in this regard, but
I personally do not want to impose a project.
There is no question that continuing LibreRouter is crucial for all
community networks and it is an excellent option.
I'm gonna ask around for other ideas, but from the top of my mind here are
two other things:
- Besides firmware and hardware we also have to think of applications for
CNs. The captive portal/voucher for libremesh is urgent (although doesn't
seem much effort and apparently should done soon). But I believe there
should be a call or direct development of applications, specially for
mobile phones, that take advantage of local networks and make them
attractive. Local social networks, file sharing, radio etc, moving from a
server-centric approach to a direct, local, peer-to-peer, with users in the
hundreds.
- An open call for funding community networks in developing countries.
Personally, what finally got me into building CNs was the Commotion call 4
years ago, and I see the same process happening with other
people/communities after the call we made in Brazil.
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2:33 p.m.
Hi all,
Perhaps you have heard already the good news that there is a deadline
extension for this call until May 29.
I support the idea to apply for the continuation of the LibreRouter as
CNSIG's application for the "large" grant.
And I would also support, and could contribute for the writing of the
proposal, for a small grant on local applications and/or captive portal
functionality.
Carlos and NicoP had mentioned a "libreserver" project that if I
understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of the
librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or docker
image compatible with better hardware).
Since the grant is small it could just involve the assessment of
existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the MAZI
toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other "meta"
platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
improved multi-lingual documentation.
And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to do
exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project that builds
on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their sustainability
(those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
"librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
Best,
Panos.
On 10.05.2018 11:45, bruno vianna wrote:
We have been talking a bit about this in the LibreMesh/LibreRouter
community and we could make a grant proposal in the line of continuing
development of both the software and hardware components. Many CNSIG
communities are using or planning to use these technologies and we
could
collectively decide what's are our collective needs in this
regard, but
I personally do not want to impose a project.
There is no question that continuing LibreRouter is crucial for all
community networks and it is an excellent option.
I'm gonna ask around for other ideas, but from the top of my mind here
are two other things:
- Besides firmware and hardware we also have to think of applications
for CNs. The captive portal/voucher for libremesh is urgent (although
doesn't seem much effort and apparently should done soon). But I
believe there should be a call or direct development of applications,
specially for mobile phones, that take advantage of local networks and
make them attractive. Local social networks, file sharing, radio etc,
moving from a server-centric approach to a direct, local,
peer-to-peer, with users in the hundreds.
- An open call for funding community networks in developing countries.
Personally, what finally got me into building CNs was the Commotion
call 4 years ago, and I see the same process happening with other
people/communities after the call we made in Brazil.
Bruno
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7:41 p.m.
New subject: [CNSIG-Council] Community Network workshop from ISOC CN chair
Hi,
Wanted to let you know that Sebastian Bellagamba, CN Chair (don't know
his exact responsability), will be giving a talk this week:
2. Redes Comunitarias:
Impartido por Sebastián Bellagamba, Director Regional LAC
a. Spanish Session: 16th may, 18 UTC, link:
https://isoc.zoom.us/j/356349764
b. English Session: 16th may, 20 UTC, link:
https://isoc.zoom.us/j/884482566
Regards,
11:53 p.m.
Hi Panos and all,
On 05/11/2018 11:33 AM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Perhaps you have heard already the good news that
there is a deadline
extension for this call until May 29.
yep, it's confirmed now. We still need to focus on creating the
proposals ASAP :)
I support the idea to apply for the continuation of
the LibreRouter as
CNSIG's application for the "large" grant.
And I would also support, and could contribute for the writing of the
proposal, for a small grant on local applications and/or captive portal
functionality.
I believe the captive portal functionality could be directly connected
to the LibreRouter/LibreMesh phase 2... there are ongoing efforts in
that direction which could use some funding to get to a good result.
But regarding other "local applitcations" I fully agree that we could
focus efforts and funds to that.
Carlos and NicoP had mentioned a
"libreserver" project that if I
understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of the
librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or docker
image compatible with better hardware).
Since the grant is small
From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a small (3.5K
grant). We could apply for the medium one.
it could just involve the assessment of
existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the MAZI
toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other "meta"
platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
improved multi-lingual documentation.
And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to do
exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project that builds
on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their sustainability
(those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
"librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project during
the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in the same
location or not anymore, but it seems like a good opportunity to talk
about it.
AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you are proposing: to do
an assessment of existing similar solutions in an organized manner. I
haven't seen the results of his investigation on this matter, but it
should be the natural starting point. Also AFAIK the budget for that
project is considered on-hold too... so that could also be used to bump
this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad too much on
his own and that led to the project goals not being met.
Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all Cloudy
is a guifi.net initiative and well you are part of the MAZI project,
right? so... LibreServer + MAZI + Cloudy might be an interesting merge
of efforts which the CNSIG could spearhead if we can muster the will to
do it :)
Cheers!
Nico
14 May
14 May
2:28 p.m.
Hi Nico and all,
On 14.05.2018 01:53, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
OK for me! Just to make it clear, for
now NetHood doesn't need funding
and I would be willing to help another CNSIG member to write a good
application on this topic (for us it would be already a success if we
manage to support a complementary to our running projects effort at a
global scale).
Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG
panel (and I
spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and then he
disappeared again :-)
Whoever is interested on putting together an application on this topic,
please contact me to organize a short meeting to see which are the
options we have.
Carlos and
NicoP had mentioned a "libreserver" project that if I
understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of the
librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or docker
image compatible with better hardware).
Since the grant is small
From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand)
and a small (3.5K
grant). We could apply for the medium one. it could just
involve the assessment of
existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the MAZI
toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other "meta"
platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
improved multi-lingual documentation.
And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to do
exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project that builds
on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their sustainability
(those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
"librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
Coenraad was the
person in charge of the LibreServer side-project during
the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in the same
location or not anymore, but it seems like a good opportunity to talk
about it. AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you are
proposing: to do
an assessment of existing similar solutions in an organized manner. I
haven't seen the results of his investigation on this matter, but it
should be the natural starting point. Also AFAIK the budget for that
project is considered on-hold too... so that could also be used to bump
this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad too much on
his own and that led to the project goals not being met.
Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all Cloudy
is a guifi.net initiative and well you are part of the MAZI project,
right? so... LibreServer + MAZI + Cloudy might be an interesting merge
of efforts which the CNSIG could spearhead if we can muster the will to
I agree!
do it :)
So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons, yunohost,
framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs package"
optimized for the librerouter setup?
Cheers!
Nico
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I agree on candidating LibreRouter for the big grant, moreover i think we
should add something like "Distributed Culture Repository Phase 2" to the
community network friendly application cocktail
Cheers!
Gio
On Monday, 14 May 2018 16:28:40 CEST panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Hi Nico and all,
On 14.05.2018 01:53, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
OK for me! Just to make it clear, for now NetHood doesn't need funding
and I would be willing to help another CNSIG member to write a good
application on this topic (for us it would be already a success if we
manage to support a complementary to our running projects effort at a
global scale).
Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG panel (and I
spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and then he
disappeared again :-)
Whoever is interested on putting together an application on this topic,
please contact me to organize a short meeting to see which are the
options we have.
Carlos
and NicoP had mentioned a "libreserver" project that if I
understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of the
librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or docker
image compatible with better hardware).
Since the grant is small
From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a small (3.5K
grant). We could apply for the medium one. it could
just involve the assessment of
existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the MAZI
toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other "meta"
platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
improved multi-lingual documentation.
And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to do
exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project that builds
on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their sustainability
(those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
"librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project during
the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in the same
location or not anymore, but it seems like a good opportunity to talk
about it. AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you
are proposing: to do
an assessment of existing similar solutions in an organized manner. I
haven't seen the results of his investigation on this matter, but it
should be the natural starting point. Also AFAIK the budget for that
project is considered on-hold too... so that could also be used to bump
this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad too much on
his own and that led to the project goals not being met.
Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all Cloudy
is a guifi.net initiative and well you are part of the MAZI project,
right? so... LibreServer + MAZI + Cloudy might be an interesting merge
of efforts which the CNSIG could spearhead if we can muster the will to
I agree!
do it :)
So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons, yunohost,
framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs package"
optimized for the librerouter setup?
Cheers!
Nico
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12:43 a.m.
I have copied the BtN form to these pads:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_large
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_medium
I still think we can receive more oppinions regarding ideas before
commiting.
Sol, maybe you can share a bit more about the inter-communities exchange
idea. I believe that it can have great impact, but we would need to
frame it so that the budget is not mainly used for flights. Maybe it can
be complemented by other budget sources and we can apply for the medium
10K grant for this.
I have created the survey so we can choose a date for our meeting:
https://framadate.org/lDDpFkTAVhHqrul6
(same time as usual)
Please complete your date options ASAP.
I left one week until the call ends so we can have another meeting to
work on the actual project proposals.
Cheers!
Nico
On 05/14/2018 12:26 PM, Gio wrote:
I agree on candidating LibreRouter for the big grant,
moreover i think we
should add something like "Distributed Culture Repository Phase 2" to the
community network friendly application cocktail
Cheers!
Gio
On Monday, 14 May 2018 16:28:40 CEST panayotis antoniadis wrote:
Hi Nico and all,
On 14.05.2018 01:53, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
OK for me! Just to make it clear, for now NetHood doesn't need funding
and I would be willing to help another CNSIG member to write a good
application on this topic (for us it would be already a success if we
manage to support a complementary to our running projects effort at a
global scale).
Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG panel (and I
spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and then he
disappeared again :-)
Whoever is interested on putting together an application on this topic,
please contact me to organize a short meeting to see which are the
options we have.
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Carlos
and NicoP had mentioned a "libreserver" project that if I
understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of the
librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or docker
image compatible with better hardware).
Since the grant is small
From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a small (3.5K
grant). We could apply for the medium one. it could
just involve the assessment of
existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the MAZI
toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other "meta"
platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
improved multi-lingual documentation.
And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to do
exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project that builds
on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their sustainability
(those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
"librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project during
the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in the same
location or not anymore, but it seems like a good opportunity to talk
about it. AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you
are proposing: to do
an assessment of existing similar solutions in an organized manner. I
haven't seen the results of his investigation on this matter, but it
should be the natural starting point. Also AFAIK the budget for that
project is considered on-hold too... so that could also be used to bump
this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad too much on
his own and that led to the project goals not being met.
Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all Cloudy
is a guifi.net initiative and well you are part of the MAZI project,
right? so... LibreServer + MAZI + Cloudy might be an interesting merge
of efforts which the CNSIG could spearhead if we can muster the will to
I agree!
do it :)
So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons, yunohost,
framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs package"
optimized for the librerouter setup?
Cheers!
Nico
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Thanks Nico,
I also think it is still worth looking into an exchange project, and happy
for it to be a medium grant, maybe supported by APC travel funds. I need to
look at the grant docs in more detail but in my mind the objective is still
relevant - focused on advancing our collective knowledge and experience in
deploying CNs and increasing value for users/ participants. I think we need
to spend some time refining the product of this exchange, and make sure it
is "transferable" as per the grant requirements. I think a hand book of
sorts is more in line with this. One point I'd like to make is that I am
pretty snowed under at the moment and I cant lead this proposal, but very
happy to put in some quality time into it.
I have put my preference in the doodle. Let's define in the meeting who is
interested in what project, and if its two clear groups we can split up, if
its one we can stay together.
Cheers,
Sol
2018-05-15 2:43 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Echániz <nicoechaniz(a)altermundi.net>et>:
I have copied the BtN form to these pads:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_large
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_medium
I still think we can receive more oppinions regarding ideas before
commiting.
Sol, maybe you can share a bit more about the inter-communities exchange
idea. I believe that it can have great impact, but we would need to
frame it so that the budget is not mainly used for flights. Maybe it can
be complemented by other budget sources and we can apply for the medium
10K grant for this.
I have created the survey so we can choose a date for our meeting:
https://framadate.org/lDDpFkTAVhHqrul6
(same time as usual)
Please complete your date options ASAP.
I left one week until the call ends so we can have another meeting to
work on the actual project proposals.
Cheers!
Nico
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I agree on candidating LibreRouter for the big
grant, moreover i think
we
should add something like "Distributed
Culture Repository Phase 2" to
the
community network friendly application cocktail
Cheers!
Gio
On Monday, 14 May 2018 16:28:40 CEST panayotis antoniadis wrote:
> Hi Nico and all,
>
> On 14.05.2018 01:53, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>>> Carlos and NicoP had mentioned a "libreserver" project that if I
>>> understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of
the
>>> librerouter, a "mini
server" to run local and/or distributed
>>> applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or
docker
>>> image compatible with better
hardware).
>>>
>>> Since the grant is small
>>
>> From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a small (3.5K
>> grant). We could apply for the medium one.
>
> OK for me! Just to make it clear, for now NetHood doesn't need funding
> and I would be willing to help another CNSIG member to write a good
> application on this topic (for us it would be already a success if we
> manage to support a complementary to our running projects effort at a
> global scale).
>
>>> it could just involve the assessment of
>>> existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the
MAZI
>>> toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit,
yunohost, and other "meta"
>>> platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
>>> improved multi-lingual documentation.
>>>
>>> And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to
do
>>> exactly this, we could present it as
a complementary project that
builds
>>> on existing efforts at the EU level,
helping for their sustainability
>>> (those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
>>> "librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
>>
>> Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project
during
>> the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't
know of you are still in the same
>> location or not anymore, but it seems like a good opportunity to talk
>> about it.
>
> Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG panel (and I
> spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and then he
> disappeared again :-)
>
> Whoever is interested on putting together an application on this topic,
> please contact me to organize a short meeting to see which are the
> options we have.
>
>> AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you are proposing: to do
>> an assessment of existing similar solutions in an organized manner. I
>> haven't seen the results of his investigation on this matter, but it
>> should be the natural starting point. Also AFAIK the budget for that
>> project is considered on-hold too... so that could also be used to bump
>> this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad too much on
>> his own and that led to the project goals not being met.
>>
>> Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all
Cloudy
is a guifi.net initiative and well you are part of the
MAZI project,
right? so... LibreServer + MAZI + Cloudy might be an interesting merge
of efforts which the CNSIG could spearhead if we can muster the will to
I agree!
do it :)
So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons, yunohost,
framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs package"
optimized for the librerouter setup?
Cheers!
Nico
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6:56 a.m.
Hi Nico,
To the points that Sol had mentioned, I am very keen and interested in the
second point regarding sustainability and addressing the various issues
and challenges. I would like to propose that in addition to this, if we
can work on women in community networks and how they use the network
globally. This would be a very interesting study. Can we propose that?
How do we go about with SIG project with Global scope? Gram Marg is
interested. Gram Marg would be studying the Gender Impact assessment in
its own community led network. Technology challenges and developing
community technology could be something else that can be studied across
all community networks.
I can elaborate on it and discuss it with others as well.
Thanks
With regards,
Sarbani
I have copied the BtN form to these pads:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_large
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_medium
I still think we can receive more oppinions regarding ideas before
commiting.
Sol, maybe you can share a bit more about the inter-communities exchange
idea. I believe that it can have great impact, but we would need to
frame it so that the budget is not mainly used for flights. Maybe it can
be complemented by other budget sources and we can apply for the medium
10K grant for this.
I have created the survey so we can choose a date for our meeting:
https://framadate.org/lDDpFkTAVhHqrul6
(same time as usual)
Please complete your date options ASAP.
I left one week until the call ends so we can have another meeting to
work on the actual project proposals.
Cheers!
Nico
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I agree on candidating LibreRouter for the big
grant, moreover i think
we
should add something like "Distributed Culture Repository Phase 2" to
the
community network friendly application cocktail
Cheers!
Gio
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> Carlos and NicoP had mentioned a
"libreserver" project that if I
> understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
>
> Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of
> the
> librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
> applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or
> docker
> image compatible with better hardware).
>
> Since the grant is small
From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a small (3.5K
grant). We could apply for the medium one.
OK for me! Just to make it clear, for now NetHood doesn't need funding
and I would be willing to help another CNSIG member to write a good
application on this topic (for us it would be already a success if we
manage to support a complementary to our running projects effort at a
global scale).
> it could just involve the assessment of
> existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the
> MAZI
> toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other "meta"
> platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
> improved multi-lingual documentation.
>
> And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to
> do
> exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project that
> builds
> on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their sustainability
> (those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
> "librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project
during
the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in the same
location or not anymore, but it seems like a good opportunity to talk
about it.
Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG panel (and
I
spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and then he
disappeared again :-)
Whoever is interested on putting together an application on this topic,
please contact me to organize a short meeting to see which are the
options we have.
AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you
are proposing: to do
an assessment of existing similar solutions in an organized manner. I
haven't seen the results of his investigation on this matter, but it
should be the natural starting point. Also AFAIK the budget for that
project is considered on-hold too... so that could also be used to
bump
this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad too much on
his own and that led to the project goals not being met.
Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all
Cloudy
is a guifi.net initiative and well you are part of the MAZI project,
right? so... LibreServer + MAZI + Cloudy might be an interesting merge
of efforts which the CNSIG could spearhead if we can muster the will
to
I agree!
do it :)
So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons,
yunohost,
framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs package"
optimized for the librerouter setup?
Cheers!
Nico
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7:48 p.m.
Hey all
A few more cents on the discussion.
I think we should focus on building networks and the technology for them.
To be blunt, I support a fund for new networks with the 30k award and
funding for libre-ecosystem with the 10k.
Since I began working with CNs, it surprises me how much funding goes into
studies, publications, meetings, as compared to the community networks
themselves (and the tools they need). I suspect this could be related to
the fact that most networks in developed countries have the means to self
fund their equipment and volunteer time. But this strategy would have been
virtually impossible on the networks I have been involved. It is as if CNs
were expected to just sprout out the ground by themselves. At the same
time, Beyond the Net last year awarded 30k for the NYC mesh - which of
course is a fantastic project, doing very important experiments, but being
in NYC doesn't really do much to bridge the digital gap... Even in the
mozilla competition where Coolab and Gran Marg participated, a big award
went to an wifi project supported by ads. Which in my opinion could get
financing from a bank, as opposed to the isolated communities and open
hardware/software that should get more unrecoverable support.
Of course I'm all for a gathering and exchange of networks. But as far as I
know, ISOC is planning for a global meeting of CNs next year, so I think
this would be duplicating the activities (and a waste of the grant, since
ISOC will probably use other funds for it). Also Nico has checked the rules
before, and they won't support projects where most of the money goes to
travel expenses.
I do support strongly though, the idea that more CNs should be managed and
built by women. So I wonder if it would be a good idea to put funds for new
networks in the hands of the women in the communities. Perhaps an open call
for women-led CNs?
In any case I understand the value of all suggestions, and will support
whatever the consensus is.
Abraços
Bruno
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Sarbani Banerjee Belur <
sarbanibelur(a)iitb.ac.in> wrote:
Hi Nico,
To the points that Sol had mentioned, I am very keen and interested in the
second point regarding sustainability and addressing the various issues
and challenges. I would like to propose that in addition to this, if we
can work on women in community networks and how they use the network
globally. This would be a very interesting study. Can we propose that?
How do we go about with SIG project with Global scope? Gram Marg is
interested. Gram Marg would be studying the Gender Impact assessment in
its own community led network. Technology challenges and developing
community technology could be something else that can be studied across
all community networks.
I can elaborate on it and discuss it with others as well.
Thanks
With regards,
Sarbani
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https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_large
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_medium
I still think we can receive more oppinions regarding ideas before
commiting.
Sol, maybe you can share a bit more about the inter-communities exchange
idea. I believe that it can have great impact, but we would need to
frame it so that the budget is not mainly used for flights. Maybe it can
be complemented by other budget sources and we can apply for the medium
10K grant for this.
I have created the survey so we can choose a date for our meeting:
https://framadate.org/lDDpFkTAVhHqrul6
(same time as usual)
Please complete your date options ASAP.
I left one week until the call ends so we can have another meeting to
work on the actual project proposals.
Cheers!
Nico
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Department of Electrical Engineering
IIT Bombay
Powai
Mumbai 400076
Mob: +91 9867282979
+91 7045620077
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I agree on candidating LibreRouter for the big
grant, moreover i think
we
should add something like "Distributed Culture Repository Phase 2" to
the
community network friendly application cocktail
Cheers!
Gio
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On 14.05.2018 01:53, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>> Carlos and NicoP had mentioned a "libreserver" project that if I
>> understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
>>
>> Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of
>> the
>> librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
>> applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or
>> docker
>> image compatible with better hardware).
>>
>> Since the grant is small
>
> From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a small (3.5K
> grant). We could apply for the medium one.
OK for me! Just to make it clear, for now NetHood doesn't need funding
and I would be willing to help another CNSIG member to write a good
application on this topic (for us it would be already a success if we
manage to support a complementary to our running projects effort at a
global scale).
>> it could just involve the assessment of
>> existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the
>> MAZI
>> toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other "meta"
>> platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
>> improved multi-lingual documentation.
>>
>> And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to
>> do
>> exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project that
>> builds
>> on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their sustainability
>> (those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
>> "librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
>
> Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project
> during
> the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in the same
> location or not anymore, but it seems like a good opportunity to talk
> about it.
Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG panel (and
I
spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and then he
disappeared again :-)
Whoever is interested on putting together an application on this topic,
please contact me to organize a short meeting to see which are the
options we have.
> AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you are proposing: to do
> an assessment of existing similar solutions in an organized manner. I
> haven't seen the results of his investigation on this matter, but it
> should be the natural starting point. Also AFAIK the budget for that
> project is considered on-hold too... so that could also be used to
> bump
> this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad too much on
> his own and that led to the project goals not being met.
>
> Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all
> Cloudy
> is a guifi.net initiative and well you are part of the MAZI project,
> right? so... LibreServer + MAZI + Cloudy might be an interesting merge
> of efforts which the CNSIG could spearhead if we can muster the will
> to
I agree!
> do it :)
So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons,
yunohost,
framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs package"
optimized for the librerouter setup?
> Cheers!
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi all, and my apologies for not participating more actively in this
very interesting thread.
Following Bruno thoughts, and looking for building consensus:
I'm assuming that everyone of us is absolutely sure that any grant given
in the past, was very well deserved by whatever project that got it.
As much grants available in the future, better, but being pragmatic, our
intuition is that will be insufficient: Financing developments,
infrastructures or meetings it's always costly, but no doubt it's good
thing.
A few weeks ago and very inspired by all the experience that Flora from
QuintanaLibre was transmitting, came the idea that without quitting any
existing initiative, would be also useful to think how we can promote
the sharing of those experiences, while at the same time developing
relationships between the people from diverse communities, and not just
leaders, with rotation programs, things like that. That might also help
to stimulate and motivate all community members, as well to facilitate a
better gender participation, etc
IMHO that's makes sense as a complement of whatever is being already done-
r.
El 17/05/18 a les 21:48, bruno vianna ha escrit:
Hey all
A few more cents on the discussion.
I think we should focus on building networks and the technology for
them. To be blunt, I support a fund for new networks with the 30k
award and funding for libre-ecosystem with the 10k.
Since I began working with CNs, it surprises me how much funding goes
into studies, publications, meetings, as compared to the community
networks themselves (and the tools they need). I suspect this could be
related to the fact that most networks in developed countries have the
means to self fund their equipment and volunteer time. But this
strategy would have been virtually impossible on the networks I have
been involved. It is as if CNs were expected to just sprout out the
ground by themselves. At the same time, Beyond the Net last year
awarded 30k for the NYC mesh - which of course is a fantastic project,
doing very important experiments, but being in NYC doesn't really do
much to bridge the digital gap... Even in the mozilla competition
where Coolab and Gran Marg participated, a big award went to an wifi
project supported by ads. Which in my opinion could get financing from
a bank, as opposed to the isolated communities and open
hardware/software that should get more unrecoverable support.
Of course I'm all for a gathering and exchange of networks. But as far
as I know, ISOC is planning for a global meeting of CNs next year, so
I think this would be duplicating the activities (and a waste of the
grant, since ISOC will probably use other funds for it). Also Nico has
checked the rules before, and they won't support projects where most
of the money goes to travel expenses.
I do support strongly though, the idea that more CNs should be managed
and built by women. So I wonder if it would be a good idea to put
funds for new networks in the hands of the women in the communities.
Perhaps an open call for women-led CNs?
In any case I understand the value of all suggestions, and will
support whatever the consensus is.
Abraços
Bruno
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Sarbani Banerjee Belur
<sarbanibelur(a)iitb.ac.in <mailto:sarbanibelur@iitb.ac.in>> wrote:
Hi Nico,
To the points that Sol had mentioned, I am very keen and
interested in the
second point regarding sustainability and addressing the various
issues
and challenges. I would like to propose that in addition to this,
if we
can work on women in community networks and how they use the network
globally. This would be a very interesting study. Can we propose that?
How do we go about with SIG project with Global scope? Gram Marg is
interested. Gram Marg would be studying the Gender Impact
assessment in
its own community led network. Technology challenges and developing
community technology could be something else that can be studied
across
all community networks.
I can elaborate on it and discuss it with others as well.
Thanks
With regards,
Sarbani
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+91 7045620077
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<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_large>
<https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_medium>
I still think we can receive more oppinions regarding ideas before
commiting.
Sol, maybe you can share a bit more about the inter-communities
exchange
idea. I believe that it can have great impact,
but we would need to
frame it so that the budget is not mainly used for flights.
Maybe it can
be complemented by other budget sources and we
can apply for the
medium
10K grant for this.
I have created the survey so we can choose a date for our meeting:
https://framadate.org/lDDpFkTAVhHqrul6
<https://framadate.org/lDDpFkTAVhHqrul6>
(same time as usual)
Please complete your date options ASAP.
I left one week until the call ends so we can have another
meeting to
work on the actual project proposals.
Cheers!
Nico
On 05/14/2018 12:26 PM, Gio wrote:
> I agree on candidating LibreRouter for the big grant, moreover
i think
> we
> should add something like "Distributed Culture Repository Phase
2" to
> the
> community network friendly application cocktail
>
> Cheers!
> Gio
>
> On Monday, 14 May 2018 16:28:40 CEST panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>> Hi Nico and all,
>>
>> On 14.05.2018 01:53, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>>>> Carlos and NicoP had mentioned a "libreserver" project that if
I
>>>> understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional
complement of
>>>> the
>>>> librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
>>>> applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or
>>>> docker
>>>> image compatible with better hardware).
>>>>
>>>> Since the grant is small
>>>
>>> From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a
small (3.5K
>>> grant). We could apply for the medium
one.
>>
>> OK for me! Just to make it clear, for now NetHood doesn't need
funding
>> and I would be willing to help another
CNSIG member to write a
good
>> application on this topic (for us it
would be already a
success if we
>> manage to support a complementary to our
running projects
effort at a
>> global scale).
>>
>>>> it could just involve the assessment of
>>>> existing solutions, guifi's cloudy,
https://cloudy.community/, the
>>>> MAZI
>>>> toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other
"meta"
>>>> platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package"
with
>>>> improved multi-lingual
documentation.
>>>>
>>>> And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already
funding to
>>>> do
>>>> exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project
that
>>>> builds
>>>> on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their
sustainability
>>>> (those project finish at the end
of 2018) and adoption,
through the
>>>> "librerouter" package.
Or something like this :-)
>>>
>>> Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project
>>> during
>>> the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in
the same
>>> location or not anymore, but it seems
like a good opportunity
to talk
>>> about it.
>>
>> Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG
panel (and
>> I
>> spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and
then he
>> disappeared again :-)
>>
>> Whoever is interested on putting together an application on
this
topic,
>> please contact me to organize a short
meeting to see which are the
>> options we have.
>>
>>> AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you are
proposing:
to do
>>> an assessment of existing similar
solutions in an organized
manner. I
>>> haven't seen the results of his
investigation on this matter,
but it
>>> should be the natural starting point.
Also AFAIK the budget
for that
>>> project is considered on-hold too...
so that could also be
used to
>>> bump
>>> this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad
too
much on
>>> his own and that led to the project
goals not being met.
>>>
>>> Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all
>>> Cloudy
>>> is a guifi.net <http://guifi.net> initiative and well you are
part of the MAZI project,
>>> right? so... LibreServer + MAZI +
Cloudy might be an
interesting merge
>>> of efforts which the CNSIG could
spearhead if we can muster
the will
>>> to
>>
>> I agree!
>>
>>> do it :)
>>
>> So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
>> objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons,
>> yunohost,
>> framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs
package"
>> optimized for the librerouter setup?
>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Nico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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21 May
2:28 p.m.
On 05/17/2018 04:48 PM, bruno vianna wrote:
Hey all
A few more cents on the discussion.
I think we should focus on building networks and the technology for
them. To be blunt, I support a fund for new networks with the 30k award
and funding for libre-ecosystem with the 10k.
I like this idea and we could still go for a large grant for the
LibreRouter ecosystem through the argentine chapter; the only thing that
worries me is that this is very similar to the project you already
presented to FRIDA, right? And the FRIDA and BtN officials are in
constant communication/coordination... so I find it difficult that the
proposal would be accepted by both.
I do support strongly though, the idea that more CNs
should be managed
and built by women. So I wonder if it would be a good idea to put funds
for new networks in the hands of the women in the communities. Perhaps
an open call for women-led CNs?
This has been done with microcredit and other initiatives with good results.
In any case I understand the value of all suggestions,
and will support
whatever the consensus is.
Cheers,
Nico
2:11 p.m.
Hi all,
I was checking our poll to decide on the meeting date:
https://framadate.org/lDDpFkTAVhHqrul6
Many who participated in this thread haven't completed there prefered
date, but we are running out of time... so, according to the existing
votes, we could meet either today or tomorrow at 15:00UTC
Let's set it for tomorrow, so we don't need to rush today.
I'll send another e-mail for the meeting.
Cheers!
Nico
On 05/14/2018 09:43 PM, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
I have copied the BtN form to these pads:
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_large
https://pad.codigosur.org/CNSIG_BeyondTheNet_2018_medium
I still think we can receive more oppinions regarding ideas before
commiting.
Sol, maybe you can share a bit more about the inter-communities exchange
idea. I believe that it can have great impact, but we would need to
frame it so that the budget is not mainly used for flights. Maybe it can
be complemented by other budget sources and we can apply for the medium
10K grant for this.
I have created the survey so we can choose a date for our meeting:
https://framadate.org/lDDpFkTAVhHqrul6
(same time as usual)
Please complete your date options ASAP.
I left one week until the call ends so we can have another meeting to
work on the actual project proposals.
Cheers!
Nico
On 05/14/2018 12:26 PM, Gio wrote:
I agree on candidating LibreRouter for the big
grant, moreover i think we
should add something like "Distributed Culture Repository Phase 2" to the
community network friendly application cocktail
Cheers!
Gio
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> Carlos and NicoP had mentioned a
"libreserver" project that if I
> understood correctly has been somehow put on hold.
>
> Perhaps it could be now revived to develop an optional complement of the
> librerouter, a "mini server" to run local and/or distributed
> applications (it could be in the simplest case a raspberry Pi or docker
> image compatible with better hardware).
>
> Since the grant is small
From what I understand, there's a medium (10K grand) and a small (3.5K
grant). We could apply for the medium one.
OK for me! Just to make it clear, for now NetHood doesn't need funding
and I would be willing to help another CNSIG member to write a good
application on this topic (for us it would be already a success if we
manage to support a complementary to our running projects effort at a
global scale).
> it could just involve the assessment of
> existing solutions, guifi's cloudy, https://cloudy.community/, the MAZI
> toolkit, http://mazizone.eu/toolkit, yunohost, and other "meta"
> platforms and put together some of these in a nice "package" with
> improved multi-lingual documentation.
>
> And since the netCommons and MAZI EU projects have already funding to do
> exactly this, we could present it as a complementary project that builds
> on existing efforts at the EU level, helping for their sustainability
> (those project finish at the end of 2018) and adoption, through the
> "librerouter" package. Or something like this :-)
Coenraad was the person in charge of the LibreServer side-project during
the first LibreRouter cycle. I don't know of you are still in the same
location or not anymore, but it seems like a good opportunity to talk
about it.
Coenraad appeared as a "ghost" on the etherpad of our CNSIG panel (and I
spotted him in the audience) but didn't see him afterwards and then he
disappeared again :-)
Whoever is interested on putting together an application on this topic,
please contact me to organize a short meeting to see which are the
options we have.
AFAIK, what he was able to do is exactly what you
are proposing: to do
an assessment of existing similar solutions in an organized manner. I
haven't seen the results of his investigation on this matter, but it
should be the natural starting point. Also AFAIK the budget for that
project is considered on-hold too... so that could also be used to bump
this project if correctly managed. I feel we left Coenraad too much on
his own and that led to the project goals not being met.
Maybe joining efforts here can lead to a better result, after all Cloudy
is a guifi.net initiative and well you are part of the MAZI project,
right? so... LibreServer + MAZI + Cloudy might be an interesting merge
of efforts which the CNSIG could spearhead if we can muster the will to
I agree!
do it :)
So, anyone interested to reboot the Libreserver project with the
objective to bring together current efforts (MAZI, netCommons, yunohost,
framasoft, etc.) toward an easy to install "local app for CNs package"
optimized for the librerouter setup?
Cheers!
Nico
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Sol Luca de Tena -
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